I read that article and no where in it did I see any evidence of what is so earth shattering about it. He did mention stability but only a gut feel that even that may be better than xp.
"Why are they running systems against which phishing is useful? Why aren't they deploying advanced OS technology in which stealing a password or compromising a browser doesn't give away the entire machine?"
They are probably deploying vista as we speak, that will fix her right up...
"When ODF was under consideration, Microsoft made no effort to slow down the process because we recognized customers' interest in the standardization of document formats."
Yep you bet no effort to slow down the standardization process because they refused to be involved. However they have made every effort possible and will continue to do so in the future to slow the adoption and deployment of this standard by any means necessary.
Having dealt with tons of owned sites over the years I would say that 70% is a very low figure. I would also say that 90% of these tools the security vendors are throwing around are also trash. The point out obvious flaws in some cases but the tools are no where near as crafty as the human brain at exploiting web sites. Script kiddies using known vulnerabilities are one thing but stopping somebody hell bent on getting in is much, much tougher.
Point your hardware vendor to the web site and ask them to participate. If you mean will someone reverse engineer your hardware, well they answer that question on the site FAQ and the answer is no.
You have to chmod 777 every file in the root and home file systems, log in as root, open a port for ssh, disable ip tables and or ipchains and post the user name (root of course), password and ip to a irc channel, turn off pop up blocking...yep see it effects linux also.
That is the lamest vulnerability post I have seen in a long time...really stretching here are we not?
Actually it is more along the lines of getting rid of a couple of problem users verses keeping the other 400 users happy. The 5 bucks per month profit margin they make off your connection means very little when compared to the other 99% that do not run bit torrent. If just one or two users calls and bitches about speed because your torrent client is eating all the bandwidth that five bucks is gone and then some.
Nope I do not blame them one bit, torrent clients eat huge pipe and I have seen first hand what they can do to quality of service on the network.
And yes you can encrypt the traffic all you want also but the clients stick out like a sore thumb regardless because of the massive amount of outbound traffic, they will still kick you off the network.
I commonly do work for some local isp's to throttle and even block bit torrent clients on their networks. Just a couple of bit torrent clients on the network can just about saturate the connections. The ISP take on it is rather simple, first of all serving content either via web server or p2p client is against usage policies. We attempt to block a user first and give him a call and tell him why, the second violation of the usage policy is suspension. The ASP does not care if they loose that user because the cases are few and far in between. Profit margins on the connections are razor thin anyhow loosing one of these users means increased profits not lost profits.
AUTO vacuum...yea keep telling yourself that. I have been running production postgresql databases for about 7 years now. The large ones I got rid of because it just took too much baby sitting to keep the things up and running. vacuum for one thing takes forever to run, often fails requiring me to dump and reload, locks everyone out while it is running etc. I love the feature set of it but down time to vacuum a table to restore performance in a 24x7 operation just don't cut it.
Marten, he wants you to add table vacuum so we have to spend our weekends like we do on postgres running it just to keep the database from grinding to a halt.
You mean warts like not having to run a vacuum on the frigging database every week so it does not grind to a halt. I love the functionality of postgres but I don't see it as being no where near as fast or as stable as mysql.
Not that this thread is totally relevant to the discussion at hand but here goes.
For 200 workstations you need but 1 shit hot linu admin / developer. These guys do exist I am one of them, but not cheap I may add. Ok now this is one cream of the crop linux dude you have here and you have to pay him well so lets just say you fork out 70 - 80K for such a guy. Now a windows shop you could probably make do with two people(MCSE types) for 50 K so we are at a net gain so far of 20K at the worst not including benefits and such.
Ok so now let's build out the enterprise..
1. We buy our pc's from cdw just like everyone else in the world and they come preloaded with XP pro. Ok fine we will just run that why reimage the box and it will do for our needs.
2. Shit hot admin loads a fairly hefty server that we plunked down close to 10K on so we subtract the 10K from the net gain we still got 10K left....loads umbuntu server
3. Shit hot admin does a apt-get for samba now we have full file and print sharing, spends rest of day configuring and getting that ready...ok subtract cals not sure what the net gain is but say 5K sounds like a good number.
4. Shit hot admin on the next day configures samba to do print to pdf conversion and spends a hour on a python script to feed the converted documents to the users email accounts. Now we don't need distiller at 600 dollars per desk.
5. Shit hot admin loads OO on all desktops net gain $600 dollars per seat times 200, since we did not have to buy office.
6. Next you cannot run a company without a database server, shit hot admin loads mysql and postgres on the same box, along with this the appropriate web interfaces. I have not checked ms sql prices lately with enough licenses to connect 200 users but I am sure it is substantial.
