I once read a book I got out of the library at UConn (Univ. Connecticut). Found it totally by accident one day.
The author(s) purported that if you take the geologic age of Earth and map out the "disasters" that they form a definite period, something like roughly every 30,000 years or so.
The supposition was that we actually live in a BINARY solar system, with the sun's twin being a black dwarf, and that it and the sun were drifting apart.
The answer as to why it hadn't been seen yet was simple: we've only had astronomy for (at most) 10,000 years, and only recently (300 years) had telescopes at all. If at this time this body was at the furthest point out of the orbit, we'd not have seen it.
The book was published in the 70s, I think. I wonder if the Hubble has dismissed such a theory, or if it's even been up long enough (13 years?) to have mapped enough of the "local galaxy" to have done so? Hmm...
Patton (the movie) does not actually glorify war or even Patton (the man) himself. I have always felt that the movie exposes that while Patton was a brilliant military tactician that he was a flawed individual: he had a bad temper, he had more care for history and his image than his men, and that he was a prima dona.
Not as such. Theoretically, MACs are specific to each individual interface and (should)never change. TCP/IP addresses can be dynamically assigned to a controller.
The main idea, of course, will be to free up addresses.
In my opinion, I think that what will happen is that the big boys with class "A" addresses (AT&T, GE, et cetera) and maybe some "B"s will change over and free up enough v4 addresses, thuse starving off the problem for a few more decades. (Or indefinately, if folks keep moving over...)
-Markvs
..."You must never run away from something immortal. It attracts their attention."
After all, Intel kept doing R&D on the i386 until 1994, long after it was obsoleted by the Pentium. (I heard it was also used in the Atari Lynx... any truth to that rumor? That was about 1994/1995...
I hate to tell you this, but at least one of Visio's VPs came FROM Micro$oft. They've been talking about this for over 2 years.
AND Visio has been (at least since version 3) one of the few companies that M$ "gives their notes to". WHY DO YOU THINK THE THING WAS SO BLOODY STABLE?
As for Bloat, sure, there's bound to be some. But until people like my mom can run Linux (read: needs a much lower learning curve), M$ is the way of the world. Sorry.
-Markvs
...If the world put its energies into actual work instead of complaining, think of where we'd be.:-)
Simple. 95/98/NT has a MUCH lower learning curve than any of those systems you mentioned, and is also many, many times cheaper too.
Add in that OS/2 didn't have developer support (and was even more resouce intensive than M$) and Mac had 4 bad CEOs in a row, and well... what do you get? Linux is great. But my Mom can't use it until is becomes less technoese.:-)
-Markvs
..."If the plural of mouse is mice, what is the plural of spouse?"
I support 50 users, all running 95 on Toshiba 233mhz laptops. I get calls about 95 crashing/freeing about three times a week.
Mind, these users use Oulook 98, Excel & Access 97, and Argus, none of which are exactly sparing in memory use. Given that their average Excel doc is 3-8 megs...:-)
I wonder if all these pundits out there would rather be living in a corporate world where OS/2, OS 8 and 95/NT share the market equally and we'd waste hours every day CONVERTING from docs from one system to another?:-)
All true, none of which was said in the previous post. I was refuting two generalizations and didn't want to go into a tirad on parliamenatry democracy... (I thought that the "The NSDAP (Nazi party) WAS elected into power, but into a coalition government" line bore out this point. I'm sorry if I caused any confusion.)
"HITLER AND THE NAZI PARTY HAD A DIRECT MANDATE FROM THE GERMAN PEOPLE, AND YET THEY ARE STILL THE CAUSE FOR SOME OF THE WORST ATROCITIES EVER COMMITTED."
ERRRRRRRRRR...the Nazi government was NOT elected. The Weimar Republic was set up after WWI. Hitler dissolved the Weimar Republic in a military putsch.
Try Rise and Fall of the Third Reich, by Shirer "
...obviously, you've never read the book, or have forgotten a key point:
The NSDAP (Nazi party) WAS elected into power, but into a coalition government. Read this:
"By the 1930 elections, the Nazi party took 18% of the popular vote. Hitler ran for president of Germany in 1932 and won 30% of the vote. In 1933 Adolf Hitler was appointed chancellor of Germany by president Hindenburg."
Note, however, that the NSDAP NEVER won a majority vote. There was no direct mandate, there was no successful putsch.
As for attrocities, no question. Not that Stalin's USSR was any better, or even the US, if you consider the native Americans or our conquest of Hawaii.
