Do you know why it's so easy to own a gun in the US?????
It is for two reasons:
1 We have the largest free-standing militia in the world, this is a added defense of the country.
2 We have the largest free-standing militia in the world, this is an added defense against our own government, and the Constitution gave us the right to bear arms so we could defend ourselves against the government, if say it decided that all people with green eyes should be executed without question.
I grew up in the country where EVERYONE owned several guns, and guess what, we never, ever even let it cross our minds to point a gun at another human being, mainly because our parents drilled this fact into us from 1year old on. The real issue is that in today's society, life is not really all that important. We wipe out pre-borns that are inconvenient, we kill the old that are inconveniant, and now we just kill people that are annoying.
Guns are just another piece of equipment which can be missused. I could also take a truck through a crowded shopping mall and kill even more people than I can with a sub-machinegun.
BTW, every gun they had was illegal.
These people just don't understand how important, and precious life is.
Unlike KDE, GNOME does not include a GWM (Gnome Window Manager), it just needs any window manager (same is true for KDE, so no flames please). The Default window manager for Redhat + Gnome is E, however I'm sure they will do what they have ALWAYS done, you will get the option:
Exit -> Switch to... -> KDE/WindowMaker/E/etc..
And probably (though I am guessing), all but KDE will have the option of running the GNOME Panel.
-- Keith Moore
Will GNOME be Red Hat's downfall?
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Uhm, GNOME supports any language you want, KDE supports C++ (which ANSI has all but killed).
-- Keith Moore
DUH!!!!! (It gets worse)
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If you are interested in a BETA, you are probably not a new user (unless you are looking for a reason to hate Linux), and you know where to find it on the FTP server, or already know about RawHide.
-- Keith Moore
What about Linux Mandrake?
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Can you imagine Microsoft offering the Windows 95 Technology Preview Shell on Windows 3.51 as a commercial server product.
No/usr/adm, not even a link to the/var/log. For those of us who grew up with 'tail/usr/adm/messages/' ingrained in our brainstem, this was annoying. The fix, obviously, is trivial
I assume you are new to RedHat. As per the FSSTND, they had the/var/adm compatibility link for a couple of releases, and then removed it. The Linux standard is/var/log. If you are used to/usr/adm, You have some REAL problems. (/usr became "read-onlyable" a long time ago)
Goddamned runlevels./etc/rc.d is WAY too complicated for any purpose I can realistically see people desiring... and it is nontrivial for administrators to jump between distributions on different machines. The Slakware scheme was more than sufficient. Thankfully, VAResearch includes a cheat-sheet with all of their servers, making the transition easier if you have the means
Sorry, after many years of almost every type of UNIX, I immediatly found the RedHat layout to be the best ever, and hope everyone switches to it. (Hard links suck, BSD is un-maintainable).
The Arch-PAB! The RPM for a later version of afterstep (no wm flames please) that I got FROM THE REDHAT WEB SITE placed the 'afterstep' executable in a different place from RedHat 5.2! Major annoyance to find this, and I suspect there are plenty of other RPMs out there doing similarly nasty (and transparent!) things.
Didn't have this problem. Did you get it from contrib? They are currently not controlled, though RedHat has considered the idea of creating RPM standards.
Wow, I rarely have seen such an act of ignorance in my life. I guess you never heard of rawhide, or 5.9.x (pre6.0) releases. How could you post without at least checking??
They are getting slow??? They release constantly! They only make "final" releases when they stabalize now.
Man, RedHat figures out what it did wrong, fixes the problem with betas/pre releases, and the ignorant still attack them without realizing the major changes they made to help their customers.
Actually, I use a different natural keyboard (can't remember maker, I just went through all the natural keyboards and found the most comfortable), and a standard 3-button cheap mouse on one computer. On the other I have a standard keyboard (kids keyboard, no windows-key) and a logitech cordless mouse. I can say one thing for certain, I am never buying another mouse with a cord. And the nice thing about the mouse is that it's radio based, and the base doesn't have to be too near the mouse, and can be at a different level (mine sits on a shelf to the side and down).
Personally, I've never minded cleaning my mouse about once a year, and I use an ergonomic mouse-pad which I found to have the perfect surface for ball mice.
