I'm sorry, but trademark is not a question of GPL or OSS. The right to share code doesn't equal open trademarks. Redhat has every right to defend their trademarks, which is their name and logos. Would you want to create something and then have people sell a shoddy version of it while claiming it was your product? Let's examine your claims, huh?
1) That's right, except for parody uses (Thank Ghod for the 1st Amendment!). You can't use their name to sell your product. No one but an idiot would think that has anything to do with source code. They're not suing Mandrake even though I know they say 'based off Redhat'. But try to sell an Official Redhat distribution when you're not, and I hope you get sued.
2) OSS fanatics and developers aren't going to be violating trademarks. Trademarks mean claiming something's 'official Redhat' or using their name as an endorsement or something, not borrowing their code. Pirates are the only one who'll have any problem with this.
3) Again, there's no connection. Using their code isn't a trademark violation. Claiming something is by Redhat when it's not is a violation, and any decent OSS developer wouldn't do that. As for the GPL, if you read their S-1 filing you'd find out they are already concerned about publicity. The kiss of death would be for them to violate the GPL. Every user out there would stop using Redhat and contribute heavily for the lawsuit against them.
4) They've never claimed they are Linux. They don't have a beef with Mandrake and the other Redhat-based distributions, so why are you being so paranoid?
5) OSS will survive no matter what happens. That's why it's survived so far when for a long time only a few people used it - market share doesn't matter when it's pretty much free and everything's open. This competition is over whether Linux gains the mainstream, I repeat mainstream server and desktop status.
I mean, I've got my gripes with Redhat (about QA testing), but really, get a clue. They're not going to be the next Microsoft, and if you want Linux to take off, that means money. An IPO is a way to get that money. I hope everything goes well for them, and I just might make a small investment when this comes around.
Quoting directly from Redhat's S-1 filing, "We are currently investigating possible infringement claims against a third party in France whom we believe has misappropriated our tradename and trademarks." Anybody know who this is?
Little off-topic, but I've thought of countersuits against the cities as well. The argument I've seen has been: Well, criminals get their hands on these guns, so pay us for the damages! Why not ask for the cost of every crime gun ownership has prevented?
Let's start out small. In those poor, barbaric (What? I consider being helpless to be barbaric) nations such as much of Europe where gun ownership is restricted to maybe a few pop guns, 50% of home robberies are 'hot', where the robbers deliberately burst in when there's someone home in order to steal more money. Not surprisingly, more innocent people get hurt when this happens and more gets stolen (I myself carry a fair amount of cash in my wallet.) 10% of robberies in the US are 'hot', and most of those are in poor neighborhoods against families unlikely to defend themselves. Sociologists have asked criminals, and they're afraid to get shot! If they try hot robberies in the US, they're more likely to get stopped by the homeowners than caught by the police. Find the average cost for property and medical for hot robberies versus cold, assume 40% more robberies would be hot without widespread gun ownership and sue for the price differential. And that's just a beginning.
And yeah, to get this back on topic, when it comes out in the US that similar domestic spying is occuring, what's going to keep the politicans honest with the votes and prevent them from saying, "Piss off! We've got the Army!"? Widespread gun ownership. You wanta try to take over a heavily armed country? Every other unarmed democracy sooner or later sinks into tyranny. Germany? Hah. Britain? Not recently, but just think of all those kings, and the way it's going there recently I'm afraid it's not that far off. That oft-mentioned ideal of Japan, where all the citizens are nice and kind to each other and don't use guns? Having seen it, it's a lovely country, and I hate to break it to you, but Japan was a military dictatorship (Emperor aside) until we bombed it into submission!
So in conclusion, if you don't want domestic spying going on in your country, vote the politicians out of power who try to pull this crap, and own guns, so they'll actually leave. Yeah, and drink mocha in the morning, and you'll write like this too.
I saw him give a reading at Vromans in South. Cal. 'Thin and hungry' indeed. Very dry voice. I can still think back and hear him reading about Captain Crunch.
I asked him, and apparently, he originally wanted to add two other subplots to 'Cryptonomicon', but he was advised the printing machines couldn't handle the manuscript if he did that. Someone else asked him about 'In The Beginning was the Command Line', and he replied that text was in some deep way just better than simply graphics.
And yeah, when it came time for the signing, I snatched a Beanie Baby penguin, the only one I'll ever buy, and asked if he could sign it. The Vromans staff was nonplussed but game, he quizzed me on my choice of Linux distribution and the penguin was signed (as well as the book.)