Go to the Blake's 7 Universe, where the good guys are bad and the bad guys are even worse! Sure, it's 20 years old and was done on a cheaper budget than Dr. Who... but the stories are 100 times better than Space:90210 or Star Wreck:Katerine Hepburn.
-Markvs
..."Graduate of the Vila School of Unauthorized Entry."
"Yoda does remark in the funeral scene at the end of TPM that there can only be 2 Sith lords at one time (the master and the apprentice), so perhaps the Emperor can't get more than 1 dark side henchman. "
No, what he says is "Always two there are, a master and an apprentice." Kind of like Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan, later Obi-Wan and Anakin, and still later Obi-Wan and Luke.
... Otherwise, how can there BE a Jedi council? More likely, the Force requires a 1-1 student/teacher ratio. This is not really surprising. In many cases, medieval knights and samauri kept only a single servant (read: a Padaua learner is a Page or Squire?) The few exceptions were if there was an academy/school in the castle, which were pretty rare...
So it is VERY possible that there are other Sith around, and that they are just underground, biding their time. Maul was just Sidious's padaua.
*yawn* really? And exactly when did you see this, and what were the testing specs? Was the G4 running OS 8, X or Linux? Was the PIII running 95, 98, Linux or NT? What service packs/releases/updates were on either machine? For that matter, how many times was whatever test run to get an average?
Hey, relax. The RCC has been keeping up with the times about as well as any 2000 year old can. (Highlanders not withstanding;-)
Really, they've un-excommunicated Galileo, and have done quite a bit since Vatican II (early 60s conference in Rome) to reverse the oppressiveness and backwardsness that were the hallmarks of the church from the inquisition through the industrial revolution.
Bottom Line: Hey, the RCC isn't perfect. But they're trying. Are you?
Er, no, not unless you haven't checked in about a decade...
Last count: ~ 5.7 Billion Ergo, % RCC = ~ 19.3%
...which is still a heck of a lot of folks.
Ethnocentricity has no place on the internet? Who's saying that there is any? If the RCC says St. So-and-so is now the patron of the Internet, would it change the Net any more than the "Our Lady of the Highways" shrine changes the Jersey Turnpike? (read: it doesn't)
What purpose does open discussion serve? If folks believe in something, let them believe.
Brainwashed? If you believe that 1.1 billion people have been brainwashed and that you're not, you need to take a very hard look at your reality. EXAMPLE: Tear up a $100 bill. I mean into a thousand, untapeable pieces. Go ahead, right now. You won't, because you BELIEVE it's worth something.
You're as "brainwashed" as anyone else, my friend.
As for Windoze, say what you will. To the winner goes the spoils. That's capitalism. If Red Hat or someone else can wrest control, great! In 10 years others will be complaining about the lack of choice in Linux, and how much BETTER OSDEJURE is because it's cool because it's not as popular as the fascist Red Had.
Out of date? Why? Because it's the 90's? Well, it was the 90's 100 years ago and it will be the 90s in another 100. The church's values are not the point of debate. You're talking about a religious organization that stretches the globe, has 1.1 BILLION adherents, and has existed for nearly 2000 years.
I personally am GLAD the RCC moves slowly. Society needs an anchor, a set of ideals that keep it civilized. Imagine had the church gone pro-eugenics in the 1900s. Many of us would no doubt be dead. (unless you're PERFECT in every possible way. Yeah, right). Et cetera.
The point is that the church is actually very good about keeping up with the times, all things considered. Why NOT a patron saint for the 'Net? It HAS kept up with modern technology... ever go to the Vatican website? Remember the flood of fax machines, computers and other stuff the church smuggled into Poland during the Reagan years?
Either not hit a deer with your car, are vegitarian, or don't understand that if you have too many of a critter in an area, they get sick and die. It's more humane to kill a deer with one shot and then USE the meat rather than let it starve to death because there are too many of them in a particular area.
Samarai have the same attack strength (3) and can move a lot quicker.
Which is nice, I guess. I just wished they called them something else! (Irksome game detaiil).
Now, you can't take any wheeled or horse units into mountains without roads.
Which is a good innovation.
(I never played CivII. But, I damned near flunked out of college on quarter playing the original.. Ah...)
Lawyers are nasty but corporate branches......
...
Personally, I like the religious and economic warfare. Slavery (although being African-American I built abolitionists very quickly) is an essential element in the history of most great civilizations from the Romans and Vikings to the Americans, Chinese and Japanese.
