That's what you get from you IT minister when he's appointed by a military coup directed by the military dictator ("king") against your too-popular Prime Minister.
Then again, when your PM uses his family's telco to steal over a $BILLION from the country, it's no surprise his IT director will be fired, and the old IT policies discarded.
Sure, an Anonymous Republican Coward tells me that a major policy announcement by America's favorite agency one week after a party-reversal election is equal to "anything" "within 3 months" of "any election". I supposed finally firing Rumsfeld was part of Bush's previously announced Mars program.
Just so you know about the American democracy that you Republicans (usually Anonymous Cowards, especially in Washington and Texas) have ignored for at least 6 years: nonincumbents don't have the power to tell NASA to do anything until January 1, 2007.
FYI, the Republican government has effectively been in recess since the election, until the next session begins, by their choice (about 8% of the 109th Congress). Except for ramming through some anticonstitutional work they couldn't complete during their reign, like reinstalling the monstrous Bolton, retroactively covering Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld from war crimes with laws retroactively legalizing the warrantless NSA spying, and probably a host of other Unitary Executive rules Congress will throw Bush to wield, thwarting America's unprecedented ripping of power from his hands last week.
Why should I "never mind" that NASA scientists are more likely Democratic than Republican voters? That's entirely the point. Now that the Republican Reign of Error is over in the Congress that governs it, NASA is less scared to practice science. Your bizarroworld fantasy of NASA delaying a report Bush's Republican Congress would have preferred released to help them win the election is defied by every time the Congress and Bush forced NASA, like every agency, to produce policies in defiance of their mission, or good sense, or the national interest, whenever it possibly could help some Republican political agenda, no matter how provincial or wasteful.
So thanks for you coincidence theory I know you Anonymous Republican Cowards have no fun being realistic. But that's the job of people like me, and the people we like at NASA. Bet used to it, or it's going to be a long 2-14 years for you.
I guess I'd say "if I got a zen koan from it, the planet has life".
Life is in two classes: life like us, and life we don't recognize. Sometimes we change to see "new" life that itself hasn't changed, like viruses (and maybe even the computer kind).
Life is whatever is anti-entropic, and self-organized above some arbitrary degree of complexity in some arbitrarily local place. Those degrees are determined by our increasing sophistication.
You know even less about Martian entropy than do I, and I know much less than people who know anything. So you can't tell me that Mars has no life. On what evidence do you base your assertion?
Is it a coincidence that NASA announced a major mission sorely lacking in Bush's "vision" for our space program only a week after Bush lost control of Congress? And therefore most of his control of the space program that Congress defines, and Bush just gets an "up or down vote" on.
You forgot to salute and tell me you'd have to kill me if you told me.
I'm going to sleep well tonight. Even though I'm paying you and your entire industry to do nothing but lie about how you're terrorizing me and my neighbors. While you do nothing to stop a rain of incoming nukes by missile or shipping container. Except multiply the amount our enemies produce to overwhelm the marketing lies you produce about the nonworking technology.
You will continue to sleepwalk through your dream of working missile defense. Just like the past 20 years of your identical predecessors. Because they told you you're a hero.
You're welcome for the unquestioned socialism that keeps your useless work and smug attitude safe for democracy. Truth zealots like me are pretty easygoing.
Oil is the deposit of many generations of organisms under pressure. Maybe if we manufactured fake intel to convince Bush that there were oil on Mars, he'd announce an unsustainable mission to invade Mars to find the oil. We'd probably find no oil, but maybe we'd find some life there just by overstaying our welcome and enraging them. Bush could keep his perfect record.
Wait, he already did announce such a mission. As usual, Bush is way ahead of the public in insane schemes to waste money and destroy planets.
If we could make solar collection (for DC) and WiFi APs biodegradable, tribes might have even better security. Maybe their ancestors left the seeds for them growing somewhere in that cornucopia...
Now you're lying to say I'm making personal attacks on generals and corporations. How do you make a personal attack on a corporation? And why are you capitalizing the words for them, out of some kind of authoritarianism that worships both the military and its corporate partners?
Maybe you "would" suggest refraining from making baseless attacks if my criticisms weren't based in extensive facts. But you did anyway. What would prevent you from such a suggestion, since reality isn't holding you back?
I brought up Iraq because it was easy to guess that you live in a simulated reality. You know that "Iraq" is the word for "boondoggle" these days, right? Maybe not, inside your mda.mil bubble. You're the one who brought up the Qaeda attacks as an implied alternative to the cost of your Star Wars toy. Though you're lying about the cause of those costs, too. Because lots of those costs are supporting you and your warmonger industry. Which is probably looking less rosy, now that VP Fear isn't calling the shots on budgets without restraint anymore.