For those of us down in Southern Cal, he's giving a reading at... Vromans, I think. It's this Friday, and he'll be signing Cryptocomicon plus one other. I'm bringing my beat-up copy of Snow Crash, and I'm really tempted to bring up Slashdot when I see him.
So. I'm not the only one of our generation (17 personally) who's noticed this.
I've seen some real life examples of this. High schooler asking in history class, "Who won World War II?" Different person, asking who we fought during it. And these are the people who actually CARE enough to ask! Forget the fact that any literate person should know these answers. Just think of how many high schoolers are secure in their ignorance: "I wasn't alive, so it doesn't matter". Bah humbug. Hell, how many teenagers read the newspaper beyond maybe the sports or comic sections. TV news is no substitute, and an understanding of current events is necessary for anyone.
On the other hand, this 'the younger generation is doomed!' sentiment's been around for a while. I read a reference to a text condemning the teenagers of the period as 'lazy and shiftless, each generation knowing less than the previous generation' along with dire prophecies of the doom of society. Only thing was, the author was Babylonian. Our generation will pull it together sooner or later. Those who do will grow up to make money and/or live fulfilling lives. Those who don't will sit on their ass and watch TV. And the cycle will repeat itself for our children..
Personally, I think lawsuits like this should be thrown out and HUGE punitive damages be incurred against the plaintiffs as well as disbarrment for the lawyers. The last would probably be the most effective, as the plaintiffs probably don't have much assets anyways. No blood from stones, eh?
Black helicopters? Please. There's other reasons to dislike the UN, such as their support of censorship.
I found this on civilliberty.miningco.com. Basically, the UN is strongly against the idea of legalized drugs. So much that their INBC (International Narcotics Control Board) feels that any inducement to take drugs, even calls for legalization, are illegal and should be punished by prosecution. The relevant article is right here.
And yeah, as soon as I'm 18, I'm registering with the Libertarian Party. Not one of my friends, even the Democratic ones, are going to vote for that putz Gore. Blame his wife, censorious puritan that she is, blame his wacko environmental ideas, but he's dead meat.
MS Visual C++ Professional. For serious users, right?
The NT machines in our high school labs choke and die on VC++. It's rather sad to see. And they're from the same company. That should dispel any ideas about 'lack of credit' and compatibility out of shrinkwrap.
You've met the wrong kinda women, then. My very non-geek girl fully supports me about what I do with computers, mostly because I try not to talk shop at her while not talking down either. She even thinks my nickname is 'cute'. Just keep looking..
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Let's examine your claims, huh?
1) That's right, except for parody uses (Thank Ghod for the 1st Amendment!). You can't use their name to sell your product. No one but an idiot would think that has anything to do with source code. They're not suing Mandrake even though I know they say 'based off Redhat'. But try to sell an Official Redhat distribution when you're not, and I hope you get sued.
2) OSS fanatics and developers aren't going to be violating trademarks. Trademarks mean claiming something's 'official Redhat' or using their name as an endorsement or something, not borrowing their code. Pirates are the only one who'll have any problem with this.
3) Again, there's no connection. Using their code isn't a trademark violation. Claiming something is by Redhat when it's not is a violation, and any decent OSS developer wouldn't do that. As for the GPL, if you read their S-1 filing you'd find out they are already concerned about publicity. The kiss of death would be for them to violate the GPL. Every user out there would stop using Redhat and contribute heavily for the lawsuit against them.
4) They've never claimed they are Linux. They don't have a beef with Mandrake and the other Redhat-based distributions, so why are you being so paranoid?
5) OSS will survive no matter what happens. That's why it's survived so far when for a long time only a few people used it - market share doesn't matter when it's pretty much free and everything's open. This competition is over whether Linux gains the mainstream, I repeat mainstream server and desktop status.
I mean, I've got my gripes with Redhat (about QA testing), but really, get a clue. They're not going to be the next Microsoft, and if you want Linux to take off, that means money. An IPO is a way to get that money. I hope everything goes well for them, and I just might make a small investment when this comes around.
Quoting directly from Redhat's S-1 filing, "We are currently investigating possible infringement claims against a third party in France whom we believe has misappropriated our tradename and trademarks."
Anybody know who this is?
Little off-topic, but I've thought of countersuits against the cities as well. The argument I've seen has been: Well, criminals get their hands on these guns, so pay us for the damages! Why not ask for the cost of every crime gun ownership has prevented?
