if all you think music/albums are is the "cost of the cd", then why aren't you buying blanks then? The cost is the blood/sweat/tears that went into recording/creating it. let's see you bust your ass on something, and then see it givin away for free.
then do you know what will happen?? we will be back to the beginning again...I can take any code I want, and release it closed. You can distribute the binaries all you want, but will never see the source
here is all I have to say: napster fucking deserve what they get. They even say on the front of their website, thet they are for the artist,copyrights,etc,etc. When metallica asked them to do something about it, they quickly responded with: what are you gonna do? ban 300,000 users. They called their bluff. And Metallica IS still anti-corporate...this time they're fighting napster(what do ya know...a corporation). It's funny to see the argument out of one side of the slashdotter's mouth: how bad the corporate world is, and out of the other, the support of a corporation like Napster, who is taking(or allowing the taking of) the rights of the true artists of this world. It's truely hypocritical, and shows the lack of intelligence or experience.
Art happens without copyright. And with the internet, there's also a large audience for it.
then get rid of the GPL. once the code is out in the open "it's gone man". we are free to do what we want with it, whether sell it, place it in closed source projects, or even add onto it, and keep it GPL. But...it doesn't work that way. "Copyrights" (read GPL) for you are alright, but when it comes to people who make money, "it's against free speech". This is total BULLSHIT, and you know it. If copyrights are taken away...then The GPL needs to be taken away also.
It's so moronic to see people in the open-source(slashdot) community getting angry when people make money. If you care so little about money...why care when others make it??
this post will be flamed by the ignorant sheep who "think" they are fighting for free-speech.
yea....online piracy...it needs to be stopped. Artists are getting their rights taken from them, and what do ya know..slashdot approves. Slashdotters need to get a clue on what "Free Speech" is. the sheep factor is really showing.
it amazes me to see the level of stupidity of slashdotters as a whole. First you act so immature (not a suprise, since most slashdotters are between the ages of 12-15 anyway),close-minded, and like complete assholes. Then you try to pass it off as free speech. The GPL is no different from the copyright in my mind. If You can go against the artists wish, and freely distribute their Mp3's, I guess I can start doing as I please with GPL'd code.
Lars had a very intelligent(more than 99.999% of the posts here on slashdot) take on the whole Mp3 scene, but no-one here seems to see it(maybe its the facism/brainwashing ie slashdot effect). "Metallica are just sellouts","metallica doesn't understand the Internet". Metallica DOES understand the Internet. They just want to protect their rights as an artist(hmmm...sounds almost like slashdotters protecting GPL from corporations.......). The fact that they banned 300,000 users is the fault at napster. Metallica was just calling their Bluff. the brainless followers(99%) have no clue what free speech is all about.
what shows me that the community is TOTALLY fucking brainless, is when the FSF is followed like a religion. They fucking sold/licensed code to Motorola. When it all comes down to it, you guys are the pawns in a large game of chess. Slashdot preaches their OSS/FSF gospel, you follow it to the tee, and they make money.
here is the conclusion: if you can't respect the rights of others, don't expect anyone else to respect yours. The OSS community will lead to the END of FREEDOMS, filled with a modern version of communists, socialists, and liberals.
sure, you might think corporations and copyrights are bad, but it's ok if 1) someone from the OSS community makes tons of money from a corporation 2) patents/copyrights are gotton for the "good" of OSS. Without the corporate world, you would not have slashdot, the internet, your computer,etc.,etc.,etc.
I think the idea of open-source is great, but not if it includes the theft of property.
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if its a society, then slashdot would be gone. Slashdot, although many of you would like to forget, is a corporation. They are in it for the money.(otherwise, they would have a non-profit organization). Before anyone talks about how bad corporations are, they should think about the fact that they are destroying the hand that feeds them.
microsoft should not be liable at all, here is why: Let's just say the same thing happened in the linux community. Who would we sue then? the distro company? linus? stallman? the creator of the mail-client? This is the problem.
if there's anyone to blame..its the stupid users. Microsoft under-estimated their intelligence. I mean shit, if they can't handle windows....Linux is an impossibility. What they need to do is have 6 or 7 different buttons for the different functions of work (get mail,etc,etc). Wow! the problem would just go away then.
you're forgetting something...Unix isn't for the End-User, and probably never will be. Most End-Users can barely understand the concept of point/click..let alone the concept of File permissions.
if a regular client(end-user) uses and *nix flavor, they would be using root, and the same thing could happen. Blame it on the users...not the software. It says DO NOT OPEN, MAY CONTAIN VIRUSES!!!. (and who the fuck would send you a.VBS anyway????).
but...blame microsoft...it's a good a scapegoat as any
this virus is Old. It's not a variant of the ILOVEU virus. THe creator of the ILOVEU virus probably took some of the code. I've seen this one over a year ago(e-mail + many IRC networks).