You also forget about just about all of eastern europe and russia... Slav is latin for slave. The serfs of russia, austria and germany were no better off.:-( It's another (controversial) but good addition to the game, I agree.
However, WTF is this about the Jamaican and Cuban civilizations? Haiti (the 2nd independent black nation after Ethiopia) is more of a civilization than those two.
I would even say Nubia (supposed ancient civ we don't know enough about) would have been a better bet. But where are Poland, Morocco, et cetera? Hmm. I wonder how many folks know that Cuba's flag is Puerto Rico's reversed and that both colonies (when taken from Spain) had governments set up by Freemansons?:-)
Oh, to the nut who surrounded his cities with warriors. No, that's what diplomats are for. They can see slavers and clerics!!!
I agree with everything you mentioned (and then some!) However, these is one explanation I came across for the tank quandry:
The units need some tweaking: So here I am, rolling along in my tank, about to assault the puny Americans with five legions in their city.
Legions. You know, footmen with swords?
The tank loses.
I did it twice more, thinking it was just bad luck. Now, admittedly, maybe I should've been picking on someone my own size... Sure, they were in the mountains. Sure, they had city walls and were fortified... But it's a friggin' TANK! How do footmen with swords kill tanks?
There was floated back in Civ 1 the idea that as time passes, the other guy doesn't REALLY have Legions (or whatever the unit supposedly is). He actually has a modern fighting force, but it is poorly trained, equipped or whatever and so is only worth the VALUE of a Legion. (Obviously, this is moot in Civ 2 with the Firepower rating system). The real world example would be Vietnam: a US Rifleman (in civ 1) was 5/5/1. The ARVN had the same stuff, but was only effective as a Musketeer, and in Civ 1 would appear as one. (3/3/1). So the Legions you lost to were armed with rifles or whatnot, they're just poor troops. (I know, it didn't help me deal with loosing 3 battleships to an unfortified Phalinx in the desert, either.)
I have this game for Windows, and it is a piece of junk. For everything they improved on Civ 2 from, they screwed something else up. (This is after about 20 hours of gameplay). I won't waste my Linux box's HD space on this turkey.
Good stuff: You can que up city production. The graphics are better. The combat is better, especially the city battle screens. This may be the best improvement in the game. You can actually see the units arrayed against you! The more government styles, and the fact that you can compare them side by side before changing. Trade routes make sense, as only cities with goods can trade. Space, undersea, piracy, et cetera. All nice. Units now "see ahead", like naval units did in Civ/Civ 2.
Bad stuff: Why can't I custom name a civ anymore? Where are the old wonders and most of the old technologies? Where are the catapults? The game went from being keyboard (and mouse to move around the map) to mouse (and keyboard to do things that are too annoying to do with a mouse). A good deal of the advances make no sense. No concieveable socitey, for example, could have knights and samauri. (I won't get into this, or how many other discrepencies there are, in comparison to Civ 2) The opening Civs are suspect: Why is Canada in there (for example), and countries like Poland not? The pics seem to be more for the countries the expect the game to sell. (Babylon and such not withstanding) The whole conversion thing is a serious detriment to gameplay. In one game I had 15 cities, and in but 4 turns 10 of them had been converted to the religion of another civ that I HADN'T YET SEEN! Further, I had units fortifed around the cities, so I should have seen their cleric coming. The cost to convert BACK a city is rapacious, and they can just try to re-convert it again the NEXT TURN. UGH! The advisors are gone. Athough fairly useless in the past, at least in Civ 2 there were amusing and (while learning the game) would let you know how you're doing.
Anyway, I can go on and on. It's really an okay game if you've never played Civ before, but I had expected much, much better.
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I once read a book I got out of the library at UConn (Univ. Connecticut). Found it totally by accident one day.
The author(s) purported that if you take the geologic age of Earth and map out the "disasters" that they form a definite period, something like roughly every 30,000 years or so.
The supposition was that we actually live in a BINARY solar system, with the sun's twin being a black dwarf, and that it and the sun were drifting apart.
The answer as to why it hadn't been seen yet was simple: we've only had astronomy for (at most) 10,000 years, and only recently (300 years) had telescopes at all. If at this time this body was at the furthest point out of the orbit, we'd not have seen it.
The book was published in the 70s, I think. I wonder if the Hubble has dismissed such a theory, or if it's even been up long enough (13 years?) to have mapped enough of the "local galaxy" to have done so? Hmm...
