Ok, I'm all for yet another distribution... and I think Corel has the punch to pull it off. What I really want is a distribution that is friendly, simple, and pretty enough that my mom will go get it, install it, and run it.
Right now we have several niches... Slackware for the "I want to do it all myself" hardcore type, redhat and mandrake for the middle of the crowd bunch who either don't have the time or inclination or just plain want a "push button" install but still want a nice hackerish system, and debian for the long-haired suspender-wearing "here's a nickel, kid, buy yourself a better computer" crowd that wants an easy to build, clean system with all the power and a lot less glitz. What we still don't have (although redhat and mandrake seem to be trying to get there) is a distribution for our moms. Maybe Corel can fill that niche, maybe not, but at the very minimum anything they do to move towards that is good for the linux community as a whole.
Best of all, if Corel just manages to pull it off my mom just might quit calling me and asking me to troubleshoot her windows problems.:)
Ok, that's a valid issue then... if a moderator is receiving a lot of negative M2 feedback, and they don't get informed about which posts are generating that negative feedback, they can hardly be expected to learn from that.
It would be nice if there were a way to review the history of your metamoderation so that you could see which of your moderation choices others disagreed with or agreed with.
I'm not crazy about M2. My karma has dropped about 20 points entirely as a result of metamoderation. now I realize there are more important things to worry about than karma, but at this rate I'll lose moderation priviledges in a week and start getting a -1 penalty on my comments in two weeks. The result is I'll just not moderate as much as I would otherwise.
Just a question here (and not meant to be flamebait) but do you think that you're continuously losing karma because your moderation practices are at fault?
Now granted, I don't know who moderates what, but whenever I metamoderate I try to concentrate on "agreeing" instead of "disagreeing", however if there is a moderation that I see that seems to be a blatant error I'll disagree with it.
I submit to you that perhaps that what you're seeing is M2 moderation working like it's supposed to?
Well, I for one think the 20% is a bad idea. If you limit it to 20%, the chances that you have a comment worth moderating which shows up in that subset is getting a little thin. You'll then have moderators with these points to spend, nothing worthwhile to spend them on, and they'll end up using them in less effective places just to use them up.
Someone a while back in this thread mentioned a few things that I thought were really great ideas... if you happen to get the call for moderator duty, you shouldn't display any scores for the posts. That way, each moderator will be unbiased by each other's opinions and would be expected to go with their own inclinations.
I also agree with removing the numeric karma rating and just showing a positive/negative indicator... perhaps a little "thumbs up" or "thumbs down" icon or some other cutesy graphic.
Now let's get nice and dirty. Solaris is up to what, 2.7? After being SunOS 4.1.13. (Not sure on version number here, feel free to correct.) And still has bugs. Just recently IBM released OS/390 Version 2, Release 8. A followup to Version 2, Release 7
First off, Solaris 8 is approaching (or in) early access (it rocks, btw). Second off, surely you're not claiming that just because AIX (ugh... it hurts just to type those letters) has a higher version number that it's better?
"This one goes all the way to 11, it's one louder".
I really don't know what you've been smoking, but the concept that AIX has been "whipping Sun's ass" is ludicrous. Sun has the number one position in Unix server market share, is the platform of choice for scalability, and is FAR more palatable to just about every sysadmin I know than that evil bastardization AIX.
You're also forgetting that E-Business is where it's at right now. Sun is dominating the E business scene and the Netscape/AOL/Sun alliance just makes it that much more deadly. Why do you think Sun's a target? Because they're at the top, you yoyo.
IBM may have "invented" the mainframe, but they got their clocks cleaned by people willing to move faster, work harder, and play smarter. They lost the burgeoning PC market to Microsoft, and the high-end server market to Sun and HP.
Personally, I'd be much more afraid of HP than of IBM, if I were in charge of Sun.
Maybe I don't get the whole deal here, but isn't this just "yet another ripper/mp3 player" etc. etc. etc?
I've got about a half-dozen of these already, so why is the fact that Real has one big news? I've got several for both Linux and Solaris, and the fact that Real networks is now releasing their own is supposed to be a big deal? Well, it does have one thing I don't, it can encode to G2 format... *yawn*. As if I'd ever want to do that in the first place.
Oh, and the part about paying for "higher encoding rates"... puhleeze.
Hello, ever heard of the strongARM? That's what the empeg runs on... and, IIRC, that's what Corel's Netwinder uses for a CPU as well. I've even seen (and played with) linux running on my pilot. Statements like this, (about the Intel chip requirement) just show ignorance and apathy.
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Ok, I'm all for yet another distribution... and I think Corel has the punch to pull it off. What I really want is a distribution that is friendly, simple, and pretty enough that my mom will go get it, install it, and run it.
