A device which contains a crack for DVDs, the code necessary to play DVDs from all regions? I'd keep it and buy another playstation. And if I could get some of the code onto my computer and analyze it, like they did with bleem, search for the keys, well we could be seeing DeCSS all over again! Just have to move to Antarctica before distributing so as to avoid legal concerns...or keep to self, heh heh heh
I seriously doubt the "start-up software" for the PSX2 is either a CD or DVD. It would be a new low for consoles to require a separate "start-up disc" when you turn it on. Plus, if the "start-up software" drives the reading of DVDs, how could it be on a DVD?
No, this more likely refers to the BIOS or some other chip inside the console. Which means that you either return your console, or pop the hood and remove the BIOS. (it could also be on a flash card, which goes in an external slot like the memory cards, that way you would never have to take it out to play games, except to upgrade for new features and stuff.)
But once again, I don't know, I don't own one, although I do doubt it would be such a hot item if it req'd a boot disc.
"Put yourself in their position. How can you call suicide selfish, when if you were unable to feed yourself you would probably do it too!" "But they were given a supply a free food!"
If the court rules that the software is illegal, because the basis is a violation of a copyright, which is protected by international treaties. So unless you want to go use your illegally GPL'd derivative of already copyrighted software in Uganda, or wherever they don't have copyright treaties with the US, well those other countries honor that copyright. Similarly if Mattel were, say, a Dutch company and this all went down in Holland, well, the software's GPL-ness would be invalid in the US. We would have to honor the Dutch courts decision because it would be an issue of Dutch copyright. (forgive me if this is a bad example for any reason, I just grabbed a fairly modern European country out of a hat)
This is ultimately moot because the case was settled before the (il)legality of the software status was settled.
Spire's right. Apparently, whoever wrote this program had motives not as pure as the freshly driven snow. Not only does this program show the list of banned sites, but it also provides a list of passwords that allow CyberPatrol to be *disabled*!!!
I can fully understand why they would block any and all instances of this program to paying subscribers. If I purchased this product, I wouldn't want it to be easily disabled.
However, if the software author (hint, hint) were to release a program that *ONLY* shows the list of blocked sites, without providing the passwords that can be used to disable the protection, then I'd be against any effort to block access to it. Sadly, that didn't happen. (hint, hint)
Well, all the sites which were deemed critical of CyberPatrol were blocked, not just the ones with the bypass program. (hint, hint)
If all they blocked out of hand were the sites with the bypass program, it would be no problem because, as you said, a paying customer does not want the software disabled. But the reason for the program in the first place was because Mattel was plugging any site that miffed them.
Right. It's well known that the MPAA imposed self-regulation entirely to avoid "big borther" (and of course now they're all chummy and on the same team, but that's a different story) If a movie has an NC-17 rating, it can be shown to whoever wants be shown it, as far as the law goes. Now, if theaters start letting kids in to NC-17 movies, the MPAA won't like it of course and they will be blacklisted and won't be able to show movies (coming from MPAA member studios) Now, most theaters don't show NC-17 movies because it doesn't look very good and it doesn't get much business (if it's a normal theater). This is entierely differently from a pornographic film which is not rated by MPAA, and has its status as "over 18 only" imposed by law. Notice age for pornos is 18, NC-17s is 17. If they were both enforced by government regulation NC-17 would be NC-18. So Anomalous Canard is right, and I have no clue who I'm really replying to is goofy. Because I'm viewing at 2 threshold. And very tired, starting to type disjointed, you noticed, did? ----------/me is happy about finally being able to get into NC-17 movies.
Wow, thanks. I've always heard that said, but I never knew what part it was in. I hate it when people do that. Well, not really hate it, but you know what I mean. Like the homosexuals are damned bit. In my bible reading, which is quite a lot for an a-religious strongly Bhuddist-identifiying teenager, most of whose Christian friends have never even picked up the bible to see what it really says, I never ran across that bit, although I did hit the part where Jesus says that people who are persecuted on his account go to heaven--essentially vindicating homosexuals--in the same speech as the "meek will inherit the earth" in one of the gospels, I wrote down the chapter and verse somewhere but I lost it.