You have offered less than zero evidence that your point, the fictional working Star Wars system, exists at all.
So you don't have the facts, your logic and inference is useless. What are you implying should make me see things your way? A big frickin' laser beam in space? See post #1, tough guy. You are the last person I expect to impress with the merits of my case. You can't even defend your lies about Star Wars with honest argument. I should trust you to defend my civilization from a barrage of nuclear missiles?
What a load of crap. Everyone knows Star Wars doesn't work, except maybe some of the people getting paid by the longrunning boondoggle program. What's your excuse?
BTW, I note that nowhere have you offered even fake marketing^Wfacts to support your extreme claims that Star Wars works, despite acknowledging the consensus that it doesn't. To be more than fair, there is ample documentation that Star Wars is just for the movies.
If you think that we can limit the effects of terraforming another actual planet with almost totally unknown planetology (both of the planet, and the science itself) to a square Km, then you really need to stick to SF.
Just because you can't tell Republicans from Democrats doesn't mean there isn't a difference. And you don't speak for all. Especially when banging that tired old drum.
Politics is the art of the possible. Just because you're an anarchist doesn't mean we have to let the corporations take over.
And we could be invaded by Venusians right before that, who order us to invade Mars to settle their old score.
I could rattle off any number of purely hypothetical scenarios unsupported by any existing facts. We're talking about the real plan to terraform Mars before we've even checked it for existing life. The issue of whether Mars or Earth should be chosen to survive is nothing but SF. And even there, a no brainer worth discussing only in a pulp novel.
Of course, since you say so, it must work. After all, the generals and defense contractors conning us into paying for it say so, so you should say so, too. I bet you also said Iraq would be a cakewalk. I bet you blame all the money lost by our economy since 2001 on the Qaeda attacks, not the boob spending a $TRILLION a year on the Pentagon.
What "book" of yours would all that lost money be in? The Halliburton shareholders report?
TrollMods fleeing the losing Republican Congressional campaigns are already finding astrollturf work at defense contractors. Hint: the "astro" in "astrollturf" is a reference to synthetic grass, not the space program.
Riiiight, we're of course locked in a life or death struggle with Martians. Who show no real evidence yet of even existing. Or possibility of existing above the complexity of bacteria.
Watching Tom Cruise movies doesn't entitle your opinion on interplanetary relations to be taken seriously.
It was a Democratic Congress under Reagan that outlawed Star Wars. Although the Pentagon and CIA/NSC entitlement budgets hid covert Star Wars budgets for years, despite Democrats' attempts to stop them, even when Democrats were powerless in the minority - the last 12 years, the last 6 under Bush.
Shouldn't you be busy blaming Iraq on Democrats, like the rest of your party's covert pundits? Or do you all have too much time on your hands to stay busy the last 2 months you're actually running the country? I guess marketing is always Republican job #1.
Except they're not one country. And we're talking about China. Taiwan has not been subject to a ban, nor is any of the other info in this story related to Taiwan.
You can take your Anonymous political Coward agenda to some thread where they're talking about that.
Bush just can't wait for Democrats to take the blame for retreating from his Iraq War, so Bush can get back to his original plan to spend $TRILLIONS on his favorite boondoggle, the Star Wars missile defense.
Some of ">the company's largest clients include international energy companies, governments, utilities, and financial institutions.
Past keynote speeches have been given by the energy secretaries and ministers of Saudi Arabia, Iraq, Mexico, Norway, and the United States.
Which of those stakeholders will tell the public that the oil is running out, and they've planned their geopolitical economies around that curve for decades? Which of those people would avoid lying, manufacturing fake pseudoscience and cooked statistics, in the interests of truth, rather than their corporate profits?
Maybe if CERA were to say something contrary to the petrofuel industry's vested interests, they might be worth listening to - to investigate their facts, logic and conclusions. Until then, they're about as reliable as an oil slick.
Yes, of course we should start terraforming Mars before we've even really begun to look for existing life there that we'd destroy. Why worry about exterminating an entire planet when there's condos to be built?
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That's what you get from you IT minister when he's appointed by a military coup directed by the military dictator ("king") against your too-popular Prime Minister.
Then again, when your PM uses his family's telco to steal over a $BILLION from the country, it's no surprise his IT director will be fired, and the old IT policies discarded.
