Personally I've been trying to leave Slashdot for a while now.. the only thing stopping me is, I can't figure out a way to get out of here with enough suitable fanfare and ranting. As one of the site's first users and most prolific karma whores, I wouldn't want to be forgotten. I guess I'll just have to ask myself, "what would Signal 11 do?"
Was that before or after you spent some time messing with trojans? Yeah you're not going to live that one down. Don't expect me to buy any of your software any time soon.
I can't tell you how you SHOULD design your page, but this site is a pretty good example of everything you SHOULDN'T do. Excessive javascript, needless browser dependencies, superfluous navigation 'gadgets'...
It's a great idea, but you really can't call it annotated. There are links in each C&D letter to a FAQ, but it's all boilerplate stuff - for example, the EnronOwnsTheGOP C&D and vivendiuniversalsucks.com C&D basically have the same annotation, such as "what constitutes trademark dilution."
It's a great introduction to those who aren't familiar with the difference between copyright and trademark, for example. It'd be nice to have some actual annotations by lawyers. A good site with this kind of content is Consumer Affairs. They have Real Live Lawyers who read consumer complaints and give their opinion on who's at fault, what the relevant laws are, etc. I'd love to see one of these C&D letters ripped apart by a lawyer, e.g. 'this is clearly a parody that falls under fair use.'
You shouldn't fucking care what other people do with their stuff, and there shouldn't be stupid laws telling you how you can and can't use your stuff.
It doesn't matter if I bought it so I could pirate NOA out of existence, or if I bought it to see how far I could shove it up my ass. It's my business, not yours, not Nintendo's. Yes I am against the DMCA, regardless of the matter.
How about if we stick to prosecuting people for acts, not possessions? The other option would be to lock everyone in rubber rooms and throw away the key.. you wouldn't want anyone getting their hands on something that could possibly be considered a copyright infringement device, would you?
Oh and, last I heard "what's more likely" is not recognized by the court system as a good test of intent..
The software would take up 17 CDs? Is there something I'm missing here? Windows XP takes up 1 CD. Then you have sound, video, DVD and other drivers, CDR/DVD software, video/photo editing, etc. That shouldn't take up more than 2 CDs.. so what are the other 14 CDs for? I don't know what 'HP Learning Adventure' is, but I am confident that it's evil in some way. You can leave that out..
Your customer shouldn't take it personally. nanae has seen a thousand posters exactly like him, and they'll see a thousand more after he's gone. Someone shows up, never posted on Usenet before, and fills up a page or two ranting about blacklists taking away his business and restricting his free speech. If he read the FAQ before he posted, he'd know that the/24 gets banned since spam-friendly ISPs often shift their blackholed customers to different IPs. He'd know that the people to talk to are his ISP, not nanae. Instead, he's argumentative and pushy to people who have nothing to do with his problem. At best, he's clueless. At worst, he's a spammer himself.
These people come along, argue for a couple days, and vanish. nanae regulars will help you, if you're not a dick about it. But what's the use of being nice to someone who is pointing fingers all over the place, ranting and raving, and you know they'll never post again?
If you don't like your ISP's spam policies, change ISP. It's not the list's problem that you're one IP away from a spammer. It's also 'collateral damage' like this that forces a lot of ISPs to deal with their spam.
If you were added to a list without any knowledge that you had a spam problem, you are not qualified to run a mail server. If you were in any danger of being blacklisted, your postmaster@ account must have received hundreds of spam complaints. If you just ignored them, what did you expect to happen?
2. They should leave you 10-15 days to fix the problem before blocking you
Why, so spammers can abuse your servers for 10-15 more days? It was eating up YOUR bandwidth too, you know..
3. They should help you. I was *very* shocked by ORBS attitude "we block you, and we don't care if you cannot correct it"
ORBS WAS the exception, not the rule. ORBS is gone now btw, but they weren't known for their user-friendliness or their accessibility. Nevertheless, it's YOUR responsibility to fix your server, not theirs.