Patton (the movie) does not actually glorify war or even Patton (the man) himself. I have always felt that the movie exposes that while Patton was a brilliant military tactician that he was a flawed individual: he had a bad temper, he had more care for history and his image than his men, and that he was a prima dona.
:-)
But at least he admitted it.
-Markvs
Not as such. Theoretically, MACs are specific to each individual interface and (should)never change. TCP/IP addresses can be dynamically assigned to a controller.
The main idea, of course, will be to free up addresses.
In my opinion, I think that what will happen is that the big boys with class "A" addresses (AT&T, GE, et cetera) and maybe some "B"s will change over and free up enough v4 addresses, thuse starving off the problem for a few more decades. (Or indefinately, if folks keep moving over...)
-Markvs
..."You must never run away from something immortal. It attracts their attention."
Except that they aren't going to make any new machines, but instead concentrate on their imbedded applications...
:->
Unless, of course, they're going to revive the Commodore 65 project and try to bring the 8 bit market back from oblivion...
-Markvs
..."I'm so gothic, I'm dead!" - Bumpersticker I saw in New Haven last Friday night.
After all, Intel kept doing R&D on the i386 until 1994, long after it was obsoleted by the Pentium. (I heard it was also used in the Atari Lynx... any truth to that rumor? That was about 1994/1995...
-Markvs
..."I see you have a machine that goes PING!"
I hate to tell you this, but at least one of Visio's VPs came FROM Micro$oft.
:-)
They've been talking about this for over 2 years.
AND Visio has been (at least since version 3) one of the few companies that M$ "gives their notes to". WHY DO YOU THINK THE THING WAS SO BLOODY STABLE?
As for Bloat, sure, there's bound to be some. But until people like my mom can run Linux (read: needs a much lower learning curve), M$ is the way of the world. Sorry.
-Markvs
...If the world put its energies into actual work instead of complaining, think of where we'd be.
Simple. 95/98/NT has a MUCH lower learning curve than any of those systems you mentioned, and is also many, many times cheaper too.
:-)
Add in that OS/2 didn't have developer support (and was even more resouce intensive than M$) and Mac had 4 bad CEOs in a row, and well... what do you get? Linux is great. But my Mom can't use it until is becomes less technoese.
-Markvs
..."If the plural of mouse is mice, what is the plural of spouse?"
Sir, I implore you, the Return Key! Hit it on occasion!
-Markvs
..."4 out of 5 people think the 5th one is an idiot."
Uh huh. Do you actually know about oh... Service Packs? How about the reapplying them after major system changes? :-)
-Markvs
My NT server (NT 4, SP4) running IIS 4.0 has been running for 228 days... and it's only a P200 w/ 128 megs!
I support 50 users, all running 95 on Toshiba 233mhz laptops. I get calls about 95 crashing/freeing about three times a week.
:-)
:-)
Mind, these users use Oulook 98, Excel & Access 97, and Argus, none of which are exactly sparing in memory use. Given that their average Excel doc is 3-8 megs...
I wonder if all these pundits out there would rather be living in a corporate world where OS/2, OS 8 and 95/NT share the market equally and we'd waste hours every day CONVERTING from docs from one system to another?
-Markvs
...MCSE, SCO & Jack Daniels certified...
All true, none of which was said in the previous post. I was refuting two generalizations and didn't want to go into a tirad on parliamenatry democracy...
(I thought that the "The NSDAP (Nazi party) WAS elected into power, but into a coalition government" line bore out this point. I'm sorry if I caused any confusion.)
-Markvs
... you're both half right.
"HITLER AND THE NAZI PARTY HAD A DIRECT MANDATE FROM THE GERMAN PEOPLE, AND YET THEY ARE STILL THE CAUSE FOR SOME OF THE WORST ATROCITIES EVER COMMITTED."
ERRRRRRRRRR...the Nazi government was NOT elected. The Weimar Republic was set up after WWI. Hitler dissolved the Weimar Republic in a military putsch.
Try Rise and Fall of the Third Reich, by Shirer "
...obviously, you've never read the book, or have forgotten a key point:
The NSDAP (Nazi party) WAS elected into power, but into a coalition government. Read this:
"By the 1930 elections, the Nazi party took 18% of the popular vote. Hitler ran for president of Germany in 1932 and won 30% of the vote. In 1933 Adolf Hitler was appointed chancellor of Germany by president Hindenburg."
Note, however, that the NSDAP NEVER won a majority vote. There was no direct mandate, there was no successful putsch.
