We already have plenty of places we know we can tap geothermal without messing with surface volcanoes.
Our current drilling technologies are routinely drilling 2 miles below the sea floor, starting a mile below the sea surface. We've got plenty of drilling tech to drill plenty of geothermal.
It takes a lot of $billions to make a $trillion. Many of the $billions the petrofuel corps spend are handed to them by the US Congress. Which I'm paying so that you have cheaper gas than the $8 gallons the rest of the world has. And I'm not even counting the $billions in wars I'm helping pay so your gas supply chain stays open for business.
I have CFLs that paid for themselves in six months over 2 years ago. All but one defective one are still working. I replaced incandescents at least 10-20% more often than that, but I have yet to actually see a CFL reach its lifetime. The CFL warnings say just what I said. They don't say "evacuate" or other exaggerations like what you said.
Electric cars are already extremely fast when they're designed for speed instead of mileage efficiency. But the fact is that most people aren't as interested in the speed as in the efficiency. But people like you who are also benefit from them.
You don't really know what you're talking about. You're just projecting from your foregone conclusions that protect your existing gasoline car.
Yes, investing in pure finance rather than in any actual capital or labor has really protected renters, their energy costs, and the economy generally.
Power corp stocks like Con Ed have a 15x P/E ratio, or a 15 year payback (if 100% of earnings are issued as dividends, which they're not). Solar panels have a 3-5-7 year payback (depending on local conditions). Yes, you can sell the stocks, but you can sell the solar panels with the house. The research in the story we're discussing shows that panels, which can cost $3:55:W at Costco + probably half that for installation, sell for something like 5%+ more than their net cost, even before subsidies. Which means that solar panels are better than twice as good an investment as even investing in evil power corp monopolies.
Renters should invest in buying a home, and then go from there. If they don't they're not investors.
Costco is now selling solar PV systems including a 5060WDC for $18K, or $3.55:W. $5.50:W increased home value sounds like a good way to nearly double your investment in solar, even before the subsidies cut the cost to $2:W or less, tripling it or better.
No, volcanoes are around only where the most irresistibly cheap geothermal is an option. Like when oil was first collected from only pools on the surface.
There's more than enough tappable geothermal power available without taunting fickle volcanoes. Though doing so in more remote areas will teach us more about both power and the volcanoes. There's plenty of live labs to try it without worrying about causing a "super-eruption".
No, hot tubs, pools and other expensive features add value. Despite the fact that everything wears out, and requires maintenance cost. As anyone shopping for a home would know.
All you've got is guesses, and certainty of them. Slashdot forever!
I live within 10 miles of a nuke plant, and I get one-second blackouts a couple times every few months. For which service I'm paying more for the electrical network component of my bill than the average national total electric bill.
Corporations, especially energy monopolies, work tirelessly, day and night, to make my dollars worththless, and their power transcend the dollar entirely. The government, defective as it is, is the only thing you and I have to protect ourselves from them.
Per capita emissions stats are BS. The large majority of Chinese people are living in farming and other preindustrial conditions. The fraction of Chinese people who emit most of their emissions, in their factories and using motorized transit to commute to powered buildings, have higher per capita emissions than in the US.
Emissions per $production are the only sensible measurement. And the US is over 5.25 times good as China in that comparison.
Per capita emissions stats are BS. The large majority of Chinese people are living in farming and other preindustrial conditions. The fraction of Chinese people who emit most of their emissions, in their factories and using motorized transit to commute to powered buildings, have higher per capita emissions than in the US.
Emissions per $production are the only sensible measurement. And the US is over 5.25 times good as China in that comparison.
The petrofuels compete only on the $BILLIONS a year in subsidies they get. Which you are paying.
Hybrids don't cost double what straight fuel burners cost.
You're not forced to drive a smaller slower car. The rest of us who pay for your privilege to do so are being forced to pay for it.
Greenhouse emissions are causing climate change. Climate scientists say that if we cut them by 80% over the next 10-20 years we will sufficiently slow or stop climate change.
Upping the ante with "geoengineering" is failing to learn from our arrogant mistakes building up global industry that's causing climate change.