I have a feeling, tho', that if I ever run across what supposedly damns gays, it will say something quite different, exactly like the "eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth" section that was misquoted above.
Maybe I should quit reading random sections sporadically and just go on through from start to finish.
But that aside, I still think it would be fun to "unlist" Mattel from DNSes. Not really as revenge so much as to make an example of the stupidity of their practice of excluding sites speaking out against them. Then hopefully people will realize what they were doing was wrong. Or not, and we could continue to have fun with it indefinitely. They could even take "us" to court despite there being nobody to take to court, really. Everybody who doesn't carry Mattel's website in their DNS as a defendant? Well, then any ISP that doesn't carry a particular newsgroup could just as well be sued. The circulators of the boycott list? Well, if Mattel can sue them for the business Mattel loses by having their site disappear, Mattel could be sued by anybody on the Cyberpatrol list for business they lose for having their site blocked, because they are technically the same, except Mattel.com is still reachable. And we can be sure they would at least try to sue somebody. Oh, what fun!!
------- "Direct intercourse with the authorities was never difficult then, for well organized as they might be, all they did was to guard the distant and invisible interests of distant and invisible masters" -Franz Kafka, The Castle
The government can this filter/that blackbox whatever much they want, we can still develop things like ANTIOCH, go outside of 'the internet' and the phone systems and do whatever we want. Hell, we could even go back to using types of computers with protocols, interfaces and formats so antiquated they would have no idea what kind of data we were sending.
And I wonder, is this a documented case of this Mitnik guy or just some vaguely remembered anecdote? Because it's pretty damn hard to lock somebody up for four years without trial or bail for stealing commercial secrets. Maybe military secrets? That I could see. But I've seen cases like this and not even the majorest of major corporations can get that kind of preferential treatment.
Now how did this guy manage to score a 2, with all the stuff he pulled out of his ass? Lincoln did not usurp any states' rights--as I recall those states had voluntarily seceeded, which is not allowed for in the constitution--the constitution of a union which they had voluntarily joined, knowing it had no concessions for secession. From the standpoint of the union they had not seceeded, but were firing their guns at the union forces. This was before slavery was declared illegal that the confederacy began shooting, and they shot first.
NSA only monitors international communications. They do not have clearance or mandate to investigate or monitor domestic communications, nor are they allowed to have other countries' agencies do it for them. That kind of thing is carried out by the FBI, usually, or possibly the CIA.
You seem to think there is nothing more important in life than business, making money and a living and getting what you want materially. Well, that's fine for you but there are those of us who don't look at life that way. I would gladly go to jail for 4 to 6 years if government wanted to put a box on my connection. And I know the next guy down the line would be saying "look at that guy, look at his sacrifice" and figure it was really important, and while some would take the box, others would follow my example or stand out in their own way. And what would the government do, arrest the whole country? Remember, our government stays in power by mind control by getting a majority of people to think it represents them, and when it comes to trying to arrest a majority of citizens to stay in power because they realize a law is bogus and are protesting, it can't be maintained. You can call us clueless students, but antimaterialistic sacrifices can be powerful movers of people--don't you remember the civil rights movement? Or did that never happen, and I'm just making the entire movement up because I'm a clueless student? Did Ghandi never drive the British out of India with hunger stirkes? Jesus did the same type of thing and the majority of the "civilized" world converted to worshiping him for it. So who needs a reality check now?
And who says Tickemaster.com is a member of *any* community? They're a business, they want to make money, not talk with people. Also I've never read any "rules" about hyperlinking, and doubt any exist.