As for attrocities, no question. Not that Stalin's USSR was any better, or even the US, if you consider the native Americans or our conquest of Hawaii.
-Markvs
Go to the Blake's 7 Universe, where the good guys are bad and the bad guys are even worse! Sure, it's 20 years old and was done on a cheaper budget than Dr. Who... but the stories are 100 times better than Space:90210 or Star Wreck:Katerine Hepburn.
-Markvs
..."Graduate of the Vila School of Unauthorized Entry."
"Yoda does remark in the funeral scene at the end of TPM that there can only be 2 Sith lords at one time (the master and the apprentice), so perhaps the Emperor can't get more than 1 dark side henchman. "
No, what he says is "Always two there are, a master and an apprentice." Kind of like Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan, later Obi-Wan and Anakin, and still later Obi-Wan and Luke.
... Otherwise, how can there BE a Jedi council?
More likely, the Force requires a 1-1 student/teacher ratio. This is not really surprising. In many cases, medieval knights and samauri kept only a single servant (read: a Padaua learner is a Page or Squire?) The few exceptions were if there was an academy/school in the castle, which were pretty rare...
So it is VERY possible that there are other Sith around, and that they are just underground, biding their time. Maul was just Sidious's padaua.
With apologies for any misspellings,
-Markvs
*yawn* really? And exactly when did you see this, and what were the testing specs? Was the G4 running OS 8, X or Linux? Was the PIII running 95, 98, Linux or NT? What service packs/releases/updates were on either machine?
For that matter, how many times was whatever test run to get an average?
Ranting random stats... the way of the insecure.
-Markvs
Hey, relax. The RCC has been keeping up with the times about as well as any 2000 year old can. (Highlanders not withstanding ;-)
Really, they've un-excommunicated Galileo, and have done quite a bit since Vatican II (early 60s conference in Rome) to reverse the oppressiveness and backwardsness that were the hallmarks of the church from the inquisition through the industrial revolution.
Bottom Line: Hey, the RCC isn't perfect. But they're trying. Are you?
Er, no, not unless you haven't checked in about a decade...
Last count: ~ 5.7 Billion
Ergo, % RCC = ~ 19.3%
...which is still a heck of a lot of folks.
Ethnocentricity has no place on the internet? Who's saying that there is any? If the RCC says St. So-and-so is now the patron of the Internet, would it change the Net any more than the "Our Lady of the Highways" shrine changes the Jersey Turnpike? (read: it doesn't)
I don't think so.
What purpose does open discussion serve? If folks believe in something, let them believe.
Brainwashed? If you believe that 1.1 billion people have been brainwashed and that you're not, you need to take a very hard look at your reality. EXAMPLE: Tear up a $100 bill. I mean into a thousand, untapeable pieces. Go ahead, right now. You won't, because you BELIEVE it's worth something.
You're as "brainwashed" as anyone else, my friend.
As for Windoze, say what you will. To the winner goes the spoils. That's capitalism. If Red Hat or someone else can wrest control, great! In 10 years others will be complaining about the lack of choice in Linux, and how much BETTER OSDEJURE is because it's cool because it's not as popular as the fascist Red Had.
WAKE UP AND SMELL THE COFFEE!
Out of date? Why? Because it's the 90's? Well, it was the 90's 100 years ago and it will be the 90s in another 100. The church's values are not the point of debate. You're talking about a religious organization that stretches the globe, has 1.1 BILLION adherents, and has existed for nearly 2000 years.
I personally am GLAD the RCC moves slowly. Society needs an anchor, a set of ideals that keep it civilized. Imagine had the church gone pro-eugenics in the 1900s. Many of us would no doubt be dead. (unless you're PERFECT in every possible way. Yeah, right). Et cetera.
The point is that the church is actually very good about keeping up with the times, all things considered. Why NOT a patron saint for the 'Net? It HAS kept up with modern technology... ever go to the Vatican website? Remember the flood of fax machines, computers and other stuff the church smuggled into Poland during the Reagan years?
Either not hit a deer with your car, are vegitarian, or don't understand that if you have too many of a critter in an area, they get sick and die. It's more humane to kill a deer with one shot and then USE the meat rather than let it starve to death because there are too many of them in a particular area.
This is a good point, but also remember that it's not one tank, it's an armoured unit/column!
:-)
A Legion (5000 men, for example) against 12 T-72s? I don't know, but the tanks should almost always win.
Samarai have the same attack strength (3) and can move a lot quicker.