Example : Accept any IP address for relay except ORBS, you won't be blocked but you're an open relay;-)
You didn't come up with this idea you know.. it's been done before. What did we call the people who did that? Oh right, spammers.
Am I way off base here, or is this self-appointed mail police thing going in the wrong direction?
Yes.
The 'self-appointed mail police' aren't your problem. Your problem is with the sites that are still blocking you, after you have fixed your open relay. They may be using an old blackhole list. In any case, your mail has no god-given right to be accepted by their servers. List maintainers discourage sites from using static lists for this reason, but nobody's forcing the sites to take you out of their list.
Some lists have reasonable policies, and we've since been removed. Other places are a little more arbitrary as to removal policies, and although I can prove we're not a relay, we're still listed
Read news.admin.net-abuse.email. Every day there's a new poster ranting about the spam nazis blocking their mail, you people have no right, I fixed the problem, blah blah blah. If you've truly fixed the problem, they'll be more than happy to take you off the list. Don't expect overnight service - after all, nobody's to blame but your company for running that relay.
I could draw a bunch of analogies here, but isn't the bottom line that no one owns the internet e-mail system?
Please don't - the analogies have been drawn before, they've been heard, and they've been rebutted. Are the lists infringing your right to free speech? No. You have a right to speak, but you have no right to be heard.
You're saying no one owns the e-mail system, so everyone has the right to flood it with crap? Try, no one owns the e-mail system, so it is everyone's responsibility to keep it from being abused.
I'm trying to move data from one point to another, and some machines in the middle are discriminating against my data because a corrected, perfectly legal system configuration error.
Hardly. You're trying to move data, which is being actively refused by the recipient - they've made a choice NOT to receive your e-mail. Their action is a response to your failure to act in correcting your e-mail system. There is no 'machine in the middle.' Also, what does it matter that it's legal to run an open relay? It's legal to let garbage pile up on your lawn.. but it's not nice.
Has SPAM really decreased universally thanks to these lists?
If you didn't get blacklisted, would you have ever fixed your open relay?
every other week, a new way to exploit Windows using IE pops up
My point was, you were comparing this year's Linux to last year's Windows. WinXP, with security updates, is reasonably secure. Even Redhat 7.2 has over 30 security updates.
Auto-update is on by default in Windows XP, it is set to prompt you before downloading and prompt you again before installing the patch. Or would you rather have it install random software without asking you?
The UPNP flaw is fixed by XP's auto-update.
And, pig headed idiot? Come on, you're not even trying there.
He was the major force in developing ASCII (contributing 6 characters --
ESCape (see that key), FS, GS, RS, US, and the backslash)
Backslash? And we're actually praising this guy? If it weren't for him, I might be able to move between UNIX and Windows without getting a throbbing headache.
A default install of Windows XP has zero open ports and a firewall, too. It automatically downloads security updates, which should prevent this IE exploit from becoming widespread.
Maybe the problems you're talking about went away in Windows? For someone who is so up to date on Linux, you should learn a little about Windows before you bash it for past problems.
Let's see.. the RIAA has said it lost $300 million dollars a year to piracy. In 2000 they shipped 942 million CDs.
Now that they've eliminated all music piracy through their innovative copy protection techniques, we should all enjoy the price drop: $300,000,000 / 942,000,000 = $0.32 per CD. Since they are no longer losing all that money to piracy, we can look forward to paying 32 cents less for each CD! They are basically a trustworthy group, so I'm sure they'll pass the savings along to consumers.
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Personally I've been trying to leave Slashdot for a while now.. the only thing stopping me is, I can't figure out a way to get out of here with enough suitable fanfare and ranting. As one of the site's first users and most prolific karma whores, I wouldn't want to be forgotten. I guess I'll just have to ask myself, "what would Signal 11 do?"
Was that before or after you spent some time messing with trojans? Yeah you're not going to live that one down. Don't expect me to buy any of your software any time soon.