I will concede, I use a MS Sidewinder pro, best joystick I have ever had, and I have a shelf full of joysticks I've tried (If it wasn't so expensive, I'd swap it with a force-feedback version).
Yes, we owned a TV, however I was allowed to watch perhaps 1 show a week, and we only had 3 channels (no cable). And even though I'm only 26, when I was growing up, people couldn't even say "damn" on TV. Now, well, we have NYPD Blue. (Yes, late night, but still non-premium TV).
And actually, I grew up in the country (Pennsylvania), now I live in a small city in Pennsylvania.
Even the News has gotten so disgusting that I shudder at the stupidity. It's not news, it's an attempt at Shock TV.
And even if the shows are alright, the Commercials are either trying to make my kid covet something he wouldn't even think of owning, or make references to unrelated "questionable" lifestyles.
Get rid of the TV. It just wastes your time and mental ability anyway. You can get the News off the Web, and waste just as much time on a computer, but at least you have to think a little more than staring at a blinking screen.
And yes, I have gotten rid of mine (Mostly for my children's sake though)
However, I have seen several places with UNIX and NT. And most of them are like the one I work for now:
There are 25+ UNIX Boxes (Servers + workstations), and 3 Admins (actually 2, with an open position). We easily keep up with the servers (most time being upgrades, not troubleshooting).
There are approx the same # of NT servers, and there are 6 Admins, (All MSCEs), and they have trouble keeping the boxes running and get support from our group AND Network services to maintain the boxes.
This doesn't include the extra groups for the desktops.
While the UNIX Admins cost a little more than the NT Admins (not much anymore, NT guys get extra $$ becuase their OS's owner has his face on TIME more often, which is more important to PHB's), we don't need nearly as many of them.
If you think that you are working to hard for a volunteer position, just unvolunteer. They say it's not worth the 21.95, then stop volunteering, lose the free account and pay for the account. I don't see how AOL was holding a gun to thier head.
I love the line:
When asked for compensation, AOL rejected, and removed the free account.
NO KIDDING They noticed someone who volunteered for a job, then said "Hey, why don't you pay me for all the time I spent on this".
You know what, I think I'm going back to my 4H leader and insist he pay me for the time I spent cleaning up the show rooms and barns. Not to mention the Red Cross for the times I donated time to a phone marathon.
And no, there IS NO Difference, if You volunteer for something, you are makeing a verbal contract that you are not going to ask for compensation. You want to ask them to HIRE YOU, that's different.
I'm sorry, but I've installed a lot of systems, and in general, with 95/98/NT/00 I end up having to go to the manufacturer's site (or use the included floppy if, on the rare case, it's not currupted). With Linux, since 2.0.x, I haven't come across a card that hasn't been supported out of the box. (Okay, there was the GB card, but 95/NT didn't even know what it was). I'm even including notebooks (PCMCIA/PC Card) and Compaq's (with those built-in TLAN cards, or more recently tweaked Intel cards). I'm sorry, but my experience is not the same as yours. (Trust me, I get REAL annoyed when I get NT installed and realize it doesn't like the Network card, and the network drivers from the site are about 2k bigger than a floppy). -- Keith Moore
The jokes would have been much more interesting if every idiot who wanted to prove he had at least one brain cell left didn't go crying out "Oh, it's joke!".
Think of how much more enjoyable it would have been if EVERY post treated it as true.
More proof that the intelligence and humor of the internet is dead.
-- Keith Moore
Duh, that was awk, dammit. forgot to mention.
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I hope most people recognized the language, or I'm going to lose faith in/.
---- For example, for the author to claim he is quoting "one of Linux's most ardent supports", when he is quoting a MS executive's trial testimony is bogus. MicroSoft doesn't support Linux, although they do want to say that someone could be considered a competitor to them. Yes, MicroSoft is being bogus also, but what MicroSoft does is irrelevant and can't excuse what Linux supporters do. ----
Uhm, I'm hoping you are the only one that didn't get the irony of the statement. It was not saying he was a supporter, it was irony. That is how Authors get a point across. Perhaps a return to Lit. 101 would help you with that.
