Most of the parts would probably be used inside the shielded and pressurized compartments.
The more universal challenge is the lifecycle performance (including during manufacturing) of the formation of the polymer materials in microgravity, and in orbital stresses.
Better to launch the stuff off the moon into an orbit where a station can capture it for manufacturing.
A multi-country project (US, EU, Russia, China, India) could enforce the power ceilings and trajectory controls on the launcher to prevent it from becoming a gun pointed at the Earth. Maybe a Far Side launcher with each country harboring takedown weapons pointed at the muzzle, in case they didn't approve a shot.
Even if this project isn't necessary (or more useful than alternatives), it is totally worth doing for its own sake. The ISS should launch the era of space based manufacturing. That R&D will give us a huge jump into issues of microgravity and orbital mechanics, as well as 100% recycling/reuse of manufacturing byproducts. But it will also move forward both automated and remote manufacturing, especially of short-run items, that will improve manufacturing here on Earth.
It will give us a reason to exploit the nearby near-vacuum, and other local environment resources (eg. direct solar - in large quantities, but also causing very high temperature gradients in light/shade). Hard radiation and solar wind could help us make things that are impossible or prohibitively expensive on Earth. And it will also create demand for harvesting planetoid resources, whether the Moon, asteroids or other interplanetary matter. Which will bootstrap the further exploitation of the solar system.
Space-based manufacturing is how we should make the things that we disperse around the solar system, instead of launching the matter out of Earth's gravity well. We should be launching only what we need to make devices that make things. We should be able to transmit data and instructions for making new machines, some of which will take new data and instructions for making newer machines. Some of these machines can be very large - like other orbital stations, or other probes to launch. We should get started making things in orbit that can be landed on the Moon to start a base there, exploiting Lunar materials for further manufacturing.
And all of these improvements will bring better manufacturing back to Earth, even if only in lessons learned.
The ISS was worth doing for its own sake. What an achievement! It inspires the world. But now that it's largely completed, it should be our platform for projects that aren't an end in themselves. Moving humanity's tool use into effective use and occupation of the extraterrestrial neighborhood will be a vast dividend that will never stop paying us back.
A simple "no oxygen on Jupiter/Uranus/Neptune" would have been sufficient, and less obnoxiously condescending. Then we could have discussed alternative methods of exploiting the energy in the gas giants' atmosphere. Now I'm not interested.
More than one Mars probe have crashed through the surface. The Martian subsurface sounds like a darwinian filter for Earth extremophiles. Crash enough probes, and the race is on!
No, you want to drop a power plant into it that burns the fuel to power a laser pumping energy to a satellite in orbit. Either redirect the laser into a solar sail, or transduce the laser into some other energy form that does what you want. Maybe heating to vast pressures some interplanetary gas/dust that shoots out a rocket, or electromagnetically accelerates interplanetary dust, or powers an orbital station. Maybe it powers a space elevator factory that consumes asteroids or bits of moon.
We've already sent a bunch of ships to Mars that started in Earths microbe-swarming environment. We've probably already seeded Mars with Earth microbes.
By the time we colonize Mars, it might already be growing enough cheese for us to eat, instead of the native cheese that eats us.
There might be microbial life below Mars' surface.
But there sure is undead "life" below the surface. Where Mars teems with billions of vampires. They coated the surface with blood dust and headed below, where they're protected from the sunlight above.
More unmanned probes to root them out before we send any humans there, and no return trips.
I certainly consider any congressmember insider trading on their privileged info to be criminals. Darrell Issa, for example, bought deeply discounted property from a bank he had the power to bail out or not. But the rest of them, and there are many regardless of party, are all criminals, too. Somehow, though, you read the Wikipedia article and missed the political crimes that were the subject of my post saying I don't trust the Issa bill this Slashdot story reports.
Solyndra was not a scam - it was a failed investment by the Federal government. Its fund has had far fewer failures, especially during this recession, than its private counterparts. It failed because Obama failed to stop China from dumping solar illegally. There do seem to have been some collusions between DoE and Solyndra, delaying its bad outlook until after the election, which do seem criminal. Those are misdemeanors, though, the kind that rise to felony only in their commonplace frequency. And I don't see Obama directly implicated, even though there are appointees who might be. If there's actual evidence of Obama actually doing something for personal gain rather than according to an established (and valid) industrial policy I'll believe it when I see it.