:)
Right now we have several niches... Slackware for the "I want to do it all myself" hardcore type, redhat and mandrake for the middle of the crowd bunch who either don't have the time or inclination or just plain want a "push button" install but still want a nice hackerish system, and debian for the long-haired suspender-wearing "here's a nickel, kid, buy yourself a better computer" crowd that wants an easy to build, clean system with all the power and a lot less glitz. What we still don't have (although redhat and mandrake seem to be trying to get there) is a distribution for our moms. Maybe Corel can fill that niche, maybe not, but at the very minimum anything they do to move towards that is good for the linux community as a whole.
Best of all, if Corel just manages to pull it off my mom just might quit calling me and asking me to troubleshoot her windows problems.
-- Gary F.
Ok, that's a valid issue then... if a moderator is receiving a lot of negative M2 feedback, and they don't get informed about which posts are generating that negative feedback, they can hardly be expected to learn from that.
It would be nice if there were a way to review the history of your metamoderation so that you could see which of your moderation choices others disagreed with or agreed with.
-- Gary F.
I'm not crazy about M2. My karma has dropped about 20 points entirely as a result of metamoderation. now I realize there are more important things to worry about than karma, but at this rate I'll lose moderation priviledges in a week and start getting a -1 penalty on my comments in two weeks. The result is I'll just not moderate as much as I would otherwise.
Just a question here (and not meant to be flamebait) but do you think that you're continuously losing karma because your moderation practices are at fault?
Now granted, I don't know who moderates what, but whenever I metamoderate I try to concentrate on "agreeing" instead of "disagreeing", however if there is a moderation that I see that seems to be a blatant error I'll disagree with it.
I submit to you that perhaps that what you're seeing is M2 moderation working like it's supposed to?
-- Gary F.
Well, I for one think the 20% is a bad idea. If you limit it to 20%, the chances that you have a comment worth moderating which shows up in that subset is getting a little thin. You'll then have moderators with these points to spend, nothing worthwhile to spend them on, and they'll end up using them in less effective places just to use them up.
Someone a while back in this thread mentioned a few things that I thought were really great ideas... if you happen to get the call for moderator duty, you shouldn't display any scores for the posts. That way, each moderator will be unbiased by each other's opinions and would be expected to go with their own inclinations.
I also agree with removing the numeric karma rating and just showing a positive/negative indicator... perhaps a little "thumbs up" or "thumbs down" icon or some other cutesy graphic.
-- Gary F.
Now let's get nice and dirty. Solaris is up to what, 2.7? After being SunOS 4.1.13. (Not sure on version number here, feel free to correct.) And still has bugs. Just recently IBM released OS/390 Version 2, Release 8. A followup to Version 2, Release 7
First off, Solaris 8 is approaching (or in) early access (it rocks, btw). Second off, surely you're not claiming that just because AIX (ugh... it hurts just to type those letters) has a higher version number that it's better?
"This one goes all the way to 11, it's one louder".
I really don't know what you've been smoking, but the concept that AIX has been "whipping Sun's ass" is ludicrous. Sun has the number one position in Unix server market share, is the platform of choice for scalability, and is FAR more palatable to just about every sysadmin I know than that evil bastardization AIX.
You're also forgetting that E-Business is where it's at right now. Sun is dominating the E business scene and the Netscape/AOL/Sun alliance just makes it that much more deadly. Why do you think Sun's a target? Because they're at the top, you yoyo.
IBM may have "invented" the mainframe, but they got their clocks cleaned by people willing to move faster, work harder, and play smarter. They lost the burgeoning PC market to Microsoft, and the high-end server market to Sun and HP.
Personally, I'd be much more afraid of HP than of IBM, if I were in charge of Sun.
Maybe I don't get the whole deal here, but isn't this just "yet another ripper/mp3 player" etc. etc. etc?
I've got about a half-dozen of these already, so why is the fact that Real has one big news? I've got several for both Linux and Solaris, and the fact that Real networks is now releasing their own is supposed to be a big deal? Well, it does have one thing I don't, it can encode to G2 format... *yawn*. As if I'd ever want to do that in the first place.
Oh, and the part about paying for "higher encoding rates"... puhleeze.
-- Foz
Hello, ever heard of the strongARM? That's what the empeg runs on... and, IIRC, that's what Corel's Netwinder uses for a CPU as well. I've even seen (and played with) linux running on my pilot. Statements like this, (about the Intel chip requirement) just show ignorance and apathy.
I generally ignore all Katz articles,
but I'm glad this one made it past the filters.
I think it was insightful, entertaining, and
well-written.
Jon caught the inherent feel of what it means to
be a geek; the sometimes hopeless feelings as well
as the aspirations and dreams.
There's a little Jesse and Eric in nearly all of
us and he did a good job bringing that point home.