Somehow you have solar becoming the cheapest energy source in 5-10 years, but also impeding research while poor people starve the world over. No more are starving than during the generations when coal and gas were still cheap.
If you break a CFL you have to open the window and wash the area without vacuuming, not "evacuate". If you like heating with electricity from incandescents rather than burning fuel you can do so much more effectively with a $25 heater/blower on the floor than with a light bulb at the ceiling.
You really don't know what you're talking about. But we should trust your dreams of "geoengineering" to compensate for your loud, big "sexy" cars. Electric cars are faster and sexier, too.
I just tested your assertion right here. CFLs produce perfectly decent light and don't flicker. If you bought any but the clearance sale ones in the past 2-3 years. Which I didn't, and they paid for themselves in 6 months.
Driving hybrids is impractical or nonsensical? Because making IC engines extract power from petrofuel at their maximum efficiency by buffering with a battery, while gas gallons finally start to stay above $4, I suppose. Huh?
When that's your attitude, I'm neither surprised by nor interested in your interest in nukes and coal. Nor your hatred for "dirty hippies", who can never be as filthy as the nukes and coal you embrace.
Software patents do not promote progress in science or the useful arts. There is no legitimate basis for issuing someone a monopoly on the business done by a piece of software. It's open competition that promotes that progress with software.
Patents, copyrights and other prohibitions on free speech were compromised for centuries by the limits of 1700s commerce. That basis for compromise is gone. The compromise should be largely eliminated, except where it is still actually necessary.
If they push patent examination further up into the Supreme Court, they will ensure that only the richest corporations can benefit from the patent system. Which is more important to the richest corporations than any other aspect of the patent system.
It's already set up so that practically any assertion can be documented enough to be patented through a patent "examiner". The patent system now requires that any serious question be tried in a patent defense appeals court, the first time that a judge with any real experience in patents and inventions makes the decision. Which already favors richer corporations, rather than mere inventors. Microsoft and other corporations that trade their equity in stock markets based on government issued monopolies ("patents") want an expensive legal process, that only they can afford, to protect their entire patent business from surprising new entrants.
They want complex and lengthy legal processes to protect their patents. They've got it. And as only lawyers and their sponsoring corporations get to argue about how much more wrangling is part of the process, they'll get ever more of it.
Because actual inventors are the enemy of these incumbent monopolists.
Libya today demonstrates the value of nukes that you really can't use. Because Kadaffy gave up his nuks programme, and now can't use it to defend from NATO airstrikes giving rebels the chance to overthrow him.
I'm glad Kadaffy doesn't have those nukes. But Iran must be absolutely certain now of the value of having them.
I hope it's true that the US and Israel got Siemens to attack Iran's nukes programme. I certainly prefer that to either Iran having nukes, or any shooting war to interfere with that. I'd love to finally hear for once that the US spook programme is actually doing something smart to disarm an actual threat to us, especially coming out of Iran - instead of collaborating with Iran on arms deals, drug deals and any other deal the Iranians benefit from. I'd be really happy to hear that Israel was finally earning some of the many $billions the US has shoved at Israel for decades, despite Israel's using that money to go far beyond self defense into serious abuse that costs even more $billions from the US to cope with. And I'd be please that a giant German corp was using its ongoing business with Iran to help disarm the threats that the embargoes don't keep from growing.
If I were an Iranian I might feel differently. If I were a powerful Iranian, benefiting from that tyranny and desperate for nukes to protect me from foreign enemies and even my own people, I sure would feel differently. But I'm not. I'm an American, and I hope that my country, Israel and a German corporation have done serious damage to Iran's nukes programme without firing a shot.
I wouldn't ask you. You don't even know what "false flag" means. Let alone the fact that "we don't know for sure" is true about practically everything we need to learn. Evidently whatever school you used, like probably a home "school", didn't work.
It is right and correct to require children to do things that are good for them, even when someone else decides what is good for them. Education is one of those things.
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Your defense is that you're lawyering in a debate about math? You're guilty.
We already have plenty of places we know we can tap geothermal without messing with surface volcanoes.
Our current drilling technologies are routinely drilling 2 miles below the sea floor, starting a mile below the sea surface. We've got plenty of drilling tech to drill plenty of geothermal.
