Nobody is taking out DRM from XBOX or Playstation. They're only talking about taking away region locking and phoning home for daily authentication. You're still going to have to deal with Ubisoft and their uPlay bullshit and redeemable one-time codes and so on.
And those are the companies that should be confronted on this, the vehicle for delivery is the less important secondary target. You can use a PC with no DRM at all but if the game you want to play is Diablo 3 or the new Simcity or a uPlay game then the fact that your PC is DRM-free is irrelevant and you don't go crying to Dell or HP or Alienware about it, you go to the content creator/publisher. Same thing with devices like TiVo, I doubt they give 2 shits about locking the box down, but their content deals would certainly go out the window if they didn't.
The main difference is DirectX vs OpenGL, and it's possible that a game engine will be optimised for one and not the other.
But highly unlikely given that the most computationally expensive elements (in GPU terms) are in the programmable pipeline and cross-compilation between HLSL and GLSL isn't a big deal, I'm not sure whether the PS4 uses GLSL or - like the PS3 - uses Cg which is essentially the same as HLSL anyway.
There's nothing stopping them from putting DRM in a year from now.
Right, there's nothing to stop Sony from doing that either...I seem to remember a little thing called OtherOS that they provided, then promised they wouldn't take away, then took away. Why are people so keen to trust Sony again already? Even George Bush reckons he couldn't get fooled a second time.
But a PS4 isn't a PC. So you'd need a PC and a PS4.
Are you suggesting most people that have a console don't have a PC already anyway? I have a PC (and consoles) in the living room - which seems to be the point of this alienware system - and i'm sure as hell not using that TV-connected PC for anything like video editing or spreadsheets or word documents or anything like that.
When this Mac Pro breaks, you unplug it, plug in the Thunderbolt devices to your spare machine (another Mac Pro, or maybe a Mac mini or a Macbook Air if money is tight), and keep on chugging while you wait for the technician to troubleshoot and repair your main machine. Doing that with a conventional workstation is a lot more work
A lot more work? To unplug your external devices from the new mac pro is no less work than to do the same with the old one, i don't know where you get that it would be a lot more work.
Do you actually think it is right for one company to copy another company's product so much that their own attorneys couldn't tell the difference?
I can't say it bothers me, I bought an Apple iPhone and the existence of the Samsung Galaxy didn't confuse me into thinking they were the same product any more than telling the difference between different models and brands of TVs. But even then looking at their current iterations I can't imagine anybody would confuse them now so the the question I have is why does this issue of the past keep getting brought up whenever there is a topic about these two companies? It's as though some people for whatever reason really need closure on this issue to be able to move on with their lives. If Samsung came out and said 'yes we copied them' would that satiate you?
It really is fascinating, I've seen it with the anti-Microsoft stance too, whenever an Microsoft story comes up somebody will hark back 10 years to something they did and fork the discussion down that path as though this time they are going to get closure on the issue or something.
You may be 100% right that all 4 of those can be done
you're welcome.
Reading comprehension fail, see 'may'.
images, text, profile logins, servers to store data, developers and it engineers to manage it...
And that's what facebook has, what do you propose should be different?
you're playing dumb, and asking for 'specifics' ad infinitum...that's trolling...you're a troll officially now
No i'm demonstrating with great success that you have no idea what you're talking about. If *you* actually believed I were a troll (which you don't) then you wouldn't reply at all, however given that you did reply and will continue to do so you demonstrate that you are either a person of seriously sub-par intelligence or you *know* i'm not a troll and just want to deflect away from the fact you have no idea what you're proposing at all.
Didn't they tell us that Android, being Linux based is very very safe compared to anything we'd ever seen?
You may have been modded down but I do see a point with your post, everybody (but not the sort of people that frequent sites like this) has been told how secure Linux systems are and since Android is a Linux system I doubt you'd find many non-techs would understand why Android being a Linux system doesn't necessarily make it secure. Any application on any system (not just Android) that can access system resources - like SMS functionality - is going to have the capacity to act maliciously so it really is up to the user to decide whether to allow that sort of access to the application, this is even more difficult if the application has a legitimate purpose in accessing such functionality.