Let's start out small. In those poor, barbaric (What? I consider being helpless to be barbaric) nations such as much of Europe where gun ownership is restricted to maybe a few pop guns, 50% of home robberies are 'hot', where the robbers deliberately burst in when there's someone home in order to steal more money. Not surprisingly, more innocent people get hurt when this happens and more gets stolen (I myself carry a fair amount of cash in my wallet.) 10% of robberies in the US are 'hot', and most of those are in poor neighborhoods against families unlikely to defend themselves. Sociologists have asked criminals, and they're afraid to get shot! If they try hot robberies in the US, they're more likely to get stopped by the homeowners than caught by the police. Find the average cost for property and medical for hot robberies versus cold, assume 40% more robberies would be hot without widespread gun ownership and sue for the price differential. And that's just a beginning.
And yeah, to get this back on topic, when it comes out in the US that similar domestic spying is occuring, what's going to keep the politicans honest with the votes and prevent them from saying, "Piss off! We've got the Army!"? Widespread gun ownership. You wanta try to take over a heavily armed country? Every other unarmed democracy sooner or later sinks into tyranny. Germany? Hah. Britain? Not recently, but just think of all those kings, and the way it's going there recently I'm afraid it's not that far off. That oft-mentioned ideal of Japan, where all the citizens are nice and kind to each other and don't use guns? Having seen it, it's a lovely country, and I hate to break it to you, but Japan was a military dictatorship (Emperor aside) until we bombed it into submission!
So in conclusion, if you don't want domestic spying going on in your country, vote the politicians out of power who try to pull this crap, and own guns, so they'll actually leave. Yeah, and drink mocha in the morning, and you'll write like this too.
I asked him, and apparently, he originally wanted to add two other subplots to 'Cryptonomicon', but he was advised the printing machines couldn't handle the manuscript if he did that. Someone else asked him about 'In The Beginning was the Command Line', and he replied that text was in some deep way just better than simply graphics.
And yeah, when it came time for the signing, I snatched a Beanie Baby penguin, the only one I'll ever buy, and asked if he could sign it. The Vromans staff was nonplussed but game, he quizzed me on my choice of Linux distribution and the penguin was signed (as well as the book.)
For those of us down in Southern Cal, he's giving a reading at... Vromans, I think. It's this Friday, and he'll be signing Cryptocomicon plus one other. I'm bringing my beat-up copy of Snow Crash, and I'm really tempted to bring up Slashdot when I see him.
I've seen some real life examples of this. High schooler asking in history class, "Who won World War II?" Different person, asking who we fought during it. And these are the people who actually CARE enough to ask! Forget the fact that any literate person should know these answers. Just think of how many high schoolers are secure in their ignorance: "I wasn't alive, so it doesn't matter". Bah humbug. Hell, how many teenagers read the newspaper beyond maybe the sports or comic sections. TV news is no substitute, and an understanding of current events is necessary for anyone.
On the other hand, this 'the younger generation is doomed!' sentiment's been around for a while. I read a reference to a text condemning the teenagers of the period as 'lazy and shiftless, each generation knowing less than the previous generation' along with dire prophecies of the doom of society. Only thing was, the author was Babylonian. Our generation will pull it together sooner or later. Those who do will grow up to make money and/or live fulfilling lives. Those who don't will sit on their ass and watch TV. And the cycle will repeat itself for our children..
As for suing God, well, check this cartoon out.
I found this on civilliberty.miningco.com. Basically, the UN is strongly against the idea of legalized drugs. So much that their INBC (International Narcotics Control Board) feels that any inducement to take drugs, even calls for legalization, are illegal and should be punished by prosecution. The relevant article is right here.
And yeah, as soon as I'm 18, I'm registering with the Libertarian Party. Not one of my friends, even the Democratic ones, are going to vote for that putz Gore. Blame his wife, censorious puritan that she is, blame his wacko environmental ideas, but he's dead meat.
MS Visual C++ Professional. For serious users, right?
The NT machines in our high school labs choke and die on VC++. It's rather sad to see. And they're from the same company. That should dispel any ideas about 'lack of credit' and compatibility out of shrinkwrap.
You've met the wrong kinda women, then. My very non-geek girl fully supports me about what I do with computers, mostly because I try not to talk shop at her while not talking down either. She even thinks my nickname is 'cute'. Just keep looking..