There was no FUD about MS, just facts. The closest thing is the conjecture that W2K will suck, and be different than W64. I don't doubt the code will split, Will MS do a better job with compatibility? We'll have to wait and see, though since they are both flat models, as you point out, the issues should be much easier. Of course the sheer size of the code base makes simple things much more difficult.
And as per cost/labor, there are still quite a few UNIX admins out there, it's just that since it's harder to lie about knowing UNIX (you get found out quicker) the number of available Admins is not as bloated as NT.
Interview: PHB: So, you know NT?
APPLICANT: Yeah, see... click-click-click.
PHB: Wow, you're hired.
3 months later: UNIX Admin: Uhm, why are your servers routing IP traffic?
NT Newbie: What do you mean by that? Which button should I click to find out?
I agree, Sorry, it's common terminology, however it would be more accurate to say socialist (Money by Need) and capitalist (Money by talent/willingness to work for it, luck)
Of course, if you cut taxes, we would have money to get our OWN T1.
Oh, that's right the liberals want to give all the money to the government, who will decide who DESERVES a T-1 (heaven forbid it be the ones who earned the money).
All I can say is, "Atlas Shrugged". -- Keith Moore
2). All he did was give us pure freedom of choice, what the FSF is all about, what we constantly fight for he gave us, now you are mad that we made the wrong choice. And don't you DARE tell me that after a few hundred years you wouldn't have grabbed the apple, because you would have.
3). Maybe he was bored, why else create the Universe? Still doesn't change the facts.
(I feel like the Spanish Inquisition Sketch, I started with "Two Things:") -- Keith Moore
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Do you know why it's so easy to own a gun in the US?????
It is for two reasons:
1 We have the largest free-standing militia in the world, this is a added defense of the country.
2 We have the largest free-standing militia in the world, this is an added defense against our own government, and the Constitution gave us the right to bear arms so we could defend ourselves against the government, if say it decided that all people with green eyes should be executed without question.
-- Keith Moore
I grew up in the country where EVERYONE owned several guns, and guess what, we never, ever even let it cross our minds to point a gun at another human being, mainly because our parents drilled this fact into us from 1year old on. The real issue is that in today's society, life is not really all that important. We wipe out pre-borns that are inconvenient, we kill the old that are inconveniant, and now we just kill people that are annoying.
Guns are just another piece of equipment which can be missused. I could also take a truck through a crowded shopping mall and kill even more people than I can with a sub-machinegun.
BTW, every gun they had was illegal .
These people just don't understand how important, and precious life is.
-- Keith Moore
Unlike KDE, GNOME does not include a GWM (Gnome Window Manager), it just needs any window manager (same is true for KDE, so no flames please). The Default window manager for Redhat + Gnome is E, however I'm sure they will do what they have ALWAYS done, you will get the option:
Exit -> Switch to... -> KDE/WindowMaker/E/etc..
And probably (though I am guessing), all but KDE will have the option of running the GNOME Panel.
-- Keith Moore
Uhm, GNOME supports any language you want, KDE supports C++ (which ANSI has all but killed).
-- Keith Moore
If you are interested in a BETA, you are probably not a new user (unless you are looking for a reason to hate Linux), and you know where to find it on the FTP server, or already know about RawHide.
-- Keith Moore
Can you imagine Microsoft offering the Windows 95 Technology Preview Shell on Windows 3.51 as a commercial server product.
They did, they called it NT4.0.
-- Keith Moore
No /usr/adm, not even a link to the /var/log. For those of us who grew up with 'tail /usr/adm/messages/' ingrained in our brainstem, this was annoying. The fix, obviously, is trivial
/var/adm compatibility link for a couple of releases, and then removed it. The Linux standard is /var/log. If you are used to /usr/adm, You have some REAL problems. (/usr became "read-onlyable" a long time ago)
/etc/rc.d is WAY too complicated for any purpose I can realistically see people desiring ... and it is nontrivial for administrators to jump between distributions on different machines. The Slakware scheme was more than sufficient. Thankfully, VAResearch includes a cheat-sheet with all of their servers, making the transition easier if you have the means
I assume you are new to RedHat. As per the FSSTND, they had the
Goddamned runlevels.
