Is it really now insane to want ill behaved processes to be terminated when you log out of a session? I would say that this is instead expected behavior already by most users. That it _also_ happen to affect nohup and screen sessions are serious but I see no one that claims that this will be unresolved by the time v230 ends up in stable distributions. Once again this version is only available on Debian Testing, which is the correct place for you now, testing.
Agreed that this indeed is bad behavior if they try to sneak these changes through. However this issue is at the moment for Debian Testing so we do not know at this point in time how things will look in Debian Stable once v230 ends up there (which probably will take a long time).
It however have to be said that just because v230 of systemd have changed "#KillUserProcesses=no" into "KillUserProcesses=yes" in/etc/systemd/logind.conf does not mean that distributions will ship with this. v230 have just hit Debian testing so it will be quite a while before it hits Debian stable.
Link to where Poettering says that. The guy doing strange replies in the Debian bugtracker linked in TFA is some one else (Michael Biebl). It also looks like setting this variable in logind.conf to "no" disables this behaviour. Agreed that this is indeed a bad default it it really gets to be the default value on servers but if so then it's Debians fault because they are the ones who control the default values in their distribution.
So what you are saying that you not not expect BSD Unixes to let ill behaving processes to linger after you log out but that you also see this as good behaviour? Not sure that the developers of the various BSD Unixes agree with you there.
Myself, I expect that such processes gets killed. I also expect the default of this value to be set to "no" on the various server editions.
No, They backport fixes, which is why the full version of the 2.6.32 kernel used in CentOS 6.8 is kernel-2.6.32-642, this means that it's has seen 642 revisions since the original release of the 2.6.32 kernel.
FSF have never claimed that you cannot use headers carrying the GPL copyright in them. What they claim is that you cannot link to GPL:ed code without being compatible with the GPL. Same with the EXPORT_SYMBOL_GPL in the Linux Kernel, that is not about using the headers but about allowing linkage with the specific kernel function (i.e they are license exceptions to the GPL that normally covers the whole kernel).
First of all Vulkan support in the drivers are in a very early stage so things might change, AND the benchmark that you posted where for AMD GPUs, the nVIDIA ones painted a completely different picture: https://www.phoronix.com/scan....
Or else if he must run Debian he could compile from source and change the default cflags from i686 to i386. This is only about the binary distribution of Debian and not of the source distribution.
What fascinates me is the fact the people often treat prison as something that is set in stone and given to us by the gods instead of realizing that it's a man made invention just like everything else around us. AFAIK the origins of prison was Christians in Europe who thought that if they put criminals into the same kind of solitude that monks exhibit in a monestary which then would make the criminals be able to get "closed to god".
Fast forward some thousand years and prison is the lowest denominator. Myself I kind of like the older ways of forcing the criminals to undo the damage that they did, i.e if they vandalized your home then they have to fix it back to the way it was, this might now work in todays society for crimes such as murder and rape (in the old days there was a monetary value for these crimes, and for some murders your punishment could also be exile for a number of years) but then there is really no reason to handle all crimes equally.
Been approached and asked about putting a back door in and actually comply and putting a back door in are two different things. All we know is that he probably have been asked to do it, we do not know if he complied, considering that the source if completely open it's very likely that he explained to NSA et al that it couldn't be done.
Regarding Canonical there is AFAIK no equivalent of the US National Security Letters in the UK, courts there can order gag orders but only to protect the privacy of people and not to force companies to comply with GCHQ.
In fact that you even drag systemd into this is hilarious, there is no new way to run "approved" code automatically in systemd that wasn't already possible with sysv init or the bsd init.
There was notification, for fricking sake it was one of the selling points of the new search lens that you could get results from Amazon back. Also they didn't send it directly to Amazon, they routed all traffic by their own servers so that Amazon not could collect source ip for each query. While the setting to disable it might have been changed you could always just apt-get remove the shopping lens and get rid of it that way. And as of 16.04 the lens is not opt in as it should have been from the start.
Because they have played a major part in the criminal underworld where I live. During the 90:e when I was doing my Military Service there where an all out war between the Hells Angels and Bandidos, where they fired Anti Tank Weapons upon each other (the light AT4 model) so we had plenty of work in the army at the moment to protect all the weapons caches from their hands.