For at least some tech enthusiasts it's fine to say 'just make it open source' and the individual can vet it - but of course the vast majority will not do that - so trusting a generally (yes none is absolutely guaranteed and some are better than others) well-vetted marketplace (Google Play, iOS App Store, Windows Store, Amazon Store?) seems to be the best bet for most people.
Your contentions are nothing, I don't have to counter them because they are just baseless contentions with no facts. If you want to give them some basis then - assuming your point is indeed invalid - I will counter them but all you've said is they could do XYZ without explaining how you believe they can accomplish it.
You may be 100% right that all 4 of those can be done, but only an ignorant fool would believe you without having you detail how you think they could be done. And if it can be done and it's of such great benefit to the user then why haven't you done it?
Then perhaps my core question is this: What made iOS and Android successful and Windows Phone and Windows RT not?
Well that's a different question, I'd say timing and a lack of compelling features. To enter an established market late in the game you need a disruptive product, evidently Windows Phone and RT are not that. I haven't used RT but I have used Phone and personally I liked it though as much as I liked it I can't see what element would make a person choose it over the incumbents (iOS and Android).
Then why do all these news stories about Android malware, the vast majority of which requires turning on "Unknown sources", make the implicit claim that "Unknown sources" is mainstream?
I don't think they do, much of the Android malware stories are about it appearing in the Google Play store, and rarely - actually I don't there are any at all - are any of them widespread enough to be considered mainstream.
Seeing that I have the original Palm Pilot, the Newton, the HP Ipaq, I wouldn't call myself ignorant of the category.
So given the fact that so many dumbphones, laptops, desktops and a myriad of other products in various product categories from different manufacturers look alike why is it that whenever a samsung and apple story comes up there are people that always jump in with the 'samsung copied apple'...why do you even care? I see so many people like you bringing that up all the time and i just can't understand why, if samsung were to come out and say 'yes we copied apple' would that appease you?
On the other hand, I see people like you protesting all the time, and I'm curious if you do know the product category.
It seems you don't know what 'protesting' is, i'm not protesting anything, I'm asking why you're so hung up on this 'samsung copied apple' issue.
I laid it out in my post, directly after the sentence where I typed the portion you mention...
You mean the line: using personal data as a commodity to trade for a free internet service
The reason I questioned it is because that isn't an abuse of users, I have no problem with them doing whatever they wish with the copy of the information I gave them, I shared that information and I have no expectation that the people I shared it with won't share (or even sell) that information, that's what comes from freedom of information.
because people like you don't even know how fully your life choices are gamed out as a business model...
Then instead of just posting bullshit meaningless rhetoric how about you explain to me how my life choices are gamed out as a business model and how this of 'abusing' me.
You can check out any time you like; but you can never leave... with your data, at least not easily.
You mean "their data". It's not your data when you post it to Facebook, it's theirs, you've given it to them.
It's their copy, yes, I gave it to them and they can do whatever they want with it. I can of course leave - with my copies of the data - whenever I want.
And you jumped in multiple times to tell us how much you don't care.
Aren't you protesting a little too much...?
Protesting? No, I'm not protesting at all. I'm just interested to know why everybody is so nuts over Apple on stuff like this, is it that they are unaware of products and product categories before the iPhone came along or is it something specifically about Apple?
One might want a copy of their stuff on their own storage media for reference or safe-keeping. For instance.
So save a copy of it when you post it. If i send off any documentation or anything like that I always make a copy for myself for my own records, I don't expect the company or government department I'm sending it to to make it available for me to then retrieve from them later.
Please humour me for a moment and take a look at this photo which shows the iPhone 3GS and Galaxy S side by side. Then try to tell me with a straight face that you can't see the similarity.
Of course they look similar, so did many phones from different manufacturers throughout the 90s, then the early non-touchscreen smartphones, PDAs, Laptops, Desktop computers, etc... often look very similar across manufacturers.
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My comment stands irrespective of nVidia.
Not one that the mic can be remotely turned on.
So you've inspected the source and compiled your own version and run it on your phone? I know some people do that, but most people don't.
Nobody is taking out DRM from XBOX or Playstation. They're only talking about taking away region locking and phoning home for daily authentication. You're still going to have to deal with Ubisoft and their uPlay bullshit and redeemable one-time codes and so on.