Your previous post did not answer even one of my arguments
alright...here's the answers: Is it some sort of control freak symptom? No, it's not..just trying to show what's right
man, you must not be anywhere near the software industry, otherwise you would see otherwise.
I like your reasoning, if im going to take something like commercial software, and make it free, it's all right. But if i take GNU software and sell it in a commercial product, it's wrong. It kind of lends itself to the open-source community, doesn't it?
I think you are getting to the point of resorting to silly (personal) tactics
sure, and you're not?!
At least they can take comfort in that there are actually people like you who buy into their propaganda
When you buy music from an artist(or RIAA). You are not just buying the packaging. You are buying the hard work and time that went into making the album. Instead of Forcing the artist into this, why not ask them first? I mean...it's their music. If we did that, we would see how many artists actually wanted their music on the Internet(For Free). But...we can't do that. It's better to just force the artists into it, and guess that they think it's alright.
I agree photocopying is fraud, but what people are doing on Napster is stealing.
At least they can take comfort in that there are actually people like you who buy into their propaganda
this must be a joke...if there's anyone here who's a mindless follower of propaganda, it's you. Unlike you, I am for FREE SPEECH. I believe in the right thing. Software piracy cannot be stopped, but that doesn't mean it's right. I would like to have the freedom to protect my property as I see fit, to keep people like you, from stealing it, or claiming it's "free speech" to steal it.
Do you even know what Free Speech is??? obviously not.
How can we maintain the Internet free for the years to come? That is the issue that needs to be dealt with. The sooner, the better
you mean instill the radical beliefs of the OSS movement on the general populas of the Internet?
you keep throwing around words like "free Speech" and "freedom" and "information wants to be Free". Who sets the boundries of limitations? You? Under your theories, I could hack someone's website, steal credit card numbers, and pirate software. The problem here, which no-one here seems to notice, is that the Whole Internet is there because of capitalism. It just isn't this vast amount of dead-space void of rules/regulations/money. What if a company only sells their software product on the Internet?
I think you got me all wrong...Napter isn't at fault (When did I say it was??). The people pirating(or stealing) the music are. No-one here sees it as bad, though. Everyone tries to justify it as "free speech", but when the same thing happens to something from the GNU/GPL license, the opposite effect occurs.(they want whoever is violating the license to stop) BTW i am strongly against Gun control
nothing is worse, then when a thief steals, gets caught, then justifies it with the thought that it's "Free Speech". What about 2 months ago, when everyone here was saying "they can't blame napster, it's the people that serve the files"??????
and why don't the same rules apply to the FSF/OSS community? There are Numerous examples of the same thing happening to OSS projects(IE, the same thing that's happening to the artist), but the tables are turned..now slashdot is against "free speech". Slashdot/it's users aren't for free speech at all.they are against Corporate America(which is actually like shooting themselves in the nuts, because slashdot is one big corporation, who is VERY interested in making lots of money off of OSS/FSF Suckers). Just because you give your software away for free, and can't make a decent living, doesn't mean everyone needs to do the same. (If you don't care about making money...don't start bitching when you can't afford a 10$ CD).
Here's a real-world example for you: Then photocopying money, and spending it is my right! It's not hurting anyone(except the economy, but who cares, Mp3's are hurting the RIAA).
I'm tired of pussies like you sceaming 'but its illegal.' Do you even read/. ever? Stories about restricting the internet are always on here.
here's the thing,for you to violate other people's rights, it's "free speech". When someone violates the GPL, pussies like you scream "it's against the GNU license".
Im not toalking about the programmers that want to be slaves and work for companies like transmeta, redhat,microsoft,etc. Im talking about the programmers that WANT TO START THEIR OWN COMPANY!
as of now, there are 1000's of "little guys" succeeding. Well, do you want small amounts of "little guys succeeding", like it is now. Or no chance in hell for the little guy to succeed, like it will be if all software was free. Think about it using real world examples: look at what happened with Car Companies: In the beginning the little guy could succeed, but now, there is a.0000000001% of such a thing happening. I mean if you would like to work for a company (In the Software Industry) for income, that's fine.