Sorry, after many years of almost every type of UNIX, I immediatly found the RedHat layout to be the best ever, and hope everyone switches to it. (Hard links suck, BSD is un-maintainable).
The Arch-PAB! The RPM for a later version of afterstep (no wm flames please) that I got FROM THE REDHAT WEB SITE placed the 'afterstep' executable in a different place from RedHat 5.2! Major annoyance to find this, and I suspect there are plenty of other RPMs out there doing similarly nasty (and transparent!) things.
Didn't have this problem. Did you get it from contrib? They are currently not controlled, though RedHat has considered the idea of creating RPM standards.
-- Keith Moore
Wow, I rarely have seen such an act of ignorance in my life. I guess you never heard of rawhide, or 5.9.x (pre6.0) releases. How could you post without at least checking??
They are getting slow??? They release constantly! They only make "final" releases when they stabalize now.
Man, RedHat figures out what it did wrong, fixes the problem with betas/pre releases, and the ignorant still attack them without realizing the major changes they made to help their customers.
-- Keith Moore
Actually, I use a different natural keyboard (can't remember maker, I just went through all the natural keyboards and found the most comfortable), and a standard 3-button cheap mouse on one computer. On the other I have a standard keyboard (kids keyboard, no windows-key) and a logitech cordless mouse. I can say one thing for certain, I am never buying another mouse with a cord. And the nice thing about the mouse is that it's radio based, and the base doesn't have to be too near the mouse, and can be at a different level (mine sits on a shelf to the side and down).
Personally, I've never minded cleaning my mouse about once a year, and I use an ergonomic mouse-pad which I found to have the perfect surface for ball mice.
I will concede, I use a MS Sidewinder pro, best joystick I have ever had, and I have a shelf full of joysticks I've tried (If it wasn't so expensive, I'd swap it with a force-feedback version).
-- Keith Moore
Why do you assume I had and watched TV?
Yes, we owned a TV, however I was allowed to watch perhaps 1 show a week, and we only had 3 channels (no cable). And even though I'm only 26, when I was growing up, people couldn't even say "damn" on TV. Now, well, we have NYPD Blue. (Yes, late night, but still non-premium TV).
And actually, I grew up in the country (Pennsylvania), now I live in a small city in Pennsylvania.
Even the News has gotten so disgusting that I shudder at the stupidity. It's not news, it's an attempt at Shock TV.
And even if the shows are alright, the Commercials are either trying to make my kid covet something he wouldn't even think of owning, or make references to unrelated "questionable" lifestyles.
-- Keith Moore
Get rid of the TV. It just wastes your time and mental ability anyway. You can get the News off the Web, and waste just as much time on a computer, but at least you have to think a little more than staring at a blinking screen.
And yes, I have gotten rid of mine (Mostly for my children's sake though)
-- Keith Moore
You read a well informed, useful article, and the only response you come up with is: "Katz Sux".
-- Keith Moore
You are right.
However, I have seen several places with UNIX and NT. And most of them are like the one I work for now:
There are 25+ UNIX Boxes (Servers + workstations), and 3 Admins (actually 2, with an open position). We easily keep up with the servers (most time being upgrades, not troubleshooting).
There are approx the same # of NT servers, and there are 6 Admins, (All MSCEs), and they have trouble keeping the boxes running and get support from our group AND Network services to maintain the boxes.
This doesn't include the extra groups for the desktops.
While the UNIX Admins cost a little more than the NT Admins (not much anymore, NT guys get extra $$ becuase their OS's owner has his face on TIME more often, which is more important to PHB's), we don't need nearly as many of them.
-- Keith Moore
I would guess I was just shy of 20k lines of C++ and Java (with some C sprinkled in for old-times sake).
However, it appears most people here are including scripting with programming, in that case I am WELL over 20k using awk, shell, and tcl/Tk.
-- Keith Moore
If you think that you are working to hard for a volunteer position, just unvolunteer. They say it's not worth the 21.95, then stop volunteering, lose the free account and pay for the account. I don't see how AOL was holding a gun to thier head.
I love the line:
When asked for compensation, AOL rejected, and removed the free account.
