In germany there's an ISP called kabeldeutschland that claims 100mbit down 6mbit up (its cable + fiber behind). Except from 6pm to 8am you get less than 1Mbit up/down on every protocol except HTTP. Everyday, no matter how much you downloaded or not (there's no download cap actually).
Quite sucky and probably borderline legal. They documents only say "up to" of course with no mention of the enforced 100k/s limit depending on the time of the day. Their marketing material however, compares their 100mbit versus the 16Mbit of traditional DSL like the best thing since sliced bread. Except the traditional DSL provides 16Mbit on every protocol internet supports regardless of the time of the day, and is therefore much better. (and cheaper!)
You probably forgot to add "in USA" I certainly had management and social training during my engineering studies.
Also I don't think ethics can truly be taught. What can be taught is critical thinking. Usually people end up with good ethics, when they can find out what's right or wrong, not because they're told "that is right and that is wrong, shut up now!".
I find it also ironical how the medical industry, as in pharmaceutics are abusing people to make a lot of money - making a lot of damage - just check how rich they are, for people who are supposed to be caring for others. There's a scandal every now and then about abuses As usual everything is not black and white.
I'd like to point out that education can be perverted. In France school has been established as a population control tool. Sure good education will always work out, and school education is better than none. But unfortunately it's not that simple.
Most schools don't actually encourage critical thinking around here. At best it encourages cheating and skipping home work.
Wow so suddenly if you're an engineer, you see the world as black and white.
But... are you sure you're not the one seeing the world black and white right now? Engineers = black, rest = white is what you've just told (as well as being potential terrorists - i can only laugh at that)
Where are the shades? How'd you get modded Insightful? I would understand Funny. Shall we kill all engineers ? How will you get your morning coffe once you got rid of these oh so limited black sheeps?
i'd just point out that doing technical studies doesn't necessarily make you stupid. thank you very much, boss ! Being a manager seems to be what you declare as success, but might not be everyone's goal. I don't feel greater because I'm the boss of 50 people - but you do.
In fact, almost every acknowledged great mind has been deeply involved into the technical side of things. I'd even argue that philosophy is technical. In fact, everything can be taken on a technical level (how does it work?) and bring interest.
I'd also point out, while i'm at it, that these "clever" bosses usually have no clue how things work - that's not only the top management which you may argue "will have good sub management cause they're so smart" as you seem to idealize them a lot. Having no clue how things work, usually makes it very hard to manage the project properly and end up in screw ups.
Finally, taking things one step higher, I'd be much more comfortable with a leader that has been trained as an engineer and ended up interested into management, politics, whatever, and became for example president. He would have much higher chances to put things into perspective, less corrupt and probably more efficient, as long as he did do his homework to become a leader, compared to someone who has been solely taught how to lead, and to master the language and "humanities".
I suppose history backup this point very strongly as well - as your major should be telling you.
I'll just mention we still don't know what's technically wrong with haystack. such articles are just feeding the news mob. No technical content, just stuff that will create views / ad clicks. Quick! I told you so blame the boy blame other medias ! Oh you wanted real info? Not happening! Yay.
Another example of why I take network news no more seriously than I do blogs,/., BoingBoing, etc.
that's because you know they're wrong here. if you work in several domains, you'll notice quickly that news are wrong in each and every domain they're reporting about. Yet if you're not intimate to the said domain, you can't easily figure out they're saying a lot of wrong stuff. Usually it sounds consistent.
One can then only figure out that if 3/3 news items of one day of the 3 domains he's specialized in are reporting wrong stuff, the other domains are most likely all wrong, too.
You've to take a good distance to get anything of value from news papers/tv/web site news in the end. A distance most will not take.
I suppose that's also why medias are used for population control, it works.
well they claim kraken uses sunspider's test but runs all at once instead of separated startups (roughly..)
the thing is each was the best of their game at release of the benchmark, then others used the benchmark to optimize and beat them if possible for PR of course
i don't think they've given up matching performance according to arewethereyet.com they're getting very near in the last days
post the details as anonymous coward and i wont tell anybody;))
i'm pretty much all for open disclosure. hidden problems are usually ending up worse than open problems.
a solution "in the middle" is just to give a warning a week or so in advance, then release the details. gives enough time for people to protect themselves etc.
In our case I highly suspect that people will not stop using haystack until the service is _truly_ down even after you release details however.
i do believe that authority will eventually get their hands on the details however, as they have a lot of resources, so users won't be safe anyways (?)
so your counter point is "stfu i'm right" well, that's sure is grown up and thought out uh.
i'll recounter with "stfu *i'm* right" to make it all square!
in fact, just like the post i have quoted, you bring no single argument, there is no content.
Then again, that has a name, it's FUD, til there any content.
last bullet: what makes you think I don't post from Iran? what makes you dare thinking Iranians don't want this program to be finished and work as intended?
Once you figured that you, you might figure out that Iranian might also want to know *what* is being complained about, not "trust me i'm right but i'm not telling lalala!".
None of the sources give any clear reason why people should not use this program.