And it's common knowledger over here from papers to the police that HA are heavily invested in smuggling of drugs, weapons and prostitutes. Whenever a politician talks about Organized Crime here they are talking about HA.
Hells Angels is a major player in drugs and prostitution through out western Europe, they have competition yes (another bike gang, Bandidos is among them) since no once ever have 100% of a market as big as this but they are major players. Remember that we are not talking about the selling to end customers here, that is handled by the thousands of low life people that you refer to, we are talking about the smuggling and human trafficking part of it. There are not thousands of people in the Netherlands that smuggle huge amounts of cocain over the borders.
If this means that the market has finally matured (i.e a new phone isn't obsoleted in 6 months since a next gen is being released) then it's great because that would open the market finally for a long term phone. You know a smart phone where you still in 10 years time get updates, can get cheap replacement battery and so on. I know that this won't happen ever since the manufacturers want to keep creating new cheap shit that we should buy and trash in 6 months, but still this would at least make room for one manufacturer that would release such a phone.
This has nothing to do with the version of Mongo but with the version of Ubuntu it was built for. Every post that have tried to "reproduce" this step have downloaded Mongo for either 12.04LTS och 14.04LTS, both which is non systemd Ubuntu releases so of course you will not find a systemd unit file in either of them. MongoDB where however included in the official Ubuntu repository as of 16.04LTS and lo and behold it does include a systemd unit file. So you have all been played to anti systemd trolls that know exactly why the unit file is missing from the packages that the point to but still use it as an argument even though the know that it's false. It's like trying to prove that there are no penguins in the North Pole by showing that there are no Penguins in some African country, it's disingenuous.
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Is it really now insane to want ill behaved processes to be terminated when you log out of a session? I would say that this is instead expected behavior already by most users. That it _also_ happen to affect nohup and screen sessions are serious but I see no one that claims that this will be unresolved by the time v230 ends up in stable distributions. Once again this version is only available on Debian Testing, which is the correct place for you now, testing.
Agreed that this indeed is bad behavior if they try to sneak these changes through. However this issue is at the moment for Debian Testing so we do not know at this point in time how things will look in Debian Stable once v230 ends up there (which probably will take a long time).
It however have to be said that just because v230 of systemd have changed "#KillUserProcesses=no" into "KillUserProcesses=yes" in /etc/systemd/logind.conf does not mean that distributions will ship with this. v230 have just hit Debian testing so it will be quite a while before it hits Debian stable.
Link to where Poettering says that. The guy doing strange replies in the Debian bugtracker linked in TFA is some one else (Michael Biebl). It also looks like setting this variable in logind.conf to "no" disables this behaviour. Agreed that this is indeed a bad default it it really gets to be the default value on servers but if so then it's Debians fault because they are the ones who control the default values in their distribution.
So what you are saying that you not not expect BSD Unixes to let ill behaving processes to linger after you log out but that you also see this as good behaviour? Not sure that the developers of the various BSD Unixes agree with you there.
Myself, I expect that such processes gets killed. I also expect the default of this value to be set to "no" on the various server editions.
They probably have complete schematics for the whole system so they can perform maintenance themselves.
However the storage density of these old disks are probably so low that they can still work with a lot of rust :)
Yes, imagine the horror when they "upgrade" to new and shiny. At least it will web scale or something.
So you sysv lovers now also love upstart?
There is nothing anti POSIX or anti UNIX with systemd.
No, They backport fixes, which is why the full version of the 2.6.32 kernel used in CentOS 6.8 is kernel-2.6.32-642, this means that it's has seen 642 revisions since the original release of the 2.6.32 kernel.
Apparently the X button now means Windows X
FSF have never claimed that you cannot use headers carrying the GPL copyright in them. What they claim is that you cannot link to GPL:ed code without being compatible with the GPL. Same with the EXPORT_SYMBOL_GPL in the Linux Kernel, that is not about using the headers but about allowing linkage with the specific kernel function (i.e they are license exceptions to the GPL that normally covers the whole kernel).