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if all you think music/albums are is the "cost of the cd", then why aren't you buying blanks then? The cost is the blood/sweat/tears that went into recording/creating it. let's see you bust your ass on something, and then see it givin away for free.
then do you know what will happen?? we will be back to the beginning again...I can take any code I want, and release it closed. You can distribute the binaries all you want, but will never see the source
here is all I have to say: napster fucking deserve what they get. They even say on the front of their website, thet they are for the artist,copyrights,etc,etc. When metallica asked them to do something about it, they quickly responded with: what are you gonna do? ban 300,000 users. They called their bluff. And Metallica IS still anti-corporate...this time they're fighting napster(what do ya know...a corporation). It's funny to see the argument out of one side of the slashdotter's mouth: how bad the corporate world is, and out of the other, the support of a corporation like Napster, who is taking(or allowing the taking of) the rights of the true artists of this world. It's truely hypocritical, and shows the lack of intelligence or experience.
real smart fucking idea asslips
so if a criminal goes into a 7-11, shoots the cashier, and robs the place, I can blame you,right? "We need privacy by having no cameras"....bullshit
you don't know what freedom is, do you? this takes away as many freedoms as the copyright does, and is the basis for a communist/socialist society
Ever heard of The OSS movement? What a roaring success that was.
Art happens without copyright. And with the internet, there's also a large audience for it.
then get rid of the GPL. once the code is out in the open "it's gone man". we are free to do what we want with it, whether sell it, place it in closed source projects, or even add onto it, and keep it GPL. But...it doesn't work that way. "Copyrights" (read GPL) for you are alright, but when it comes to people who make money, "it's against free speech". This is total BULLSHIT, and you know it. If copyrights are taken away...then The GPL needs to be taken away also.
It's so moronic to see people in the open-source(slashdot) community getting angry when people make money. If you care so little about money...why care when others make it??
this post will be flamed by the ignorant sheep who "think" they are fighting for free-speech.
alright, if I shoot you with a gun, it's your fault if you die, cause you weren't wearing a bullet-proof vest. Same reasoning....
yea....online piracy...it needs to be stopped. Artists are getting their rights taken from them, and what do ya know..slashdot approves. Slashdotters need to get a clue on what "Free Speech" is. the sheep factor is really showing.
it amazes me to see the level of stupidity of slashdotters as a whole. First you act so immature (not a suprise, since most slashdotters are between the ages of 12-15 anyway),close-minded, and like complete assholes. Then you try to pass it off as free speech. The GPL is no different from the copyright in my mind. If You can go against the artists wish, and freely distribute their Mp3's, I guess I can start doing as I please with GPL'd code.
Lars had a very intelligent(more than 99.999% of the posts here on slashdot) take on the whole Mp3 scene, but no-one here seems to see it(maybe its the facism/brainwashing ie slashdot effect). "Metallica are just sellouts","metallica doesn't understand the Internet". Metallica DOES understand the Internet. They just want to protect their rights as an artist(hmmm...sounds almost like slashdotters protecting GPL from corporations.......). The fact that they banned 300,000 users is the fault at napster. Metallica was just calling their Bluff. the brainless followers(99%) have no clue what free speech is all about.
what shows me that the community is TOTALLY fucking brainless, is when the FSF is followed like a religion. They fucking sold/licensed code to Motorola. When it all comes down to it, you guys are the pawns in a large game of chess. Slashdot preaches their OSS/FSF gospel, you follow it to the tee, and they make money.
here is the conclusion: if you can't respect the rights of others, don't expect anyone else to respect yours. The OSS community will lead to the END of FREEDOMS, filled with a modern version of communists, socialists, and liberals.
sure, you might think corporations and copyrights are bad, but it's ok if 1) someone from the OSS community makes tons of money from a corporation 2) patents/copyrights are gotton for the "good" of OSS. Without the corporate world, you would not have slashdot, the internet, your computer,etc.,etc.,etc.
I think the idea of open-source is great, but not if it includes the theft of property.
if its a society, then slashdot would be gone. Slashdot, although many of you would like to forget, is a corporation. They are in it for the money.(otherwise, they would have a non-profit organization). Before anyone talks about how bad corporations are, they should think about the fact that they are destroying the hand that feeds them.
microsoft should not be liable at all, here is why: Let's just say the same thing happened in the linux community. Who would we sue then? the distro company? linus? stallman? the creator of the mail-client? This is the problem.
if there's anyone to blame..its the stupid users. Microsoft under-estimated their intelligence. I mean shit, if they can't handle windows....Linux is an impossibility. What they need to do is have 6 or 7 different buttons for the different functions of work (get mail,etc,etc). Wow! the problem would just go away then.
here is the answer in the linux community for stopping viruses like this:
Never update technology. It will work every time.