It's called http. You use it, you follow the rules for how it works. Namely, people can link you. If you don't like it, don't use http, because that was your choice in the first place. Or you can build a better mouse trap and script it so they have to enter from your front page, otherwise it won't load. Now they, the linkers, have to follow the "rules" of http and can no longer deep-link. But if either party gets outside intervention, the rules break, the system can no longer stand up, and (eventually) the entire web comes crashing down. This is why we follow the rules of the communities to keep things free--if not for the "rules" governing hyperlinking we call http, there would be no web, and there will be no web in the future without them.
Okay, how does that show that they're not a monopoly? Microsoft is a monopoly and pulls all the same crap, only it's a lot more than 20 minutes. And the MS tax is a lot more than $8.
They're a monopoly because every friggin' event you hear about says "tickets on sale at all Ticketmaster locations". Never heard of any other company in a sentence like that. Case rested.
It's the same thing more or less with security and cracking, and viruses. Major corporations skimp on real security and then just have the law smack down on whoever walks in. It's like, if I never lock the door to my house, or if I leave home with the door wide open, sooner or later somebody's going to wander in. Then they see nobody is around, so they take advantage of this opportunity to lift my stuff. Well, if I really wanted it so bad I would have probably had the sense to lock my door. The law shouldn't waste one cent of taxpayer money going after the guy, he did everyone a favor by teching me a lesson.
Take Melissa. The guy didn't write a bloody virus. It was more of a wake-up call to all of the people bumbling around trusting Microsoft's default insecure settings, saying "Hey, if you're running this crap, you're setting yourself up. They're setting you up." How much data did it destroy? How much data was it intended to destroy? What did it even do at all that was illegal? Sent a few porn site passwords to minors, which it was not even targetted towards because the original recipients were adults. Last I checked writing self-propagating macros, not even code, in and of itself is not illegal. Should not microsoft be sued for leaving this open door for much more insidious purposes to exploit? (can we say "chernobyl?") I think so.
Yeah, but it's "goddamn freaks" who have "fucking cables running out the back of their goddamn heads, brain damage, six webbed goddamn toes on each foot and fucking spock ears" who put people on the goddamn moon, created most of the modern conveniences you use daily like plastics, refrigerators, electric lights, fast, comfy cars, computers, (even if you're using Micro$haft products) and those really nice guns you don't want us to goddamn ban (even tho' most Open Sourcers/hackers I know have are against such a ban and keep guns)
Just so you know, an anarchist is not the same as a communist/socialist, and most of us hackers seem to be anarchists (at heart).
Okay, now we're getting/lame/. The United States is the only nation in which the "standard" system is standard, AFAIK. It is at least the only one I can name. 250 million/6 billion = 4.167%, 99% of which is 4.125%. That's 4.125% of people who use "standard" measurement, give or take a percent, for everyday use. Not 99% of people. I'm not really a scientist, but I try to use metric as much as possible in my day to day life because it makes more sense. Probably the same reason why they use it in Europe, Canada, Asia, Australia, and pretty much anywhere else developed. If you go to the butcher in Germany and ask for a pound of hamburger, you will get 500 grams, not 16 ounces. I'm sure the Germans probably think it's very cumbersome for everyday life. =)
Yeah, just look at microsoft. They've got funding up the wazoo and they sitll have thousands of bugs in each product that ships. Now imagine your funding is dropping because the public considers your work "unimportant" so your paycheck is shrinking, your hours are growing, the people around you are getting laid off and the amount of code you have to debug is piling up, where you're struggling just to feed your family and you can barely keep your sanity. And yet, if a single bug slips past, you're a demonic failure! How could this ever have happened?! Ye gods! Oh, and when a bug gets past, and causes a multimillion-dollar catastrophe, it's used as an excuse for further underfunding-"see what happens when we put all our money into those crazey space gadgets?"-never minding that that was the problem in the first place.
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A device which contains a crack for DVDs, the code necessary to play DVDs from all regions? I'd keep it and buy another playstation.