It's a classic of the internet age news. Except a few.. exceptions:
There's never a real source. (source links are links to equally vague articles) There's never a real analysis, god forbid journalism work (each news item is processed in a matter of seconds anyway and only the "wow => ad clicks" effect matters) There's never an explanation. No one cares for the reason, the facts, etc. They just care about a quick "HAHA LOOK THEY SUK (or rok. yeh no C!)", even thus the reasons are always what's really interesting once you're past reading news as pure "quick entertainment"
It happens be it a Slashdot post (community reviewed news), a blog post (well duh, blog posts are made by randoms), a news site (well duh, those aren't real journalists) or journalist (well duh, journalists are a disappearing specie.)
The point is that multiprocess, except for plugins (which is already done) isn't a big advantage at all. They actually implemented it on Fennec, that's Firefox mobile if you prefer, because it would yield an advantage here.
On regular desktops, not so much, in fact, it uses quite some memory. It's not because "others do it" that it's necessarily "teh future embrace or die!".
It also encourage sloppy programming since it's more fault tolerant, chrome tabs crash all the damn time in comparison to firefox which barely ever crashes. Non-plugin code should _never_ crash, ideally.
I'm pretty sure there's a name for this kind of argument, but it's basically a regular fallacy.
Firefox JS performance has nothing to do with being open source. Javascript did not matter for a very long time, it was only used for seldom tiny effects. That's why Firefox JS engine was not super high performance (albeit still much faster than anyone elses at that time), because it would have been seen as totally overkill.
Things have changed and Firefox JS is adapting. Since it's using an old codebase, it's not as quick (it took Apple quite some time to give birth to Nitro, and Google just plain bought V8 tech - as for IE9, we all know it took them time too, it's not yet there.)
And that's all there is. So much for the anti open source FUD btw.
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In germany there's an ISP called kabeldeutschland that claims 100mbit down 6mbit up (its cable + fiber behind).
Except from 6pm to 8am you get less than 1Mbit up/down on every protocol except HTTP. Everyday, no matter how much you downloaded or not (there's no download cap actually).
Quite sucky and probably borderline legal. They documents only say "up to" of course with no mention of the enforced 100k/s limit depending on the time of the day.
Their marketing material however, compares their 100mbit versus the 16Mbit of traditional DSL like the best thing since sliced bread. Except the traditional DSL provides 16Mbit on every protocol internet supports regardless of the time of the day, and is therefore much better. (and cheaper!)
You probably forgot to add "in USA"
I certainly had management and social training during my engineering studies.
Also I don't think ethics can truly be taught. What can be taught is critical thinking. Usually people end up with good ethics, when they can find out what's right or wrong, not because they're told "that is right and that is wrong, shut up now!".
I find it also ironical how the medical industry, as in pharmaceutics are abusing people to make a lot of money - making a lot of damage - just check how rich they are, for people who are supposed to be caring for others. There's a scandal every now and then about abuses
As usual everything is not black and white.
I'd like to point out that education can be perverted. In France school has been established as a population control tool.
Sure good education will always work out, and school education is better than none. But unfortunately it's not that simple.
Most schools don't actually encourage critical thinking around here. At best it encourages cheating and skipping home work.
what no!
terrorists are ugly, dumb little guys that we must eradicate. they're not even humans like us are they?
how could they be smart enough to go learn engineering when they need it? Non-sense!!
Wow so suddenly if you're an engineer, you see the world as black and white.
But ... are you sure you're not the one seeing the world black and white right now?
Engineers = black, rest = white is what you've just told (as well as being potential terrorists - i can only laugh at that)
Where are the shades? How'd you get modded Insightful? I would understand Funny.
Shall we kill all engineers ? How will you get your morning coffe once you got rid of these oh so limited black sheeps?
i'd just point out that doing technical studies doesn't necessarily make you stupid. thank you very much, boss !
Being a manager seems to be what you declare as success, but might not be everyone's goal. I don't feel greater because I'm the boss of 50 people - but you do.
In fact, almost every acknowledged great mind has been deeply involved into the technical side of things. I'd even argue that philosophy is technical. In fact, everything can be taken on a technical level (how does it work?) and bring interest.
I'd also point out, while i'm at it, that these "clever" bosses usually have no clue how things work - that's not only the top management which you may argue "will have good sub management cause they're so smart" as you seem to idealize them a lot.
Having no clue how things work, usually makes it very hard to manage the project properly and end up in screw ups.
Finally, taking things one step higher, I'd be much more comfortable with a leader that has been trained as an engineer and ended up interested into management, politics, whatever, and became for example president.
He would have much higher chances to put things into perspective, less corrupt and probably more efficient, as long as he did do his homework to become a leader, compared to someone who has been solely taught how to lead, and to master the language and "humanities".
I suppose history backup this point very strongly as well - as your major should be telling you.
I'll just mention we still don't know what's technically wrong with haystack. such articles are just feeding the news mob. No technical content, just stuff that will create views / ad clicks. Quick! I told you so blame the boy blame other medias ! Oh you wanted real info? Not happening!
Yay.
Another example of why I take network news no more seriously than I do blogs, /., BoingBoing, etc.
that's because you know they're wrong here. if you work in several domains, you'll notice quickly that news are wrong in each and every domain they're reporting about.