Sure, an Anonymous Republican Coward tells me that a major policy announcement by America's favorite agency one week after a party-reversal election is equal to "anything" "within 3 months" of "any election". I supposed finally firing Rumsfeld was part of Bush's previously announced Mars program.
Just so you know about the American democracy that you Republicans (usually Anonymous Cowards, especially in Washington and Texas) have ignored for at least 6 years: nonincumbents don't have the power to tell NASA to do anything until January 1, 2007.
FYI, the Republican government has effectively been in recess since the election, until the next session begins, by their choice (about 8% of the 109th Congress). Except for ramming through some anticonstitutional work they couldn't complete during their reign, like reinstalling the monstrous Bolton, retroactively covering Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld from war crimes with laws retroactively legalizing the warrantless NSA spying, and probably a host of other Unitary Executive rules Congress will throw Bush to wield, thwarting America's unprecedented ripping of power from his hands last week.
Why should I "never mind" that NASA scientists are more likely Democratic than Republican voters? That's entirely the point. Now that the Republican Reign of Error is over in the Congress that governs it, NASA is less scared to practice science. Your bizarroworld fantasy of NASA delaying a report Bush's Republican Congress would have preferred released to help them win the election is defied by every time the Congress and Bush forced NASA, like every agency, to produce policies in defiance of their mission, or good sense, or the national interest, whenever it possibly could help some Republican political agenda, no matter how provincial or wasteful.
So thanks for you coincidence theory I know you Anonymous Republican Cowards have no fun being realistic. But that's the job of people like me, and the people we like at NASA. Bet used to it, or it's going to be a long 2-14 years for you.
I guess I'd say "if I got a zen koan from it, the planet has life".
Life is in two classes: life like us, and life we don't recognize. Sometimes we change to see "new" life that itself hasn't changed, like viruses (and maybe even the computer kind).
Life is whatever is anti-entropic, and self-organized above some arbitrary degree of complexity in some arbitrarily local place. Those degrees are determined by our increasing sophistication.
You know even less about Martian entropy than do I, and I know much less than people who know anything. So you can't tell me that Mars has no life. On what evidence do you base your assertion?
Is it a coincidence that NASA announced a major mission sorely lacking in Bush's "vision" for our space program only a week after Bush lost control of Congress? And therefore most of his control of the space program that Congress defines, and Bush just gets an "up or down vote" on.
You forgot to salute and tell me you'd have to kill me if you told me.
I'm going to sleep well tonight. Even though I'm paying you and your entire industry to do nothing but lie about how you're terrorizing me and my neighbors. While you do nothing to stop a rain of incoming nukes by missile or shipping container. Except multiply the amount our enemies produce to overwhelm the marketing lies you produce about the nonworking technology.
You will continue to sleepwalk through your dream of working missile defense. Just like the past 20 years of your identical predecessors. Because they told you you're a hero.
You're welcome for the unquestioned socialism that keeps your useless work and smug attitude safe for democracy. Truth zealots like me are pretty easygoing.
Oil is the deposit of many generations of organisms under pressure. Maybe if we manufactured fake intel to convince Bush that there were oil on Mars, he'd announce an unsustainable mission to invade Mars to find the oil. We'd probably find no oil, but maybe we'd find some life there just by overstaying our welcome and enraging them. Bush could keep his perfect record.
Wait, he already did announce such a mission. As usual, Bush is way ahead of the public in insane schemes to waste money and destroy planets.
If we could make solar collection (for DC) and WiFi APs biodegradable, tribes might have even better security. Maybe their ancestors left the seeds for them growing somewhere in that cornucopia...
Of course I'd like to see your terminal leveled and replaced with a nice new condo, as I said. Thanks for seeing it my way.
Google links to documentation, helpfully filtered by simple search terms. If you can't even click Google, your opinion on Star Wars is worthless.
Anonymous Baba the Hut Coward.
Oh, so you do get paid to lie about Star Wars.
Now you're lying to say I'm making personal attacks on generals and corporations. How do you make a personal attack on a corporation? And why are you capitalizing the words for them, out of some kind of authoritarianism that worships both the military and its corporate partners?
Maybe you "would" suggest refraining from making baseless attacks if my criticisms weren't based in extensive facts. But you did anyway. What would prevent you from such a suggestion, since reality isn't holding you back?
I brought up Iraq because it was easy to guess that you live in a simulated reality. You know that "Iraq" is the word for "boondoggle" these days, right? Maybe not, inside your mda.mil bubble. You're the one who brought up the Qaeda attacks as an implied alternative to the cost of your Star Wars toy. Though you're lying about the cause of those costs, too. Because lots of those costs are supporting you and your warmonger industry. Which is probably looking less rosy, now that VP Fear isn't calling the shots on budgets without restraint anymore.
