I'm more interested in making violations a physical impossibility, far beyond capabilities of written law. So, if Apple has an unbreakable product (which I don't believe, it's merely for the sake of argument), we are all better off for it. It would render the 4th and 5th moot. A little equalizer between us and the state is a good thing. Look at the bright side, there wouldn't be any Snowdens revealing your plots to take over the world and accompanying porn collection on the internet.
Goes to show how little you have to read to see the obvious:-)
However, no matter what we do, heat dissipation is still a brick wall. Present grow rate gives us about 400 years, even with the mythical 100% efficiency.
Funny thing about that. We have the power to make it fair. We can create a buyers market with that power, where the consumer sets the rules. So, if no "legitimate" sellers offer what we want where and when we want it, then there is nothing wrong with circumventing them. If I pay for a Netflix subscription, and have to download a bootleg because they won't deliver where I am, I consider the download as paid for. Everybody still got their checks. Their bureaucracy be damned. And, we saved Netflix some bandwidth. They should be damn grateful. In fact, maybe they should pay us something for helping them distribute their library. Electricity isn't free, you know. The power is ours to toss into the trash bin.
You do not even need to "expand" the existing Bill of Rights to make such a thing.
Never said I would. That's something else you didn't pick up. The "impenetrable" phone does the "expanding". The iPhone may be impenetrable. If it is, then that is a good thing no matter what anybody thinks.
Criminals exist in all countries, and it is perfectly legitimate, useful, and even desirable for the police to hunt them.
Determining who is a criminal is also done by consensus, very possibly of other criminals. Anyone who disagrees with the majority is left out in the cold. Your entire wording on the matter is very revealing of your own authoritarianism. You see your enemy as an animal. Too bad you didn't leave that baggage at home. We have no need for such archaic thinking. Tell it to the politburo.
The state has no right to compel anybody to do anything, ever. Your assertion is weaker than a house of cards. It cannot stand, even in zero gravity. The state only has the power of its weaponry to assert its "rights". You merely side with them and rationalize their behavior. In return you are allowed to sleep in your own bed.
What makes it a bit more perplexing is that the country is not undergoing any economic turmoil or anything like that. Trump is simply a reflection of the hate against *you-know-who*. All his "power" is derived from our (even Koch, et al) attention, offered on a sliver platter. We should be rewarded for our supporting roles. And we just might reap those rewards. And then the voters will cry that they were manipulated, anything to avoid responsibility for their own stupid choices. If Trump is truly a "man of the people", then fuck the people. They're nothing but a bunch of little antipathic dictators.
"Will you run an engine lathe eight unfucking hours a day because the syndicate tells you the people need what the lathe produces? If you will, the people just becomes a new tyrant."
Eh, it ain't over yet. There's still time to see it's a Howard Stern gag.
Unless you are prepared to claim, that the government can never search a citizen and/or his property/effects, you can not seriously argue, that they are wrong in this case.
Argument is futile. I don't care about court orders from a duly elected/appointed judge. I call it a warning shot, doesn't make it any better. It is dictatorship by consensus. I am seeking physical protection without flinging lead. The only relevant 'argument' is how to best accomplish that, not whether I should.
With the way you stand up for authority, it seems you brought a little of the old USSR with you, and you are grading us on a curve. A good diet and a comfortable bed will do that to ya.
True, but it's all we have when the authorities want to violate the agreement and while we are subject to the whims of the 51% that can put a crazy person into office.
Yep, the AC was unjustly modded. But it's an old comment, made by many people, including me, since the story first broke. It will take another person like Snowden to reveal to us and confirm that the FBI already has what it wants.
I'm likely to be better with a Kalashnikov, than you
Gotta love you armchair rebels... And Kalashnikov? Not very patriotic of you.. And you seem to completely miss the point.
Apple is legally required to help the government exploit the vulnerability
No, they are not. And hopefully they never will help. Now, if you want to go all fascist on them, be my guest. Just don't try to convince people that your government is better than any other tin pot dictatorship on the planet. And maybe that doesn't matter to you anyway, with the way you so zealously appeal to authority. I'm looking for a way to render it harmless, to remove its impunity. Man's law is fickle and capricious. The only relevant laws are the laws of physics. Only through those laws are my rights protected, and violated. Age old game of cat and mouse.
Just don't claim, the actual Constitution is on your side.
Never did. You shouldn't either. We are all totally dependent on the good will of people with guns.
You'll need roughly 2/3rds of the nation to agree with you — get on with it.
No I don't. I just need something nobody can break into. This Apple thing makes a good story. If it's true, I don't need your approval at all. Privacy will be mine, and you will just have to live with it.
Who cares if they go "by the book" or whose backing they have? If we can protect ourselves from them, we will, by any means possible. You got a problem with that? Can't say as I feel your pain... Our right to privacy shall not be infringed. We're expanding the 4th and 5th amendments whether you like it or not.
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Oh dear! Comments like that should cost you your modding privileges.
but I guess it didn't feel like it this time.
Or maybe they can't break into iOS9, which I hope is true, but is probably mere fantasy.
I'm more interested in making violations a physical impossibility, far beyond capabilities of written law. So, if Apple has an unbreakable product (which I don't believe, it's merely for the sake of argument), we are all better off for it. It would render the 4th and 5th moot. A little equalizer between us and the state is a good thing. Look at the bright side, there wouldn't be any Snowdens revealing your plots to take over the world and accompanying porn collection on the internet.
Goes to show how little you have to read to see the obvious :-)
However, no matter what we do, heat dissipation is still a brick wall. Present grow rate gives us about 400 years, even with the mythical 100% efficiency.