Yet if you're not intimate to the said domain, you can't easily figure out they're saying a lot of wrong stuff. Usually it sounds consistent.
One can then only figure out that if 3/3 news items of one day of the 3 domains he's specialized in are reporting wrong stuff, the other domains are most likely all wrong, too.
You've to take a good distance to get anything of value from news papers/tv/web site news in the end. A distance most will not take.
I suppose that's also why medias are used for population control, it works.
I completed it in 0.00s on the latest FF4.
Also I have NoScript.
Sorry had to.
i think you're going a bit far, ff4 is not slow at all.
well they claim kraken uses sunspider's test but runs all at once instead of separated startups (roughly..)
the thing is each was the best of their game at release of the benchmark, then others used the benchmark to optimize and beat them if possible for PR of course
i don't think they've given up matching performance according to arewethereyet.com they're getting very near in the last days
other benchmarks were released by Apple (sunspider) and Google (v8) (and the last one is actually from Mozilla)
I believe Mozilla is actually always striving for the best of the community unlike the 2 big giants, they've always proved to do so. (afaik!)
Sunspider shows Safari as fastest, V8 Chrome as fastest (at least last I checked), and the Mozilla bench was a more mixed result.
but anyway back to the point, why would you believe Google and Apple and not Mozilla?
post the details as anonymous coward and i wont tell anybody ;))
i'm pretty much all for open disclosure. hidden problems are usually ending up worse than open problems.
a solution "in the middle" is just to give a warning a week or so in advance, then release the details. gives enough time for people to protect themselves etc.
In our case I highly suspect that people will not stop using haystack until the service is _truly_ down even after you release details however.
i do believe that authority will eventually get their hands on the details however, as they have a lot of resources, so users won't be safe anyways (?)
includes slashdot header in the sms for portability /excuses
so your counter point is "stfu i'm right"
well, that's sure is grown up and thought out uh.
i'll recounter with "stfu *i'm* right" to make it all square!
in fact, just like the post i have quoted, you bring no single argument, there is no content.
Then again, that has a name, it's FUD, til there any content.
last bullet: what makes you think I don't post from Iran? what makes you dare thinking Iranians don't want this program to be finished and work as intended?
Once you figured that you, you might figure out that Iranian might also want to know *what* is being complained about, not "trust me i'm right but i'm not telling lalala!".
But I don't hold my horses here.
This post added nothing. Here's the fking key sentence resuming all this text (which i have read and wasted my time on):
"I cant tell you the details; youll have to take it on my word that everyone who learns about them is shocked by their extent."
There you go, it's empty. Nothing is said about the presumed design vulnerability. Nothing. Zero.
Not caring about people references, it sounds like pure FUD to me and the truth is probably elsewhere. With Mulder's sister most likely.
None of the sources give any clear reason why people should not use this program.
It's a classic of the internet age news. Except a few.. exceptions:
There's never a real source. (source links are links to equally vague articles)
There's never a real analysis, god forbid journalism work (each news item is processed in a matter of seconds anyway and only the "wow => ad clicks" effect matters)
There's never an explanation. No one cares for the reason, the facts, etc. They just care about a quick "HAHA LOOK THEY SUK (or rok. yeh no C!)", even thus the reasons are always what's really interesting once you're past reading news as pure "quick entertainment"
It happens be it a Slashdot post (community reviewed news), a blog post (well duh, blog posts are made by randoms), a news site (well duh, those aren't real journalists) or journalist (well duh, journalists are a disappearing specie.)
Pff it's been years and people have yet to realize that 140 characters should be enough to pass the ideas of anyb
+30 insightful it should be :p
actually chrome has a real adblock now
but i'd still stick to firefox for other reasons
The point is that multiprocess, except for plugins (which is already done) isn't a big advantage at all.
They actually implemented it on Fennec, that's Firefox mobile if you prefer, because it would yield an advantage here.
On regular desktops, not so much, in fact, it uses quite some memory. It's not because "others do it" that it's necessarily "teh future embrace or die!".
It also encourage sloppy programming since it's more fault tolerant, chrome tabs crash all the damn time in comparison to firefox which barely ever crashes.
Non-plugin code should _never_ crash, ideally.
should have included it but oh well:
6 FPS , chrome 6.x Linux i7 620M
i'd say firefox is a bit faster. lol.
72 fps , FF4b4 Linux, i7620m
I'm pretty sure there's a name for this kind of argument, but it's basically a regular fallacy.
Firefox JS performance has nothing to do with being open source. Javascript did not matter for a very long time, it was only used for seldom tiny effects. That's why Firefox JS engine was not super high performance (albeit still much faster than anyone elses at that time), because it would have been seen as totally overkill.
Things have changed and Firefox JS is adapting. Since it's using an old codebase, it's not as quick (it took Apple quite some time to give birth to Nitro, and Google just plain bought V8 tech - as for IE9, we all know it took them time too, it's not yet there.)
And that's all there is. So much for the anti open source FUD btw.
I'm using FF on slashdot for ages never had a "slow" feeling o.o