I don't really trust any of them. But Issa's career, especially his political career, gives me ample reason to distrust him and the products of his office. For example, the Solyndra that you miscall a scam, Issa has wasted ever more precious government time and money flogging in terms that are at least as applicable to his own promotion of Aptera which was a far less reliable investment than was Solyndra. Somehow you didn't notice that in the Wikipedia article, either.
Libertarians are Republicans who don't want to admit it. Corporate anarchy in the power vacuum vacated by legitimate government. Republicans are Libertarians who don't want to admit it. Corporate anarchists.
I am registered as no party. Parties are the problem, even fake ones like the Libertarian Party. They're political corruption clubs. There are, however, degrees, as in valuing any human activity. Republicans are the worst degree of distrustworthy politicians.
Anything coming out of Darrell Issa I just don't trust. His business career was criminal, and his political career has been even worse.
But these congressmembers don't usually know anything about what's in legislation they support or oppose except what lobbyists tell them. Wyden usually seems to know what he's talking about. I don't know what's in it for Issa, but Republicans are so lockstep that getting one like Issa to support it is necessary if it's going to go anywhere in Congress. Especially when so many Democratic congressmembers are never going to protect actual rights to free speech/press when Hollywood's against it.
What I want is Linux cmdline tools that work on object pipelines the way Windows PowerShell does. It's got a grep that works on objects in the pipeline. I think Unix/Linux could do it better. Though maybe Android is a better environment for that kind of shell to thrive, instead of fighting the momentum/inertia in Unix/Linux shells all geared to unstructured data in pipelines. With Google I'm surprised they're investing anything in Unix instead of Android. Maybe they leverage the Unix developer community into an Android port.
A programmer can use XPath to find something in XML by writing a program that uses XPath. XPath and XSLT cannot be used to find an object in XML any more than iambic pentameter tells a story - you need to write a poem in it to do that.
The cmdline tools you link to are actual examples of what I'm talking about. Thank you for that.
Those are tools for using to decode (or reencode) an XML doc, but they don't do any searching for content matches. An "object grep" like what I described could use them to parse XML, but they're not the grepper.
Your tool sounds interesting. But what I'm talking about is for actual instances of objects, not source code - which would give only classes, not objects. I described objects serialized in XML, and possibly the actual binaries in RAM, decoded according to either XML DTD or maybe binaries according to source code (which seems very ambitious).
Vast amounts of OS SW has been funded by the government. BSD was developed by UC Berkeley, which is largely funded by Pentagon contracts.
And the Internet.
Meanwhile, the vast majority of open source projects never get past the opening statement.
You clearly don't know what it takes to accomplish a project like this one. What have you ever done, that gives you some standing to announce that this Usenix project is a load of crap?
I'd like a grep tool that could scan XML data for instances of objects (according to some XSD or DTD), and take object state values as arguments to search objects for.
If it could scan objects in memory I'd love that better, but XML seems the only likely candidate for a format that a universal tool would parse.
When was the last time you looked at one of your reps and screamed about their underperformance for overpay? Never. We have elections to do that.
People motivated by public service instead of money can do a good job. There is no reason to feel indebted to anyone taking a pay cut for a while to do public service - the job itself is much of the reward, for the right people. And of course the public office increases their earning power afterwards, even if they're not corrupt. Besides, most of the work is done not by the elected official, but rather the salaried workers in their offices and throughout the government.
Those other projects aren't nearly as expensive as Mozilla (should be). So OK: they'd all together cost the JVM part of my team. $100M a year is still far too much. For a team that doesn't advertise, ship or have a lot of expensive managers - to say nothing of no profit for any shareholders.
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Most of the parts would probably be used inside the shielded and pressurized compartments.
The more universal challenge is the lifecycle performance (including during manufacturing) of the formation of the polymer materials in microgravity, and in orbital stresses.
The linings of the hoses are not necessarily interchangeable, depending on what the hose carries.
Better to launch the stuff off the moon into an orbit where a station can capture it for manufacturing.