:-( It's another (controversial) but good addition to the game, I agree.
:-)
Which is nice, I guess. I just wished they called them something else! (Irksome game detaiil).
Now, you can't take any wheeled or horse units into mountains without roads.
Which is a good innovation.
(I never played CivII. But, I damned near flunked out of college on quarter playing the original.. Ah...)
Lawyers are nasty but corporate branches......
...
Personally, I like the religious and economic warfare. Slavery (although being African-American I built abolitionists very quickly) is an essential element in the history of most great civilizations from the Romans and Vikings to the Americans, Chinese and Japanese.
You also forget about just about all of eastern europe and russia... Slav is latin for slave. The serfs of russia, austria and germany were no better off.
However, WTF is this about the Jamaican and Cuban civilizations? Haiti (the 2nd independent black nation after Ethiopia) is more of a civilization than those two.
I would even say Nubia (supposed ancient civ we don't know enough about) would have been a better bet. But where are Poland, Morocco, et cetera? Hmm. I wonder how many folks know that Cuba's flag is Puerto Rico's reversed and that both colonies (when taken from Spain) had governments set up by Freemansons?
Oh, to the nut who surrounded his cities with warriors. No, that's what diplomats are for. They can see slavers and clerics!!!
...
Man, I love the theocracy!
I'm a Republic kinda guy myself.
I agree with everything you mentioned (and then some!) However, these is one explanation I came across for the tank quandry:
The units need some tweaking: So here I am, rolling along in my tank, about to assault the puny Americans with five legions in their city.
Legions. You know, footmen with swords?
The tank loses.
I did it twice more, thinking it was just bad luck. Now, admittedly, maybe I should've been picking on someone my own size... Sure, they were in the mountains. Sure, they had city walls and were fortified... But it's a friggin' TANK! How do footmen with swords kill tanks?
There was floated back in Civ 1 the idea that as time passes, the other guy doesn't REALLY have Legions (or whatever the unit supposedly is). He actually has a modern fighting force, but it is poorly trained, equipped or whatever and so is only worth the VALUE of a Legion. (Obviously, this is moot in Civ 2 with the Firepower rating system).
The real world example would be Vietnam: a US Rifleman (in civ 1) was 5/5/1. The ARVN had the same stuff, but was only effective as a Musketeer, and in Civ 1 would appear as one. (3/3/1).
So the Legions you lost to were armed with rifles or whatnot, they're just poor troops. (I know, it didn't help me deal with loosing 3 battleships to an unfortified Phalinx in the desert, either.)
-Markvs
Odd, my cut & paste reply didn't come over. (seems like all the lines I wrote got del'ed!)
-Markvs
I have this game for Windows, and it is a piece of junk. For everything they improved on Civ 2 from, they screwed something else up. (This is after about 20 hours of gameplay). I won't waste my Linux box's HD space on this turkey.
Good stuff:
You can que up city production.
The graphics are better.
The combat is better, especially the city battle screens. This may be the best improvement in the game. You can actually see the units arrayed against you!
The more government styles, and the fact that you can compare them side by side before changing.
Trade routes make sense, as only cities with goods can trade.
Space, undersea, piracy, et cetera. All nice.
Units now "see ahead", like naval units did in Civ/Civ 2.
Bad stuff:
Why can't I custom name a civ anymore?
Where are the old wonders and most of the old technologies?
Where are the catapults?
The game went from being keyboard (and mouse to move around the map) to mouse (and keyboard to do things that are too annoying to do with a mouse).
A good deal of the advances make no sense. No concieveable socitey, for example, could have knights and samauri. (I won't get into this, or how many other discrepencies there are, in comparison to Civ 2)
The opening Civs are suspect: Why is Canada in there (for example), and countries like Poland not? The pics seem to be more for the countries the expect the game to sell. (Babylon and such not withstanding)
The whole conversion thing is a serious detriment to gameplay. In one game I had 15 cities, and in but 4 turns 10 of them had been converted to the religion of another civ that I HADN'T YET SEEN! Further, I had units fortifed around the cities, so I should have seen their cleric coming.
The cost to convert BACK a city is rapacious, and they can just try to re-convert it again the NEXT TURN. UGH!
The advisors are gone. Athough fairly useless in the past, at least in Civ 2 there were amusing and (while learning the game) would let you know how you're doing.
Anyway, I can go on and on. It's really an okay game if you've never played Civ before, but I had expected much, much better.
-Markvs