One time 'hardware fee' of $129 I think.
I can't tell you how you SHOULD design your page, but this site is a pretty good example of everything you SHOULDN'T do. Excessive javascript, needless browser dependencies, superfluous navigation 'gadgets'...
When the hell was this done, and by whom?
Last week, by The US Copyright Office.
Sounded like a joke to me, but you can never be too sure, Mr. Valenti.. I think you should 'disappear' him just to be on the safe side.
It's a great idea, but you really can't call it annotated. There are links in each C&D letter to a FAQ, but it's all boilerplate stuff - for example, the EnronOwnsTheGOP C&D and vivendiuniversalsucks.com C&D basically have the same annotation, such as "what constitutes trademark dilution."
It's a great introduction to those who aren't familiar with the difference between copyright and trademark, for example. It'd be nice to have some actual annotations by lawyers. A good site with this kind of content is Consumer Affairs. They have Real Live Lawyers who read consumer complaints and give their opinion on who's at fault, what the relevant laws are, etc. I'd love to see one of these C&D letters ripped apart by a lawyer, e.g. 'this is clearly a parody that falls under fair use.'
Follow my sig into the spam death chamber....
So would you outlaw guns because they could be used to kill people?
It doesn't matter if I bought it so I could pirate NOA out of existence, or if I bought it to see how far I could shove it up my ass. It's my business, not yours, not Nintendo's. Yes I am against the DMCA, regardless of the matter.
How about if we stick to prosecuting people for acts, not possessions? The other option would be to lock everyone in rubber rooms and throw away the key.. you wouldn't want anyone getting their hands on something that could possibly be considered a copyright infringement device, would you?
Oh and, last I heard "what's more likely" is not recognized by the court system as a good test of intent..
The software would take up 17 CDs? Is there something I'm missing here? Windows XP takes up 1 CD. Then you have sound, video, DVD and other drivers, CDR/DVD software, video/photo editing, etc. That shouldn't take up more than 2 CDs.. so what are the other 14 CDs for? I don't know what 'HP Learning Adventure' is, but I am confident that it's evil in some way. You can leave that out..
Your customer shouldn't take it personally. nanae has seen a thousand posters exactly like him, and they'll see a thousand more after he's gone. Someone shows up, never posted on Usenet before, and fills up a page or two ranting about blacklists taking away his business and restricting his free speech. If he read the FAQ before he posted, he'd know that the /24 gets banned since spam-friendly ISPs often shift their blackholed customers to different IPs. He'd know that the people to talk to are his ISP, not nanae. Instead, he's argumentative and pushy to people who have nothing to do with his problem. At best, he's clueless. At worst, he's a spammer himself.
These people come along, argue for a couple days, and vanish. nanae regulars will help you, if you're not a dick about it. But what's the use of being nice to someone who is pointing fingers all over the place, ranting and raving, and you know they'll never post again?
If you don't like your ISP's spam policies, change ISP. It's not the list's problem that you're one IP away from a spammer. It's also 'collateral damage' like this that forces a lot of ISPs to deal with their spam.
Hey, I don't run any blacklists! Bring it up with them, or post it in news.admin.net-abuse.email.. should give those guys a good laugh.
Now that's a company I wouldn't feel guilty about working at and goofing off all day..
1. These list should inform you have been added
;-)
If you were added to a list without any knowledge that you had a spam problem, you are not qualified to run a mail server. If you were in any danger of being blacklisted, your postmaster@ account must have received hundreds of spam complaints. If you just ignored them, what did you expect to happen?
2. They should leave you 10-15 days to fix the problem before blocking you
Why, so spammers can abuse your servers for 10-15 more days? It was eating up YOUR bandwidth too, you know..
3. They should help you. I was *very* shocked by ORBS attitude "we block you, and we don't care if you cannot correct it"
ORBS WAS the exception, not the rule. ORBS is gone now btw, but they weren't known for their user-friendliness or their accessibility. Nevertheless, it's YOUR responsibility to fix your server, not theirs.