A multi-country project (US, EU, Russia, China, India) could enforce the power ceilings and trajectory controls on the launcher to prevent it from becoming a gun pointed at the Earth. Maybe a Far Side launcher with each country harboring takedown weapons pointed at the muzzle, in case they didn't approve a shot.
Even if this project isn't necessary (or more useful than alternatives), it is totally worth doing for its own sake. The ISS should launch the era of space based manufacturing. That R&D will give us a huge jump into issues of microgravity and orbital mechanics, as well as 100% recycling/reuse of manufacturing byproducts. But it will also move forward both automated and remote manufacturing, especially of short-run items, that will improve manufacturing here on Earth.
It will give us a reason to exploit the nearby near-vacuum, and other local environment resources (eg. direct solar - in large quantities, but also causing very high temperature gradients in light/shade). Hard radiation and solar wind could help us make things that are impossible or prohibitively expensive on Earth. And it will also create demand for harvesting planetoid resources, whether the Moon, asteroids or other interplanetary matter. Which will bootstrap the further exploitation of the solar system.
Space-based manufacturing is how we should make the things that we disperse around the solar system, instead of launching the matter out of Earth's gravity well. We should be launching only what we need to make devices that make things. We should be able to transmit data and instructions for making new machines, some of which will take new data and instructions for making newer machines. Some of these machines can be very large - like other orbital stations, or other probes to launch. We should get started making things in orbit that can be landed on the Moon to start a base there, exploiting Lunar materials for further manufacturing.
And all of these improvements will bring better manufacturing back to Earth, even if only in lessons learned.
The ISS was worth doing for its own sake. What an achievement! It inspires the world. But now that it's largely completed, it should be our platform for projects that aren't an end in themselves. Moving humanity's tool use into effective use and occupation of the extraterrestrial neighborhood will be a vast dividend that will never stop paying us back.
A simple "no oxygen on Jupiter/Uranus/Neptune" would have been sufficient, and less obnoxiously condescending. Then we could have discussed alternative methods of exploiting the energy in the gas giants' atmosphere. Now I'm not interested.
Sounds like more darwinian filters promoting extremeophiles to colonize Mars :).
More than one Mars probe have crashed through the surface. The Martian subsurface sounds like a darwinian filter for Earth extremophiles. Crash enough probes, and the race is on!
Aluminum corrodes in oxygen. I don't think it does in the Martian atmosphere that is mostly CO2.
No, you want to drop a power plant into it that burns the fuel to power a laser pumping energy to a satellite in orbit. Either redirect the laser into a solar sail, or transduce the laser into some other energy form that does what you want. Maybe heating to vast pressures some interplanetary gas/dust that shoots out a rocket, or electromagnetically accelerates interplanetary dust, or powers an orbital station. Maybe it powers a space elevator factory that consumes asteroids or bits of moon.
What does methane break down into, when there's no free oxygen to break it down? What breaks it down?
We've already sent a bunch of ships to Mars that started in Earths microbe-swarming environment. We've probably already seeded Mars with Earth microbes.
By the time we colonize Mars, it might already be growing enough cheese for us to eat, instead of the native cheese that eats us.
There might be microbial life below Mars' surface.
But there sure is undead "life" below the surface. Where Mars teems with billions of vampires. They coated the surface with blood dust and headed below, where they're protected from the sunlight above.
More unmanned probes to root them out before we send any humans there, and no return trips.
I certainly consider any congressmember insider trading on their privileged info to be criminals. Darrell Issa, for example, bought deeply discounted property from a bank he had the power to bail out or not. But the rest of them, and there are many regardless of party, are all criminals, too. Somehow, though, you read the Wikipedia article and missed the political crimes that were the subject of my post saying I don't trust the Issa bill this Slashdot story reports.
Solyndra was not a scam - it was a failed investment by the Federal government. Its fund has had far fewer failures, especially during this recession, than its private counterparts. It failed because Obama failed to stop China from dumping solar illegally. There do seem to have been some collusions between DoE and Solyndra, delaying its bad outlook until after the election, which do seem criminal. Those are misdemeanors, though, the kind that rise to felony only in their commonplace frequency. And I don't see Obama directly implicated, even though there are appointees who might be. If there's actual evidence of Obama actually doing something for personal gain rather than according to an established (and valid) industrial policy I'll believe it when I see it.