It takes a lot of $billions to make a $trillion. Many of the $billions the petrofuel corps spend are handed to them by the US Congress. Which I'm paying so that you have cheaper gas than the $8 gallons the rest of the world has. And I'm not even counting the $billions in wars I'm helping pay so your gas supply chain stays open for business.
I have CFLs that paid for themselves in six months over 2 years ago. All but one defective one are still working. I replaced incandescents at least 10-20% more often than that, but I have yet to actually see a CFL reach its lifetime. The CFL warnings say just what I said. They don't say "evacuate" or other exaggerations like what you said.
Electric cars are already extremely fast when they're designed for speed instead of mileage efficiency. But the fact is that most people aren't as interested in the speed as in the efficiency. But people like you who are also benefit from them.
You don't really know what you're talking about. You're just projecting from your foregone conclusions that protect your existing gasoline car.
Yes, because the determining factor of where to live is the electricity pricing.
The article answers your questions. Why not RTFA?
Yes, investing in pure finance rather than in any actual capital or labor has really protected renters, their energy costs, and the economy generally.
Power corp stocks like Con Ed have a 15x P/E ratio, or a 15 year payback (if 100% of earnings are issued as dividends, which they're not). Solar panels have a 3-5-7 year payback (depending on local conditions). Yes, you can sell the stocks, but you can sell the solar panels with the house. The research in the story we're discussing shows that panels, which can cost $3:55:W at Costco + probably half that for installation, sell for something like 5%+ more than their net cost, even before subsidies. Which means that solar panels are better than twice as good an investment as even investing in evil power corp monopolies.
Renters should invest in buying a home, and then go from there. If they don't they're not investors.
They're already practical enough to be statistical, and the statistics indicate extreme safety.
Name a single such incident in the past decade, during which millions of homes have installed solar panels.
Then I'll name a thousand homes burned in that time by their electrical grid connections.
Costco is now selling solar PV systems including a 5060WDC for $18K, or $3.55:W. $5.50:W increased home value sounds like a good way to nearly double your investment in solar, even before the subsidies cut the cost to $2:W or less, tripling it or better.
No, volcanoes are around only where the most irresistibly cheap geothermal is an option. Like when oil was first collected from only pools on the surface.
There's more than enough tappable geothermal power available without taunting fickle volcanoes. Though doing so in more remote areas will teach us more about both power and the volcanoes. There's plenty of live labs to try it without worrying about causing a "super-eruption".
None so green as the dead.
No, hot tubs, pools and other expensive features add value. Despite the fact that everything wears out, and requires maintenance cost. As anyone shopping for a home would know.
All you've got is guesses, and certainty of them. Slashdot forever!
I live within 10 miles of a nuke plant, and I get one-second blackouts a couple times every few months. For which service I'm paying more for the electrical network component of my bill than the average national total electric bill.
Corporations, especially energy monopolies, work tirelessly, day and night, to make my dollars worththless, and their power transcend the dollar entirely. The government, defective as it is, is the only thing you and I have to protect ourselves from them.
You do know the difference between Mexico and the whole world? Between one datum and the average? Evidently not.
Per capita emissions stats are BS. The large majority of Chinese people are living in farming and other preindustrial conditions. The fraction of Chinese people who emit most of their emissions, in their factories and using motorized transit to commute to powered buildings, have higher per capita emissions than in the US.
Emissions per $production are the only sensible measurement. And the US is over 5.25 times good as China in that comparison.
Per capita emissions stats are BS. The large majority of Chinese people are living in farming and other preindustrial conditions. The fraction of Chinese people who emit most of their emissions, in their factories and using motorized transit to commute to powered buildings, have higher per capita emissions than in the US.
Emissions per $production are the only sensible measurement. And the US is over 5.25 times good as China in that comparison.
The petrofuels compete only on the $BILLIONS a year in subsidies they get. Which you are paying.
Hybrids don't cost double what straight fuel burners cost.
You're not forced to drive a smaller slower car. The rest of us who pay for your privilege to do so are being forced to pay for it.
Greenhouse emissions are causing climate change. Climate scientists say that if we cut them by 80% over the next 10-20 years we will sufficiently slow or stop climate change.