And those are the companies that should be confronted on this, the vehicle for delivery is the less important secondary target. You can use a PC with no DRM at all but if the game you want to play is Diablo 3 or the new Simcity or a uPlay game then the fact that your PC is DRM-free is irrelevant and you don't go crying to Dell or HP or Alienware about it, you go to the content creator/publisher. Same thing with devices like TiVo, I doubt they give 2 shits about locking the box down, but their content deals would certainly go out the window if they didn't.
The main difference is DirectX vs OpenGL, and it's possible that a game engine will be optimised for one and not the other.
But highly unlikely given that the most computationally expensive elements (in GPU terms) are in the programmable pipeline and cross-compilation between HLSL and GLSL isn't a big deal, I'm not sure whether the PS4 uses GLSL or - like the PS3 - uses Cg which is essentially the same as HLSL anyway.
What does it mean?
There's nothing stopping them from putting DRM in a year from now.
Right, there's nothing to stop Sony from doing that either...I seem to remember a little thing called OtherOS that they provided, then promised they wouldn't take away, then took away. Why are people so keen to trust Sony again already? Even George Bush reckons he couldn't get fooled a second time.
The mic is still a problem.
You don't have a mobile phone do you?
Wouldn't it be great if they open sourced their fucking Linux drivers instead of playing the little game they play?
Why? What would be so good about that? AMD did it and it didn't do much for them.
Not sure what you're talking about, sounds a lot more like Xerox (well PARC anyway) or ARM, both of which were damn good.
But a PS4 isn't a PC. So you'd need a PC and a PS4.
Are you suggesting most people that have a console don't have a PC already anyway? I have a PC (and consoles) in the living room - which seems to be the point of this alienware system - and i'm sure as hell not using that TV-connected PC for anything like video editing or spreadsheets or word documents or anything like that.
When this Mac Pro breaks, you unplug it, plug in the Thunderbolt devices to your spare machine (another Mac Pro, or maybe a Mac mini or a Macbook Air if money is tight), and keep on chugging while you wait for the technician to troubleshoot and repair your main machine. Doing that with a conventional workstation is a lot more work
A lot more work? To unplug your external devices from the new mac pro is no less work than to do the same with the old one, i don't know where you get that it would be a lot more work.
Immediately reminds me of the Power Mac G4 Cube.
Do you actually think it is right for one company to copy another company's product so much that their own attorneys couldn't tell the difference?
I can't say it bothers me, I bought an Apple iPhone and the existence of the Samsung Galaxy didn't confuse me into thinking they were the same product any more than telling the difference between different models and brands of TVs. But even then looking at their current iterations I can't imagine anybody would confuse them now so the the question I have is why does this issue of the past keep getting brought up whenever there is a topic about these two companies? It's as though some people for whatever reason really need closure on this issue to be able to move on with their lives. If Samsung came out and said 'yes we copied them' would that satiate you?
It really is fascinating, I've seen it with the anti-Microsoft stance too, whenever an Microsoft story comes up somebody will hark back 10 years to something they did and fork the discussion down that path as though this time they are going to get closure on the issue or something.
you're welcome.
Reading comprehension fail, see 'may'.
images, text, profile logins, servers to store data, developers and it engineers to manage it...
And that's what facebook has, what do you propose should be different?
you're playing dumb, and asking for 'specifics' ad infinitum...that's trolling...you're a troll officially now
No i'm demonstrating with great success that you have no idea what you're talking about. If *you* actually believed I were a troll (which you don't) then you wouldn't reply at all, however given that you did reply and will continue to do so you demonstrate that you are either a person of seriously sub-par intelligence or you *know* i'm not a troll and just want to deflect away from the fact you have no idea what you're proposing at all.
And what authenticates it?
Didn't they tell us that Android, being Linux based is very very safe compared to anything we'd ever seen?
You may have been modded down but I do see a point with your post, everybody (but not the sort of people that frequent sites like this) has been told how secure Linux systems are and since Android is a Linux system I doubt you'd find many non-techs would understand why Android being a Linux system doesn't necessarily make it secure. Any application on any system (not just Android) that can access system resources - like SMS functionality - is going to have the capacity to act maliciously so it really is up to the user to decide whether to allow that sort of access to the application, this is even more difficult if the application has a legitimate purpose in accessing such functionality.