Or we could just dig a few more miles into the crust and enjoy all that geothermal. When it comes to resources, we have barely scratched the surface.
All affected parties. In my above example, the buyers stimulate a fair market.
The exposure is not what "destroyed" him.
Look at it this way. Your torrent downloads are paid for, through Netflix. No more "guilt". Nobody can say you are "stealing".
Life is not fair.
Funny thing about that. We have the power to make it fair. We can create a buyers market with that power, where the consumer sets the rules. So, if no "legitimate" sellers offer what we want where and when we want it, then there is nothing wrong with circumventing them. If I pay for a Netflix subscription, and have to download a bootleg because they won't deliver where I am, I consider the download as paid for. Everybody still got their checks. Their bureaucracy be damned. And, we saved Netflix some bandwidth. They should be damn grateful. In fact, maybe they should pay us something for helping them distribute their library. Electricity isn't free, you know. The power is ours to toss into the trash bin.
You do not even need to "expand" the existing Bill of Rights to make such a thing.
Never said I would. That's something else you didn't pick up. The "impenetrable" phone does the "expanding". The iPhone may be impenetrable. If it is, then that is a good thing no matter what anybody thinks.
Criminals exist in all countries, and it is perfectly legitimate, useful, and even desirable for the police to hunt them.
Determining who is a criminal is also done by consensus, very possibly of other criminals. Anyone who disagrees with the majority is left out in the cold. Your entire wording on the matter is very revealing of your own authoritarianism. You see your enemy as an animal. Too bad you didn't leave that baggage at home. We have no need for such archaic thinking. Tell it to the politburo.
The state has no right to compel anybody to do anything, ever. Your assertion is weaker than a house of cards. It cannot stand, even in zero gravity. The state only has the power of its weaponry to assert its "rights". You merely side with them and rationalize their behavior. In return you are allowed to sleep in your own bed.
Will the 'real' anonymous please stand up...?
Very funny
What makes it a bit more perplexing is that the country is not undergoing any economic turmoil or anything like that. Trump is simply a reflection of the hate against *you-know-who*. All his "power" is derived from our (even Koch, et al) attention, offered on a sliver platter. We should be rewarded for our supporting roles. And we just might reap those rewards. And then the voters will cry that they were manipulated, anything to avoid responsibility for their own stupid choices. If Trump is truly a "man of the people", then fuck the people. They're nothing but a bunch of little antipathic dictators.
"Will you run an engine lathe eight unfucking hours a day because the syndicate tells you the people
need what the lathe produces? If you will, the people just becomes a new tyrant."
Eh, it ain't over yet. There's still time to see it's a Howard Stern gag.
Unless you are prepared to claim, that the government can never search a citizen and/or his property/effects, you can not seriously argue, that they are wrong in this case.
Argument is futile. I don't care about court orders from a duly elected/appointed judge. I call it a warning shot, doesn't make it any better. It is dictatorship by consensus. I am seeking physical protection without flinging lead. The only relevant 'argument' is how to best accomplish that, not whether I should.
With the way you stand up for authority, it seems you brought a little of the old USSR with you, and you are grading us on a curve. A good diet and a comfortable bed will do that to ya.
Ok, do they have a yoga desk?
Technical solutions are not perfect...
True, but it's all we have when the authorities want to violate the agreement and while we are subject to the whims of the 51% that can put a crazy person into office.
Yep, the AC was unjustly modded. But it's an old comment, made by many people, including me, since the story first broke. It will take another person like Snowden to reveal to us and confirm that the FBI already has what it wants.
I'm likely to be better with a Kalashnikov, than you
Gotta love you armchair rebels... And Kalashnikov? Not very patriotic of you.. And you seem to completely miss the point.
Apple is legally required to help the government exploit the vulnerability
No, they are not. And hopefully they never will help. Now, if you want to go all fascist on them, be my guest. Just don't try to convince people that your government is better than any other tin pot dictatorship on the planet. And maybe that doesn't matter to you anyway, with the way you so zealously appeal to authority. I'm looking for a way to render it harmless, to remove its impunity. Man's law is fickle and capricious. The only relevant laws are the laws of physics. Only through those laws are my rights protected, and violated. Age old game of cat and mouse.
It doesn't matter. The election results show that 98% of the voters approve. If there is a problem, you know where to look.
No, they are using "Lord of the Flies"
Trump, Clinton, Cruz; crooked, corrupt, and crazy... For all practical purposes majority rule is nearing its EOL.
Okay, so the next piece of fashionable furniture will be the jogging desk.
Just don't claim, the actual Constitution is on your side.
Never did. You shouldn't either. We are all totally dependent on the good will of people with guns.
You'll need roughly 2/3rds of the nation to agree with you — get on with it.
No I don't. I just need something nobody can break into. This Apple thing makes a good story. If it's true, I don't need your approval at all. Privacy will be mine, and you will just have to live with it.
that way lies anarchy.
Yeah? And? Where's the problem?
Who cares if they go "by the book" or whose backing they have? If we can protect ourselves from them, we will, by any means possible. You got a problem with that? Can't say as I feel your pain... Our right to privacy shall not be infringed. We're expanding the 4th and 5th amendments whether you like it or not.
I was kinda hoping for a Freddy Krueger comeback...
Time, Newsweek, the Lifesavers, and the second time bomb from the right.
I've never owned an Apple product in my life, but I'm thinking about it now.
Ah haaa... my plan is working perfectly. Next, you will all wear black turtlenecks