And if I could get some of the code onto my computer and analyze it, like they did with bleem, search for the keys, well we could be seeing DeCSS all over again!
Just have to move to Antarctica before distributing so as to avoid legal concerns...or keep to self, heh heh heh
I seriously doubt the "start-up software" for the PSX2 is either a CD or DVD. It would be a new low for consoles to require a separate "start-up disc" when you turn it on. Plus, if the "start-up software" drives the reading of DVDs, how could it be on a DVD?
No, this more likely refers to the BIOS or some other chip inside the console. Which means that you either return your console, or pop the hood and remove the BIOS. (it could also be on a flash card, which goes in an external slot like the memory cards, that way you would never have to take it out to play games, except to upgrade for new features and stuff.)
But once again, I don't know, I don't own one, although I do doubt it would be such a hot item if it req'd a boot disc.
"Put yourself in their position. How can you call suicide selfish, when if you were unable to feed yourself you would probably do it too!" "But they were given a supply a free food!"
If the court rules that the software is illegal, because the basis is a violation of a copyright, which is protected by international treaties. So unless you want to go use your illegally GPL'd derivative of already copyrighted software in Uganda, or wherever they don't have copyright treaties with the US, well those other countries honor that copyright. Similarly if Mattel were, say, a Dutch company and this all went down in Holland, well, the software's GPL-ness would be invalid in the US. We would have to honor the Dutch courts decision because it would be an issue of Dutch copyright. (forgive me if this is a bad example for any reason, I just grabbed a fairly modern European country out of a hat)
This is ultimately moot because the case was settled before the (il)legality of the software status was settled.
Spire's right. Apparently, whoever wrote this program had motives not as pure as the freshly driven snow. Not only does this program show the list of banned sites, but it also provides a list of passwords that allow CyberPatrol to be *disabled*!!!
I can fully understand why they would block any and all instances of this program to paying subscribers. If I purchased this product, I wouldn't want it to be easily disabled.
However, if the software author (hint, hint) were to release a program that *ONLY* shows the list of blocked sites, without providing the passwords that can be used to disable the protection, then I'd be against any effort to block access to it. Sadly, that didn't happen. (hint, hint)
Well, all the sites which were deemed critical of CyberPatrol were blocked, not just the ones with the bypass program. (hint, hint)
If all they blocked out of hand were the sites with the bypass program, it would be no problem because, as you said, a paying customer does not want the software disabled. But the reason for the program in the first place was because Mattel was plugging any site that miffed them.
Right. It's well known that the MPAA imposed self-regulation entirely to avoid "big borther" (and of course now they're all chummy and on the same team, but that's a different story) If a movie has an NC-17 rating, it can be shown to whoever wants be shown it, as far as the law goes. Now, if theaters start letting kids in to NC-17 movies, the MPAA won't like it of course and they will be blacklisted and won't be able to show movies (coming from MPAA member studios) Now, most theaters don't show NC-17 movies because it doesn't look very good and it doesn't get much business (if it's a normal theater). This is entierely differently from a pornographic film which is not rated by MPAA, and has its status as "over 18 only" imposed by law. Notice age for pornos is 18, NC-17s is 17. If they were both enforced by government regulation NC-17 would be NC-18. So Anomalous Canard is right, and I have no clue who I'm really replying to is goofy. Because I'm viewing at 2 threshold. And very tired, starting to type disjointed, you noticed, did? ---------- /me is happy about finally being able to get into NC-17 movies.
Wow, thanks. I've always heard that said, but I never knew what part it was in.
I hate it when people do that. Well, not really hate it, but you know what I mean. Like the homosexuals are damned bit. In my bible reading, which is quite a lot for an a-religious strongly Bhuddist-identifiying teenager, most of whose Christian friends have never even picked up the bible to see what it really says, I never ran across that bit, although I did hit the part where Jesus says that people who are persecuted on his account go to heaven--essentially vindicating homosexuals--in the same speech as the "meek will inherit the earth" in one of the gospels, I wrote down the chapter and verse somewhere but I lost it.