For at least some tech enthusiasts it's fine to say 'just make it open source' and the individual can vet it - but of course the vast majority will not do that - so trusting a generally (yes none is absolutely guaranteed and some are better than others) well-vetted marketplace (Google Play, iOS App Store, Windows Store, Amazon Store?) seems to be the best bet for most people.
Your contentions are nothing, I don't have to counter them because they are just baseless contentions with no facts. If you want to give them some basis then - assuming your point is indeed invalid - I will counter them but all you've said is they could do XYZ without explaining how you believe they can accomplish it.
You may be 100% right that all 4 of those can be done, but only an ignorant fool would believe you without having you detail how you think they could be done. And if it can be done and it's of such great benefit to the user then why haven't you done it?
Then perhaps my core question is this: What made iOS and Android successful and Windows Phone and Windows RT not?
Well that's a different question, I'd say timing and a lack of compelling features. To enter an established market late in the game you need a disruptive product, evidently Windows Phone and RT are not that. I haven't used RT but I have used Phone and personally I liked it though as much as I liked it I can't see what element would make a person choose it over the incumbents (iOS and Android).
Then why do all these news stories about Android malware, the vast majority of which requires turning on "Unknown sources", make the implicit claim that "Unknown sources" is mainstream?
I don't think they do, much of the Android malware stories are about it appearing in the Google Play store, and rarely - actually I don't there are any at all - are any of them widespread enough to be considered mainstream.
Seeing that I have the original Palm Pilot, the Newton, the HP Ipaq, I wouldn't call myself ignorant of the category.
So given the fact that so many dumbphones, laptops, desktops and a myriad of other products in various product categories from different manufacturers look alike why is it that whenever a samsung and apple story comes up there are people that always jump in with the 'samsung copied apple'...why do you even care? I see so many people like you bringing that up all the time and i just can't understand why, if samsung were to come out and say 'yes we copied apple' would that appease you?
On the other hand, I see people like you protesting all the time, and I'm curious if you do know the product category.
It seems you don't know what 'protesting' is, i'm not protesting anything, I'm asking why you're so hung up on this 'samsung copied apple' issue.
I laid it out in my post, directly after the sentence where I typed the portion you mention...
You mean the line:
using personal data as a commodity to trade for a free internet service
The reason I questioned it is because that isn't an abuse of users, I have no problem with them doing whatever they wish with the copy of the information I gave them, I shared that information and I have no expectation that the people I shared it with won't share (or even sell) that information, that's what comes from freedom of information.
because people like you don't even know how fully your life choices are gamed out as a business model...
Then instead of just posting bullshit meaningless rhetoric how about you explain to me how my life choices are gamed out as a business model and how this of 'abusing' me.
You can check out any time you like; but you can never leave... with your data, at least not easily.
You mean "their data". It's not your data when you post it to Facebook, it's theirs, you've given it to them.
It's their copy, yes, I gave it to them and they can do whatever they want with it. I can of course leave - with my copies of the data - whenever I want.
And you jumped in multiple times to tell us how much you don't care.
Aren't you protesting a little too much...?
Protesting? No, I'm not protesting at all. I'm just interested to know why everybody is so nuts over Apple on stuff like this, is it that they are unaware of products and product categories before the iPhone came along or is it something specifically about Apple?
One might want a copy of their stuff on their own storage media for reference or safe-keeping. For instance.
So save a copy of it when you post it. If i send off any documentation or anything like that I always make a copy for myself for my own records, I don't expect the company or government department I'm sending it to to make it available for me to then retrieve from them later.
How does it 'abuse' its users? You mean because it sells information?
Please humour me for a moment and take a look at this photo which shows the iPhone 3GS and Galaxy S side by side. Then try to tell me with a straight face that you can't see the similarity.
Of course they look similar, so did many phones from different manufacturers throughout the 90s, then the early non-touchscreen smartphones, PDAs, Laptops, Desktop computers, etc... often look very similar across manufacturers.