Exactly, they can very easily make you click through the ads to get to any of the content. I don't know how an ad blocker can stop that. But it could spark a noticeable revolt. Wait and see...
Ah, there's the crux of your argument! It seems that you don't consider design or engineering to be actual work.
Didn't even imply that. Design and engineering is under consignment or work for hire for the most part. I said collecting the rent for every "performance" or instance, every stamped out plastic replica (maybe I didn't explicitly spell that part out, as it seemed obvious) is not actual work, especially when it has been extended to the indefinite time, and ownership is transferable. If it were reigned in back to its original duration and made non transferable, my attitude on it would be significantly moderated (mellowed?).
There was no concern for authors, who usually were removed from their works entirely
Forgive me for having no sense of timing, but I did mention that, just not necessarily in the correct chronological order.
These laws, however, have no relationship to modern copyright laws
This is where you and I might really differ. I am perfectly aware of copyright's original purpose of censorship, if for no other reason than it still exists to serve that same purpose today, this law being a pretty good example. The publishing industry was (and in the case of mass media still is) almost a governmental agency (or vice versa, the government exists to enforce industry rules, under the guise of law). But to sell copyright to the public in modern times, it was the industry that created the noble spin that even made it into the US Constitution. It is they who want it extended generation after generation, and the government serves them.
Which brings me back to my original sentiment of *screw them*. I will print and use whatever my printer can print. And I hope the public will make enough noise to protect their right to do the same for themselves. Unfortunately, I don't see that happening in my lifetime. So, I have one more reason not to ever invite the cops into my house, lest they think that everything but my stash is a violation of copyright and place me under arrest.
Bonus car analogy: And you know where else this absurd law will be applied? Car parts, like tail light covers and other interior/exterior plastic bits. The auto industry wants to sell those things at grossly inflated prices, and if we can print out own, that's a big chunk of business down the drain.
Really? And here I was thinking it goes a bit farther back. Feel free to confirm that if you think it matters. It seemed appropriately applied to the person I was speaking of. And the "scholarly debate" immediately became a troll fest right afterwards anyway. So the universe remains in balance.
The craftsmen are the designers. And besides, designers can be and frequently are paid on consignment. The days of artist as king and their rent collecting are over. They can get paid for working, just like I do. And another thing, copyright wasn't even created to protect the artist/creator. The was a time when they were not even considered in the law. It was made to protect the distribution/publishing industry, to whom the artist/creator had to give up all his rights. I will grant you are making a fine 570 year old argument for the old writers guild against Gutenberg's printing press.
They will get paid for their craftsmanship that can't be duplicated by a 3D printer. There are millions of copies of the Mona Lisa out there. Is the original any less valuable for it? I have a friend who paints on canvas. His customers don't want a copy coming out of a LaserJet. They want his work. Yet he does sell them that way also for considerably less, but on nice paper.
This law is for the rent collectors, not the creators.
I don't want to spend it defending myself against capricious law and frivolous lawsuits when I could be sitting on my front porch gulping a cold one while watching my 3D printer make a fine Interni sofa and a real replica Jacuzzi... But hell, now I'll probably get sued by the water bottling companies for using their plastic for printer filament!
Sorry, this is rent seeking, nothing more. Most people will make furniture that is comfortable for them. And now, if it just happens to like some commercial design, it is prohibited. It's bullshit. It's real intent is obvious, but it will be a long time before this wall gets knocked down.
The new ministry of silly copyrights will be sending SWAT teams to conduct random house to house searches for violators. And the BBC vans will be modified to detect 3D printers. Only terrorists seek self sufficiency.
To no one's surprise this had to happen. Business is business. And that is who we let the government serve, so let's not go around blaming anybody else.
Sorry, they aren't the only ones to set the rules. If I purchased the content, say through Netflix, and they refuse to deliver because of my location, I will take the right to access it as I please. If I bought a VHS, I won't let them charge me again for the DVD when I can download and record my own. I am entitled to the things I purchased.
As for the rest of your troll charade, it doesn't apply, and I'm not playing.
:-) Very interesting.. Back from weekend therapy are we? You sure have built a very powerful distortion field around yourself. Must be part of that desire of yours to feel all superior 'n stuff, but all you reveal is insecurity with your "ire". You know, I really can't quite figure out whether you do it intentionally or if it's just automatic, whether you actually believe your misrepresentations. I feel safer believing you're just dicking around. The grief you express in your posts is all yours. I feel absolutely none of it.
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At least three times in the last month, I've been replying to a comment before realizing it was you I was dealing with.
You're not that special. But whatever keeps you warm at night.
Be sure to keep your score card up to date. You can pick up more at the pro-shop.
Exactly, they can very easily make you click through the ads to get to any of the content. I don't know how an ad blocker can stop that. But it could spark a noticeable revolt. Wait and see...
Ah, there's the crux of your argument! It seems that you don't consider design or engineering to be actual work.
Didn't even imply that. Design and engineering is under consignment or work for hire for the most part. I said collecting the rent for every "performance" or instance, every stamped out plastic replica (maybe I didn't explicitly spell that part out, as it seemed obvious) is not actual work, especially when it has been extended to the indefinite time, and ownership is transferable. If it were reigned in back to its original duration and made non transferable, my attitude on it would be significantly moderated (mellowed?).