I don't really trust any of them. But Issa's career, especially his political career, gives me ample reason to distrust him and the products of his office. For example, the Solyndra that you miscall a scam, Issa has wasted ever more precious government time and money flogging in terms that are at least as applicable to his own promotion of Aptera which was a far less reliable investment than was Solyndra. Somehow you didn't notice that in the Wikipedia article, either.
Libertarians are Republicans who don't want to admit it. Corporate anarchy in the power vacuum vacated by legitimate government. Republicans are Libertarians who don't want to admit it. Corporate anarchists.
I am registered as no party. Parties are the problem, even fake ones like the Libertarian Party. They're political corruption clubs. There are, however, degrees, as in valuing any human activity. Republicans are the worst degree of distrustworthy politicians.
It's not luck that protects me from bullshit charges like yours.
You sound like a Republican.
It's a very specific allegation of arson. And then there's the allegation by the business associate that he ripped him off.
And then there's the criminal political career that you won't mention. You Republicans don't consider crimes by Republican politicians criminal.
The facts in the article are linked in citations to the sources.
Learn to read (21st Century style).
Anything coming out of Darrell Issa I just don't trust. His business career was criminal, and his political career has been even worse.
But these congressmembers don't usually know anything about what's in legislation they support or oppose except what lobbyists tell them. Wyden usually seems to know what he's talking about. I don't know what's in it for Issa, but Republicans are so lockstep that getting one like Issa to support it is necessary if it's going to go anywhere in Congress. Especially when so many Democratic congressmembers are never going to protect actual rights to free speech/press when Hollywood's against it.
+1 Insightful.
What I want is Linux cmdline tools that work on object pipelines the way Windows PowerShell does. It's got a grep that works on objects in the pipeline. I think Unix/Linux could do it better. Though maybe Android is a better environment for that kind of shell to thrive, instead of fighting the momentum/inertia in Unix/Linux shells all geared to unstructured data in pipelines. With Google I'm surprised they're investing anything in Unix instead of Android. Maybe they leverage the Unix developer community into an Android port.
Standards are tool for programmers.
A programmer can use XPath to find something in XML by writing a program that uses XPath. XPath and XSLT cannot be used to find an object in XML any more than iambic pentameter tells a story - you need to write a poem in it to do that.
The cmdline tools you link to are actual examples of what I'm talking about. Thank you for that.
Those are tools for using to decode (or reencode) an XML doc, but they don't do any searching for content matches. An "object grep" like what I described could use them to parse XML, but they're not the grepper.
Your tool sounds interesting. But what I'm talking about is for actual instances of objects, not source code - which would give only classes, not objects. I described objects serialized in XML, and possibly the actual binaries in RAM, decoded according to either XML DTD or maybe binaries according to source code (which seems very ambitious).
Vast amounts of OS SW has been funded by the government. BSD was developed by UC Berkeley, which is largely funded by Pentagon contracts.
And the Internet.
Meanwhile, the vast majority of open source projects never get past the opening statement.
You clearly don't know what it takes to accomplish a project like this one. What have you ever done, that gives you some standing to announce that this Usenix project is a load of crap?
I'd like a grep tool that could scan XML data for instances of objects (according to some XSD or DTD), and take object state values as arguments to search objects for.
If it could scan objects in memory I'd love that better, but XML seems the only likely candidate for a format that a universal tool would parse.
When was the last time you looked at one of your reps and screamed about their underperformance for overpay? Never. We have elections to do that.
People motivated by public service instead of money can do a good job. There is no reason to feel indebted to anyone taking a pay cut for a while to do public service - the job itself is much of the reward, for the right people. And of course the public office increases their earning power afterwards, even if they're not corrupt. Besides, most of the work is done not by the elected official, but rather the salaried workers in their offices and throughout the government.
Those other projects aren't nearly as expensive as Mozilla (should be). So OK: they'd all together cost the JVM part of my team. $100M a year is still far too much. For a team that doesn't advertise, ship or have a lot of expensive managers - to say nothing of no profit for any shareholders.