Example : Accept any IP address for relay except ORBS, you won't be blocked but you're an open relay
You didn't come up with this idea you know.. it's been done before. What did we call the people who did that? Oh right, spammers.
Am I way off base here, or is this self-appointed mail police thing going in the wrong direction?
Yes.
The 'self-appointed mail police' aren't your problem. Your problem is with the sites that are still blocking you, after you have fixed your open relay. They may be using an old blackhole list. In any case, your mail has no god-given right to be accepted by their servers. List maintainers discourage sites from using static lists for this reason, but nobody's forcing the sites to take you out of their list.
Some lists have reasonable policies, and we've since been removed. Other places are a little more arbitrary as to removal policies, and although I can prove we're not a relay, we're still listed
Read news.admin.net-abuse.email. Every day there's a new poster ranting about the spam nazis blocking their mail, you people have no right, I fixed the problem, blah blah blah. If you've truly fixed the problem, they'll be more than happy to take you off the list. Don't expect overnight service - after all, nobody's to blame but your company for running that relay.
I could draw a bunch of analogies here, but isn't the bottom line that no one owns the internet e-mail system?
Please don't - the analogies have been drawn before, they've been heard, and they've been rebutted. Are the lists infringing your right to free speech? No. You have a right to speak, but you have no right to be heard.
You're saying no one owns the e-mail system, so everyone has the right to flood it with crap? Try, no one owns the e-mail system, so it is everyone's responsibility to keep it from being abused.
I'm trying to move data from one point to another, and some machines in the middle are discriminating against my data because a corrected, perfectly legal system configuration error.
Hardly. You're trying to move data, which is being actively refused by the recipient - they've made a choice NOT to receive your e-mail. Their action is a response to your failure to act in correcting your e-mail system. There is no 'machine in the middle.' Also, what does it matter that it's legal to run an open relay? It's legal to let garbage pile up on your lawn.. but it's not nice.
Has SPAM really decreased universally thanks to these lists?
If you didn't get blacklisted, would you have ever fixed your open relay?
Yeah well, that's your fault for having a 'Gr' key. What the heck is a 'Gr' key??
Where exactly in my post did I bash Windows?
Right here:
every other week, a new way to exploit Windows using IE pops up
My point was, you were comparing this year's Linux to last year's Windows. WinXP, with security updates, is reasonably secure. Even Redhat 7.2 has over 30 security updates.
Auto-update is on by default in Windows XP, it is set to prompt you before downloading and prompt you again before installing the patch. Or would you rather have it install random software without asking you?
The UPNP flaw is fixed by XP's auto-update.
And, pig headed idiot? Come on, you're not even trying there.
He was the major force in developing ASCII (contributing 6 characters --
ESCape (see that key), FS, GS, RS, US, and the backslash)
Backslash? And we're actually praising this guy? If it weren't for him, I might be able to move between UNIX and Windows without getting a throbbing headache.
A default install of Windows XP has zero open ports and a firewall, too. It automatically downloads security updates, which should prevent this IE exploit from becoming widespread.
Maybe the problems you're talking about went away in Windows? For someone who is so up to date on Linux, you should learn a little about Windows before you bash it for past problems.
Let's see.. the RIAA has said it lost $300 million dollars a year to piracy. In 2000 they shipped 942 million CDs.
Now that they've eliminated all music piracy through their innovative copy protection techniques, we should all enjoy the price drop: $300,000,000 / 942,000,000 = $0.32 per CD. Since they are no longer losing all that money to piracy, we can look forward to paying 32 cents less for each CD! They are basically a trustworthy group, so I'm sure they'll pass the savings along to consumers.
That is the one computer book where I can say that almost every page has been useful to me at some point. Indispensable.
Design Patterns is a classic compsci text. It's a serious book, but highly recommended.