There was no concern for authors, who usually were removed from their works entirely
Forgive me for having no sense of timing, but I did mention that, just not necessarily in the correct chronological order.
These laws, however, have no relationship to modern copyright laws
This is where you and I might really differ. I am perfectly aware of copyright's original purpose of censorship, if for no other reason than it still exists to serve that same purpose today, this law being a pretty good example. The publishing industry was (and in the case of mass media still is) almost a governmental agency (or vice versa, the government exists to enforce industry rules, under the guise of law). But to sell copyright to the public in modern times, it was the industry that created the noble spin that even made it into the US Constitution. It is they who want it extended generation after generation, and the government serves them.
Which brings me back to my original sentiment of *screw them*. I will print and use whatever my printer can print. And I hope the public will make enough noise to protect their right to do the same for themselves. Unfortunately, I don't see that happening in my lifetime. So, I have one more reason not to ever invite the cops into my house, lest they think that everything but my stash is a violation of copyright and place me under arrest.
Bonus car analogy:
And you know where else this absurd law will be applied? Car parts, like tail light covers and other interior/exterior plastic bits. The auto industry wants to sell those things at grossly inflated prices, and if we can print out own, that's a big chunk of business down the drain.
The person quoting that was Ricky Bobby's dad.
Really? And here I was thinking it goes a bit farther back. Feel free to confirm that if you think it matters. It seemed appropriately applied to the person I was speaking of. And the "scholarly debate" immediately became a troll fest right afterwards anyway. So the universe remains in balance.
The craftsmen are the designers. And besides, designers can be and frequently are paid on consignment. The days of artist as king and their rent collecting are over. They can get paid for working, just like I do. And another thing, copyright wasn't even created to protect the artist/creator. The was a time when they were not even considered in the law. It was made to protect the distribution/publishing industry, to whom the artist/creator had to give up all his rights. I will grant you are making a fine 570 year old argument for the old writers guild against Gutenberg's printing press.
There you go again
Physically connected data would ensure creation privacy.
Nothing is safe
They will get paid for their craftsmanship that can't be duplicated by a 3D printer. There are millions of copies of the Mona Lisa out there. Is the original any less valuable for it? I have a friend who paints on canvas. His customers don't want a copy coming out of a LaserJet. They want his work. Yet he does sell them that way also for considerably less, but on nice paper.
This law is for the rent collectors, not the creators.
I don't want to spend it defending myself against capricious law and frivolous lawsuits when I could be sitting on my front porch gulping a cold one while watching my 3D printer make a fine Interni sofa and a real replica Jacuzzi... But hell, now I'll probably get sued by the water bottling companies for using their plastic for printer filament!
Great! How do I get my lost time back?
you have a nice solid legal ground to stand on and say "I made this on my own".
That "legal ground" cost over $400 an hour, gee, thanks! Man, it's bunk! It's a lawyer's paradise.
Sorry, this is rent seeking, nothing more. Most people will make furniture that is comfortable for them. And now, if it just happens to like some commercial design, it is prohibited. It's bullshit. It's real intent is obvious, but it will be a long time before this wall gets knocked down.
It's too bad you would even consider this. It's like telling people they can't grow their own food.
The new ministry of silly copyrights will be sending SWAT teams to conduct random house to house searches for violators. And the BBC vans will be modified to detect 3D printers. Only terrorists seek self sufficiency.
To no one's surprise this had to happen. Business is business. And that is who we let the government serve, so let's not go around blaming anybody else.
They'll never identify me!
You are topic free... Just blabbing whatever FOX tells you to piss and moan about this week.
Nice try with your preemptive "shhh". But do take your own advice. You asked no question. You're just following me around...
Sorry, they aren't the only ones to set the rules. If I purchased the content, say through Netflix, and they refuse to deliver because of my location, I will take the right to access it as I please. If I bought a VHS, I won't let them charge me again for the DVD when I can download and record my own. I am entitled to the things I purchased.
As for the rest of your troll charade, it doesn't apply, and I'm not playing.
This refund... another sham, amirite? Just some chump change to these guys.
Rent collectors cry to the government with GIMME GIMME GIMME indefinite copyright!
Can't compete with free!
Tell it to Netflix....
Yes they can compete with free, with convenience and a fair price. The numbers don't lie.
That's a euphemism for "drop point"
"We take your [ ] very seriously...."
chicken littles like you are abundant... Keep slinging that shit!
Yes! Please do!
I wonder, does this attitude have any effect on sales? To explicitly state this publicly must mean they are very confident that it doesn't.
:-) Very interesting.. Back from weekend therapy are we? You sure have built a very powerful distortion field around yourself. Must be part of that desire of yours to feel all superior 'n stuff, but all you reveal is insecurity with your "ire". You know, I really can't quite figure out whether you do it intentionally or if it's just automatic, whether you actually believe your misrepresentations. I feel safer believing you're just dicking around. The grief you express in your posts is all yours. I feel absolutely none of it.
Sorry, bittorrent is still the best service going.
Good morning to you too! I trust you slept well. Was I in your dreams?
It's strange to see such a pattern of deliberately visiting threads so that you can just dish out some childish hate
No, I merely responded to your own. Your shtick always makes life so easy...
Oh, and you should know the rules by now. Only one question per post.