NO KIDDING They noticed someone who volunteered for a job, then said "Hey, why don't you pay me for all the time I spent on this".
You know what, I think I'm going back to my 4H leader and insist he pay me for the time I spent cleaning up the show rooms and barns. Not to mention the Red Cross for the times I donated time to a phone marathon.
And no, there IS NO Difference, if You volunteer for something, you are makeing a verbal contract that you are not going to ask for compensation. You want to ask them to HIRE YOU, that's different.
-- Keith Moore
I'm sorry, but I've installed a lot of systems, and in general, with 95/98/NT/00 I end up having to go to the manufacturer's site (or use the included floppy if, on the rare case, it's not currupted). With Linux, since 2.0.x, I haven't come across a card that hasn't been supported out of the box. (Okay, there was the GB card, but 95/NT didn't even know what it was). I'm even including notebooks (PCMCIA/PC Card) and Compaq 's (with those built-in TLAN cards, or more recently tweaked Intel cards). I'm sorry, but my experience is not the same as yours. (Trust me, I get REAL annoyed when I get NT installed and realize it doesn't like the Network card, and the network drivers from the site are about 2k bigger than a floppy).
-- Keith Moore
SCO Finally got out of that deal, since it required that they continue being compatible with Xenix.
-- Keith Moore
The jokes would have been much more interesting if every idiot who wanted to prove he had at least one brain cell left didn't go crying out "Oh, it's joke!".
Think of how much more enjoyable it would have been if EVERY post treated it as true.
More proof that the intelligence and humor of the internet is dead.
-- Keith Moore
I hope most people recognized the language, or I'm going to lose faith in /.
-- Keith Moore
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For example, for the author to claim he is quoting "one of Linux's most ardent supports", when he is quoting a MS executive's trial testimony is bogus. MicroSoft doesn't support Linux, although they do want to say that someone could be considered a competitor to them. Yes, MicroSoft is being bogus also, but what MicroSoft does is irrelevant and can't excuse what Linux supporters do.
----
Uhm, I'm hoping you are the only one that didn't get the irony of the statement. It was not saying he was a supporter, it was irony. That is how Authors get a point across. Perhaps a return to Lit. 101 would help you with that.
There was no FUD about MS, just facts. The closest thing is the conjecture that W2K will suck, and be different than W64. I don't doubt the code will split, Will MS do a better job with compatibility? We'll have to wait and see, though since they are both flat models, as you point out, the issues should be much easier. Of course the sheer size of the code base makes simple things much more difficult.
And as per cost/labor, there are still quite a few UNIX admins out there, it's just that since it's harder to lie about knowing UNIX (you get found out quicker) the number of available Admins is not as bloated as NT.
Interview:
PHB: So, you know NT?
APPLICANT: Yeah, see... click-click-click.
PHB: Wow, you're hired.
3 months later:
UNIX Admin: Uhm, why are your servers routing IP traffic?
NT Newbie: What do you mean by that? Which button should I click to find out?
-- Keith Moore
I agree, Sorry, it's common terminology, however it would be more accurate to say socialist (Money by Need) and capitalist (Money by talent/willingness to work for it, luck)
-- Keith Moore
Actually, yes cutting taxes would be enough for me, However, that's the whole point, since I make money, I'm EVIL.
-- Keith Moore
Of course, if you cut taxes, we would have money to get our OWN T1.
Oh, that's right the liberals want to give all the money to the government, who will decide who DESERVES a T-1 (heaven forbid it be the ones who earned the money).
All I can say is, "Atlas Shrugged".
-- Keith Moore
The scary thing is that I made reference to Monty Python also, and I hadn't seen this post yet ;^)
-- Keith Moore
Three things:
1). Is it unfair that he gave us life?
2). All he did was give us pure freedom of choice, what the FSF is all about, what we constantly fight for he gave us, now you are mad that we made the wrong choice. And don't you DARE tell me that after a few hundred years you wouldn't have grabbed the apple, because you would have.
3). Maybe he was bored, why else create the Universe? Still doesn't change the facts.
(I feel like the Spanish Inquisition Sketch, I started with "Two Things:")
-- Keith Moore