You have offered less than zero evidence that your point, the fictional working Star Wars system, exists at all.
So you don't have the facts, your logic and inference is useless. What are you implying should make me see things your way? A big frickin' laser beam in space? See post #1, tough guy. You are the last person I expect to impress with the merits of my case. You can't even defend your lies about Star Wars with honest argument. I should trust you to defend my civilization from a barrage of nuclear missiles?
What a load of crap. Everyone knows Star Wars doesn't work, except maybe some of the people getting paid by the longrunning boondoggle program. What's your excuse?
BTW, I note that nowhere have you offered even fake marketing^Wfacts to support your extreme claims that Star Wars works, despite acknowledging the consensus that it doesn't. To be more than fair, there is ample documentation that Star Wars is just for the movies.
If you think that we can limit the effects of terraforming another actual planet with almost totally unknown planetology (both of the planet, and the science itself) to a square Km, then you really need to stick to SF.
There's no evidence of life in front of your terminal, Anonymous Coward, and at least we've looked there. Make way for the condos!
Just because you can't tell Republicans from Democrats doesn't mean there isn't a difference. And you don't speak for all. Especially when banging that tired old drum.
Politics is the art of the possible. Just because you're an anarchist doesn't mean we have to let the corporations take over.
And we could be invaded by Venusians right before that, who order us to invade Mars to settle their old score.
I could rattle off any number of purely hypothetical scenarios unsupported by any existing facts. We're talking about the real plan to terraform Mars before we've even checked it for existing life. The issue of whether Mars or Earth should be chosen to survive is nothing but SF. And even there, a no brainer worth discussing only in a pulp novel.
Of course, since you say so, it must work. After all, the generals and defense contractors conning us into paying for it say so, so you should say so, too. I bet you also said Iraq would be a cakewalk. I bet you blame all the money lost by our economy since 2001 on the Qaeda attacks, not the boob spending a $TRILLION a year on the Pentagon.
What "book" of yours would all that lost money be in? The Halliburton shareholders report?
We've spent $BILLIONS on Star Wars, and it doesn't work. It's a boondoggle.
Just because you didn't read about it in the Drudge Report doesn't mean it isn't true. It means it is true.
Remind me again which master of the economy you've been voting for the past 6 years? Which master of military strategy? Which master of science?
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TrollMods fleeing the losing Republican Congressional campaigns are already finding astrollturf work at defense contractors. Hint: the "astro" in "astrollturf" is a reference to synthetic grass, not the space program.
Riiiight, we're of course locked in a life or death struggle with Martians. Who show no real evidence yet of even existing. Or possibility of existing above the complexity of bacteria.
Watching Tom Cruise movies doesn't entitle your opinion on interplanetary relations to be taken seriously.
Wrong, Anonymous Republican Coward.
It was a Democratic Congress under Reagan that outlawed Star Wars. Although the Pentagon and CIA/NSC entitlement budgets hid covert Star Wars budgets for years, despite Democrats' attempts to stop them, even when Democrats were powerless in the minority - the last 12 years, the last 6 under Bush.
Shouldn't you be busy blaming Iraq on Democrats, like the rest of your party's covert pundits? Or do you all have too much time on your hands to stay busy the last 2 months you're actually running the country? I guess marketing is always Republican job #1.
Except they're not one country. And we're talking about China. Taiwan has not been subject to a ban, nor is any of the other info in this story related to Taiwan.
You can take your Anonymous political Coward agenda to some thread where they're talking about that.
Bush just can't wait for Democrats to take the blame for retreating from his Iraq War, so Bush can get back to his original plan to spend $TRILLIONS on his favorite boondoggle, the Star Wars missile defense.
Working link to Cambridge Energy Associates.
Which of those stakeholders will tell the public that the oil is running out, and they've planned their geopolitical economies around that curve for decades? Which of those people would avoid lying, manufacturing fake pseudoscience and cooked statistics, in the interests of truth, rather than their corporate profits?
Maybe if CERA were to say something contrary to the petrofuel industry's vested interests, they might be worth listening to - to investigate their facts, logic and conclusions. Until then, they're about as reliable as an oil slick.
Yes, of course we should start terraforming Mars before we've even really begun to look for existing life there that we'd destroy. Why worry about exterminating an entire planet when there's condos to be built?