7. Oh wait we need a erp system, shit hot admin goes out to source forge and grabs compiere. Now we have a full featured erp system for the cost of a download. I don't know if you have priced erp systems lately but again the cost is substantial 10's, 100's of thousands of dollars for a group this size.
8. Mail would be nice, lets go out and get a copy of zimbra, now we got both web mail and outlook connectivity.
9. Intranet portal, hundreds to choose from so we choose download and fire up apache, jboss or what have you.
10. The big boys got CRM lets grab that also, download sugar and again away we go.
I can run every bit of that on a single box, no way are you going to even attempt that in a windows environment and even if you did it would cost 100's of thousands of dollars just to match the software we have running on it already. I could of course continue this but you get the idea....you never scratched the surface.
So total net gain 250,000 back into the bottom line, we use this to dramatically drop our prices and upgrade production related equipment. We gain 22% market share as a result and we are eating competitors alive...now that is what it is all about.
Guess you need to hire a better network administrator or switch to a decent office suite. OO can export to pdf out of the box, a good network administrator can set up a linux powered network pdf printer..total cost of both of those solutions "zero".
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I read that article and no where in it did I see any evidence of what is so earth shattering about it. He did mention stability but only a gut feel that even that may be better than xp.
So what was MS working on all those years?
"Why are they running systems against which phishing is useful? Why aren't they deploying advanced OS technology in which stealing a password or compromising a browser doesn't give away the entire machine?"
They are probably deploying vista as we speak, that will fix her right up...
This little blurb just kills me...
"When ODF was under consideration, Microsoft made no effort to slow down the process because we recognized customers' interest in the standardization of document formats."
Yep you bet no effort to slow down the standardization process because they refused to be involved. However they have made every effort possible and will continue to do so in the future to slow
the adoption and deployment of this standard by any means necessary.
It does not take a rocket scientist with a good look at the spec to figure out it sucks. The fact that it sucks has little to do with IBM.
Microsoft DRM does not work 100% of the time on any of my linux boxes.
Having dealt with tons of owned sites over the years I would say that 70% is
a very low figure. I would also say that 90% of these tools the security vendors
are throwing around are also trash. The point out obvious flaws in some cases
but the tools are no where near as crafty as the human brain at exploiting
web sites. Script kiddies using known vulnerabilities are one thing but stopping
somebody hell bent on getting in is much, much tougher.
Point your hardware vendor to the web site and ask them to participate. If you mean will someone reverse engineer your hardware, well they answer that question on the site FAQ and the answer is no.
The Netscape engineers thought they had a loyal following and they where very good at what they
did also....poof gone
Foxpro had a loyal following and great engineers....poof gone
DR Dos had a loyal following and great engineers....poof gone
Word Perfect had a loyal following and great engineers...poof gone
You probably have a loyal following and great engineers....yea you guessed it, poof gone
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Don't sound like anything I am interested in...
You have to chmod 777 every file in the root and home file systems, log in as root, open a port for ssh, disable ip tables and or ipchains and post the user name (root of course), password and ip to a irc channel, turn off pop up blocking...yep see it effects linux also.
That is the lamest vulnerability post I have seen in a long time...really stretching here are we not?
I do not think so, however we do know that any gains being made by IIS are related to microsoft purchasing them.
Linux is the killer application and it will be even more so in the future. Don't worry MS is scared of Linux and probably even more so today.
1. When you typed this posted at least a few linux boxes where involved in storing, sorting
and displaying your drivel.
2. I bet you probably even do a few google searches per day, there you go again 100,000 linux boxes
faithfully answer your request at lightning speed.
3. Go to work and half the printers there probably have embedded linux.
4. You are probably posting using your wireless router again running linux.
5. Watching your dvr or tivo today, again linux.
6. Go to the movies and watching CG animation again rendered on linux.
7. Request a web page, probably linux dns server answering that request.
8. Check your email, again probably linux or routed through linux boxes somewhere.
9. Wipe your ass, some embedded controller at the paper mill running linux made that happen.
10. Picking your nose... well ok linux probably had nothing to do with that but that is what the
parent had to be doing when authoring that post.
Linux touches your life everyday and does so without
being noticed...now that is the killer app!
Send them to me, I could have alot of fun with that....
The people this has happened to ought to call MS and thank them for saving them from a pointless
upgrade.
Actually it is more along the lines of getting rid of a couple of problem users verses keeping the other 400 users happy. The 5 bucks per month profit margin they make off your connection means very little when compared to the other 99% that do not run bit torrent. If just one or two users calls and bitches about speed because your torrent client is eating all the bandwidth that five bucks is gone and then some.