Upping the ante with "geoengineering" is failing to learn from our arrogant mistakes building up global industry that's causing climate change.
Somehow you have solar becoming the cheapest energy source in 5-10 years, but also impeding research while poor people starve the world over. No more are starving than during the generations when coal and gas were still cheap.
If you break a CFL you have to open the window and wash the area without vacuuming, not "evacuate". If you like heating with electricity from incandescents rather than burning fuel you can do so much more effectively with a $25 heater/blower on the floor than with a light bulb at the ceiling.
You really don't know what you're talking about. But we should trust your dreams of "geoengineering" to compensate for your loud, big "sexy" cars. Electric cars are faster and sexier, too.
I just tested your assertion right here. CFLs produce perfectly decent light and don't flicker. If you bought any but the clearance sale ones in the past 2-3 years. Which I didn't, and they paid for themselves in 6 months.
You're heating your house with coal. Even during the Summer. Congratulations!
Driving hybrids is impractical or nonsensical? Because making IC engines extract power from petrofuel at their maximum efficiency by buffering with a battery, while gas gallons finally start to stay above $4, I suppose. Huh?
When that's your attitude, I'm neither surprised by nor interested in your interest in nukes and coal. Nor your hatred for "dirty hippies", who can never be as filthy as the nukes and coal you embrace.
Software patents do not promote progress in science or the useful arts. There is no legitimate basis for issuing someone a monopoly on the business done by a piece of software. It's open competition that promotes that progress with software.
Patents, copyrights and other prohibitions on free speech were compromised for centuries by the limits of 1700s commerce. That basis for compromise is gone. The compromise should be largely eliminated, except where it is still actually necessary.
If they push patent examination further up into the Supreme Court, they will ensure that only the richest corporations can benefit from the patent system. Which is more important to the richest corporations than any other aspect of the patent system.
It's already set up so that practically any assertion can be documented enough to be patented through a patent "examiner". The patent system now requires that any serious question be tried in a patent defense appeals court, the first time that a judge with any real experience in patents and inventions makes the decision. Which already favors richer corporations, rather than mere inventors. Microsoft and other corporations that trade their equity in stock markets based on government issued monopolies ("patents") want an expensive legal process, that only they can afford, to protect their entire patent business from surprising new entrants.
They want complex and lengthy legal processes to protect their patents. They've got it. And as only lawyers and their sponsoring corporations get to argue about how much more wrangling is part of the process, they'll get ever more of it.
Because actual inventors are the enemy of these incumbent monopolists.
Libya today demonstrates the value of nukes that you really can't use. Because Kadaffy gave up his nuks programme, and now can't use it to defend from NATO airstrikes giving rebels the chance to overthrow him.
I'm glad Kadaffy doesn't have those nukes. But Iran must be absolutely certain now of the value of having them.
I hope it's true that the US and Israel got Siemens to attack Iran's nukes programme. I certainly prefer that to either Iran having nukes, or any shooting war to interfere with that. I'd love to finally hear for once that the US spook programme is actually doing something smart to disarm an actual threat to us, especially coming out of Iran - instead of collaborating with Iran on arms deals, drug deals and any other deal the Iranians benefit from. I'd be really happy to hear that Israel was finally earning some of the many $billions the US has shoved at Israel for decades, despite Israel's using that money to go far beyond self defense into serious abuse that costs even more $billions from the US to cope with. And I'd be please that a giant German corp was using its ongoing business with Iran to help disarm the threats that the embargoes don't keep from growing.
If I were an Iranian I might feel differently. If I were a powerful Iranian, benefiting from that tyranny and desperate for nukes to protect me from foreign enemies and even my own people, I sure would feel differently. But I'm not. I'm an American, and I hope that my country, Israel and a German corporation have done serious damage to Iran's nukes programme without firing a shot.
I wouldn't ask you. You don't even know what "false flag" means. Let alone the fact that "we don't know for sure" is true about practically everything we need to learn. Evidently whatever school you used, like probably a home "school", didn't work.
It is right and correct to require children to do things that are good for them, even when someone else decides what is good for them. Education is one of those things.