I have a feeling, tho', that if I ever run across what supposedly damns gays, it will say something quite different, exactly like the "eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth" section that was misquoted above.
Maybe I should quit reading random sections sporadically and just go on through from start to finish.
But that aside, I still think it would be fun to "unlist" Mattel from DNSes. Not really as revenge so much as to make an example of the stupidity of their practice of excluding sites speaking out against them. Then hopefully people will realize what they were doing was wrong. Or not, and we could continue to have fun with it indefinitely. They could even take "us" to court despite there being nobody to take to court, really. Everybody who doesn't carry Mattel's website in their DNS as a defendant? Well, then any ISP that doesn't carry a particular newsgroup could just as well be sued. The circulators of the boycott list? Well, if Mattel can sue them for the business Mattel loses by having their site disappear, Mattel could be sued by anybody on the Cyberpatrol list for business they lose for having their site blocked, because they are technically the same, except Mattel.com is still reachable. And we can be sure they would at least try to sue somebody. Oh, what fun!!
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"Direct intercourse with the authorities was never difficult then, for well organized as they might be, all they did was to guard the distant and invisible interests of distant and invisible masters" -Franz Kafka, The Castle
The government can this filter/that blackbox whatever much they want, we can still develop things like ANTIOCH, go outside of 'the internet' and the phone systems and do whatever we want. Hell, we could even go back to using types of computers with protocols, interfaces and formats so antiquated they would have no idea what kind of data we were sending.
And I wonder, is this a documented case of this Mitnik guy or just some vaguely remembered anecdote? Because it's pretty damn hard to lock somebody up for four years without trial or bail for stealing commercial secrets. Maybe military secrets? That I could see. But I've seen cases like this and not even the majorest of major corporations can get that kind of preferential treatment.
Now how did this guy manage to score a 2, with all the stuff he pulled out of his ass? Lincoln did not usurp any states' rights--as I recall those states had voluntarily seceeded, which is not allowed for in the constitution--the constitution of a union which they had voluntarily joined, knowing it had no concessions for secession. From the standpoint of the union they had not seceeded, but were firing their guns at the union forces. This was before slavery was declared illegal that the confederacy began shooting, and they shot first.
NSA only monitors international communications. They do not have clearance or mandate to investigate or monitor domestic communications, nor are they allowed to have other countries' agencies do it for them. That kind of thing is carried out by the FBI, usually, or possibly the CIA.
You seem to think there is nothing more important in life than business, making money and a living and getting what you want materially. Well, that's fine for you but there are those of us who don't look at life that way. I would gladly go to jail for 4 to 6 years if government wanted to put a box on my connection. And I know the next guy down the line would be saying "look at that guy, look at his sacrifice" and figure it was really important, and while some would take the box, others would follow my example or stand out in their own way. And what would the government do, arrest the whole country? Remember, our government stays in power by mind control by getting a majority of people to think it represents them, and when it comes to trying to arrest a majority of citizens to stay in power because they realize a law is bogus and are protesting, it can't be maintained. You can call us clueless students, but antimaterialistic sacrifices can be powerful movers of people--don't you remember the civil rights movement? Or did that never happen, and I'm just making the entire movement up because I'm a clueless student? Did Ghandi never drive the British out of India with hunger stirkes? Jesus did the same type of thing and the majority of the "civilized" world converted to worshiping him for it. So who needs a reality check now?
And who says Tickemaster.com is a member of *any* community? They're a business, they want to make money, not talk with people. Also I've never read any "rules" about hyperlinking, and doubt any exist.