First of all Vulkan support in the drivers are in a very early stage so things might change, AND the benchmark that you posted where for AMD GPUs, the nVIDIA ones painted a completely different picture: https://www.phoronix.com/scan....
Windows might not be a colossal time sink in most situations
Since when?
Ask Netscape
Or else if he must run Debian he could compile from source and change the default cflags from i686 to i386. This is only about the binary distribution of Debian and not of the source distribution.
What fascinates me is the fact the people often treat prison as something that is set in stone and given to us by the gods instead of realizing that it's a man made invention just like everything else around us. AFAIK the origins of prison was Christians in Europe who thought that if they put criminals into the same kind of solitude that monks exhibit in a monestary which then would make the criminals be able to get "closed to god".
Fast forward some thousand years and prison is the lowest denominator. Myself I kind of like the older ways of forcing the criminals to undo the damage that they did, i.e if they vandalized your home then they have to fix it back to the way it was, this might now work in todays society for crimes such as murder and rape (in the old days there was a monetary value for these crimes, and for some murders your punishment could also be exile for a number of years) but then there is really no reason to handle all crimes equally.
Been approached and asked about putting a back door in and actually comply and putting a back door in are two different things. All we know is that he probably have been asked to do it, we do not know if he complied, considering that the source if completely open it's very likely that he explained to NSA et al that it couldn't be done.
Regarding Canonical there is AFAIK no equivalent of the US National Security Letters in the UK, courts there can order gag orders but only to protect the privacy of people and not to force companies to comply with GCHQ.
In fact that you even drag systemd into this is hilarious, there is no new way to run "approved" code automatically in systemd that wasn't already possible with sysv init or the bsd init.
There was notification, for fricking sake it was one of the selling points of the new search lens that you could get results from Amazon back. Also they didn't send it directly to Amazon, they routed all traffic by their own servers so that Amazon not could collect source ip for each query. While the setting to disable it might have been changed you could always just apt-get remove the shopping lens and get rid of it that way. And as of 16.04 the lens is not opt in as it should have been from the start.
Because they have played a major part in the criminal underworld where I live. During the 90:e when I was doing my Military Service there where an all out war between the Hells Angels and Bandidos, where they fired Anti Tank Weapons upon each other (the light AT4 model) so we had plenty of work in the army at the moment to protect all the weapons caches from their hands.
And it's common knowledger over here from papers to the police that HA are heavily invested in smuggling of drugs, weapons and prostitutes. Whenever a politician talks about Organized Crime here they are talking about HA.
Hells Angels is a major player in drugs and prostitution through out western Europe, they have competition yes (another bike gang, Bandidos is among them) since no once ever have 100% of a market as big as this but they are major players. Remember that we are not talking about the selling to end customers here, that is handled by the thousands of low life people that you refer to, we are talking about the smuggling and human trafficking part of it. There are not thousands of people in the Netherlands that smuggle huge amounts of cocain over the borders.
If this means that the market has finally matured (i.e a new phone isn't obsoleted in 6 months since a next gen is being released) then it's great because that would open the market finally for a long term phone. You know a smart phone where you still in 10 years time get updates, can get cheap replacement battery and so on. I know that this won't happen ever since the manufacturers want to keep creating new cheap shit that we should buy and trash in 6 months, but still this would at least make room for one manufacturer that would release such a phone.
This has nothing to do with the version of Mongo but with the version of Ubuntu it was built for. Every post that have tried to "reproduce" this step have downloaded Mongo for either 12.04LTS och 14.04LTS, both which is non systemd Ubuntu releases so of course you will not find a systemd unit file in either of them. MongoDB where however included in the official Ubuntu repository as of 16.04LTS and lo and behold it does include a systemd unit file. So you have all been played to anti systemd trolls that know exactly why the unit file is missing from the packages that the point to but still use it as an argument even though the know that it's false. It's like trying to prove that there are no penguins in the North Pole by showing that there are no Penguins in some African country, it's disingenuous.
And those steps download the MongoDB binary built for precise which is even older (Ubuntu 12.04LTS). It's like you are not even trying here.