Nope I do not blame them one bit, torrent clients eat huge pipe and I have seen first hand what they can do to quality of service on the network.
And yes you can encrypt the traffic all you want also but the clients stick out like a sore thumb regardless because of the massive amount of outbound traffic, they will still kick you off the network.
I commonly do work for some local isp's to throttle and even block bit torrent clients on their networks. Just a couple of bit torrent clients on the network can just about saturate the connections. The ISP take on it is rather simple, first of all serving content either via web server or p2p client is against usage policies. We attempt to block a user first and give him a call and tell him why, the second violation of the usage policy is suspension. The ASP does not care if they loose that user because the cases are few and far in between. Profit margins on the connections are razor thin anyhow loosing one of these users means increased profits not lost profits.
What, not smart enough to point his web browser at OWA?
I can admin, program and integrate both platforms and exploit the advantages of both.
"Those who are limited to a single platform or language will always be limited"
AUTO vacuum...yea keep telling yourself that. I have been running production postgresql databases
for about 7 years now. The large ones I got rid of because it just took too much baby sitting to
keep the things up and running. vacuum for one thing takes forever to run, often fails requiring me to dump and reload, locks everyone out while it is running etc. I love the feature set of it but
down time to vacuum a table to restore performance in a 24x7 operation just don't cut it.
Marten, he wants you to add table vacuum so we have to spend our weekends like we do on postgres running it just to keep the database from grinding to a halt.
Nope, just keep doing what you do best...
You mean warts like not having to run a vacuum on the frigging database every week so it does not grind to a halt. I love the functionality of postgres but I don't see it as being no where near as fast or as stable as mysql.
Ok, you defend yourself and business from the microsoft legal machine...we got your back bro
Good luck with that!
Not that this thread is totally relevant to the discussion at hand but here goes.
For 200 workstations you need but 1 shit hot linu admin / developer. These guys do exist
I am one of them, but not cheap I may add. Ok now this is one cream of the crop linux dude
you have here and you have to pay him well so lets just say you fork out 70 - 80K for such
a guy. Now a windows shop you could probably make do with two people(MCSE types) for 50 K so we are
at a net gain so far of 20K at the worst not including benefits and such.
Ok so now let's build out the enterprise..
1. We buy our pc's from cdw just like everyone else in the world and they come preloaded with XP pro. Ok fine we will just run that why reimage the box and it will do for our needs.
2. Shit hot admin loads a fairly hefty server that we plunked down close to 10K on so we subtract the 10K from the net gain we still got 10K left....loads umbuntu server
3. Shit hot admin does a apt-get for samba now we have full file and print sharing, spends rest of day configuring and getting that ready...ok subtract cals not sure what the net gain is but say 5K
sounds like a good number.
4. Shit hot admin on the next day configures samba to do print to pdf conversion and spends a hour on a python script to feed the converted documents to the users email accounts. Now we don't need distiller at 600 dollars per desk.
5. Shit hot admin loads OO on all desktops net gain $600 dollars per seat times 200, since we did not have to buy office.
6. Next you cannot run a company without a database server, shit hot admin loads mysql and postgres on the same box, along with this the appropriate web interfaces. I have not checked
ms sql prices lately with enough licenses to connect 200 users but I am sure it is substantial.
7. Oh wait we need a erp system, shit hot admin goes out to source forge and grabs compiere. Now we have a full featured erp system for the cost of a download. I don't know if you have priced erp systems lately but again the cost is substantial 10's, 100's of thousands of dollars for a group this size.
8. Mail would be nice, lets go out and get a copy of zimbra, now we got both web mail and outlook connectivity.
9. Intranet portal, hundreds to choose from so we choose download and fire up apache, jboss or what have you.
10. The big boys got CRM lets grab that also, download sugar and again away we go.
I can run every bit of that on a single box, no way are you going to even attempt that in a windows environment and even if you did it would cost 100's of thousands of dollars just to
match the software we have running on it already. I could of course continue this but you get the idea....you never scratched the surface.
So total net gain 250,000 back into the bottom line, we use this to dramatically drop our prices and upgrade production related equipment. We gain 22% market share as a result and we are eating competitors alive...now that is what it is all about.
Guess you need to hire a better network administrator or switch to a decent office suite. OO can export to pdf out of the box, a good network administrator can set up a linux powered network pdf printer..total cost of both of those solutions "zero".
Damn now where is my mod points, that is some funny shit right there...