It's called http. You use it, you follow the rules for how it works. Namely, people can link you. If you don't like it, don't use http, because that was your choice in the first place. Or you can build a better mouse trap and script it so they have to enter from your front page, otherwise it won't load. Now they, the linkers, have to follow the "rules" of http and can no longer deep-link. But if either party gets outside intervention, the rules break, the system can no longer stand up, and (eventually) the entire web comes crashing down. This is why we follow the rules of the communities to keep things free--if not for the "rules" governing hyperlinking we call http, there would be no web, and there will be no web in the future without them.
Well, I read my news on Slashdot, yahoo, Time.com, newsweek.com, and Linux.com. The one doesn't exclude the others.
Okay, how does that show that they're not a monopoly? Microsoft is a monopoly and pulls all the same crap, only it's a lot more than 20 minutes. And the MS tax is a lot more than $8.
They're a monopoly because every friggin' event you hear about says "tickets on sale at all Ticketmaster locations". Never heard of any other company in a sentence like that. Case rested.
It's the same thing more or less with security and cracking, and viruses. Major corporations skimp on real security and then just have the law smack down on whoever walks in. It's like, if I never lock the door to my house, or if I leave home with the door wide open, sooner or later somebody's going to wander in. Then they see nobody is around, so they take advantage of this opportunity to lift my stuff. Well, if I really wanted it so bad I would have probably had the sense to lock my door. The law shouldn't waste one cent of taxpayer money going after the guy, he did everyone a favor by teching me a lesson.
Take Melissa. The guy didn't write a bloody virus. It was more of a wake-up call to all of the people bumbling around trusting Microsoft's default insecure settings, saying "Hey, if you're running this crap, you're setting yourself up. They're setting you up." How much data did it destroy? How much data was it intended to destroy? What did it even do at all that was illegal? Sent a few porn site passwords to minors, which it was not even targetted towards because the original recipients were adults. Last I checked writing self-propagating macros, not even code, in and of itself is not illegal. Should not microsoft be sued for leaving this open door for much more insidious purposes to exploit? (can we say "chernobyl?") I think so.
Yeah, but it's "goddamn freaks" who have "fucking cables running out the back of their goddamn heads, brain damage, six webbed goddamn toes on each foot and fucking spock ears" who put people on the goddamn moon, created most of the modern conveniences you use daily like plastics, refrigerators, electric lights, fast, comfy cars, computers, (even if you're using Micro$haft products) and those really nice guns you don't want us to goddamn ban (even tho' most Open Sourcers/hackers I know have are against such a ban and keep guns)
Just so you know, an anarchist is not the same as a communist/socialist, and most of us hackers seem to be anarchists (at heart).
This is actually pretty damn funny: calling us nazis, then saying it's part of the "Jewish Problem". hmmmm...
Okay, now we're getting /lame/.
The United States is the only nation in which the "standard" system is standard, AFAIK. It is at least the only one I can name. 250 million/6 billion = 4.167%, 99% of which is 4.125%. That's 4.125% of people who use "standard" measurement, give or take a percent, for everyday use. Not 99% of people.
I'm not really a scientist, but I try to use metric as much as possible in my day to day life because it makes more sense. Probably the same reason why they use it in Europe, Canada, Asia, Australia, and pretty much anywhere else developed. If you go to the butcher in Germany and ask for a pound of hamburger, you will get 500 grams, not 16 ounces. I'm sure the Germans probably think it's very cumbersome for everyday life. =)
Yeah, just look at microsoft. They've got funding up the wazoo and they sitll have thousands of bugs in each product that ships. Now imagine your funding is dropping because the public considers your work "unimportant" so your paycheck is shrinking, your hours are growing, the people around you are getting laid off and the amount of code you have to debug is piling up, where you're struggling just to feed your family and you can barely keep your sanity.
And yet, if a single bug slips past, you're a demonic failure! How could this ever have happened?! Ye gods!
Oh, and when a bug gets past, and causes a multimillion-dollar catastrophe, it's used as an excuse for further underfunding-"see what happens when we put all our money into those crazey space gadgets?"-never minding that that was the problem in the first place.