Unix has a concept of execute permissions
.VBS anyway????).
you're forgetting something...Unix isn't for the End-User, and probably never will be. Most End-Users can barely understand the concept of point/click..let alone the concept of File permissions.
if a regular client(end-user) uses and *nix flavor, they would be using root, and the same thing could happen. Blame it on the users...not the software. It says DO NOT OPEN, MAY CONTAIN VIRUSES!!!. (and who the fuck would send you a
but...blame microsoft...it's a good a scapegoat as any
One of the biggest safeguards of Unix so far is: the sheer lack of uniformity
sadly, one of it's major downfalls as well.
this virus is Old. It's not a variant of the ILOVEU virus. THe creator of the ILOVEU virus probably took some of the code. I've seen this one over a year ago(e-mail + many IRC networks).
Your previous post did not answer even one of my arguments
alright...here's the answers:
Is it some sort of control freak symptom? No, it's not..just trying to show what's right
man, you must not be anywhere near the software industry, otherwise you would see otherwise.
I like your reasoning, if im going to take something like commercial software, and make it free, it's all right. But if i take GNU software and sell it in a commercial product, it's wrong. It kind of lends itself to the open-source community, doesn't it?
I think you are getting to the point of resorting to silly (personal) tactics
sure, and you're not?!
At least they can take comfort in that there are actually people like you who buy into their propaganda
When you buy music from an artist(or RIAA). You are not just buying the packaging. You are buying the hard work and time that went into making the album. Instead of Forcing the artist into this, why not ask them first? I mean...it's their music. If we did that, we would see how many artists actually wanted their music on the Internet(For Free). But...we can't do that. It's better to just force the artists into it, and guess that they think it's alright.
I agree photocopying is fraud, but what people are doing on Napster is stealing.
At least they can take comfort in that there are actually people like you who buy into their propaganda
this must be a joke...if there's anyone here who's a mindless follower of propaganda, it's you. Unlike you, I am for FREE SPEECH. I believe in the right thing. Software piracy cannot be stopped, but that doesn't mean it's right. I would like to have the freedom to protect my property as I see fit, to keep people like you, from stealing it, or claiming it's "free speech" to steal it.
Do you even know what Free Speech is??? obviously not.
How can we maintain the Internet free for the years to come? That is the issue that needs to be dealt with. The sooner, the better
you mean instill the radical beliefs of the OSS movement on the general populas of the Internet?
you keep throwing around words like "free Speech" and "freedom" and "information wants to be Free". Who sets the boundries of limitations? You? Under your theories, I could hack someone's website, steal credit card numbers, and pirate software. The problem here, which no-one here seems to notice, is that the Whole Internet is there because of capitalism. It just isn't this vast amount of dead-space void of rules/regulations/money. What if a company only sells their software product on the Internet?
people's art shouldn't fall under this rule.
I think you got me all wrong...Napter isn't at fault (When did I say it was??). The people pirating(or stealing) the music are. No-one here sees it as bad, though. Everyone tries to justify it as "free speech", but when the same thing happens to something from the GNU/GPL license, the opposite effect occurs.(they want whoever is violating the license to stop)
BTW i am strongly against Gun control
nothing is worse, then when a thief steals, gets caught, then justifies it with the thought that it's "Free Speech". What about 2 months ago, when everyone here was saying "they can't blame napster, it's the people that serve the files"??????
and why don't the same rules apply to the FSF/OSS community? There are Numerous examples of the same thing happening to OSS projects(IE, the same thing that's happening to the artist), but the tables are turned..now slashdot is against "free speech". Slashdot/it's users aren't for free speech at all.they are against Corporate America(which is actually like shooting themselves in the nuts, because slashdot is one big corporation, who is VERY interested in making lots of money off of OSS/FSF Suckers). Just because you give your software away for free, and can't make a decent living, doesn't mean everyone needs to do the same. (If you don't care about making money...don't start bitching when you can't afford a 10$ CD).
Here's a real-world example for you: Then photocopying money, and spending it is my right! It's not hurting anyone(except the economy, but who cares, Mp3's are hurting the RIAA).
He never said that the bands he had discovered on napster included Selloutica
metallica = sellout, only if you include Korn,Seven Dust,tool,(put any new-age rock band here)
I'm tired of pussies like you sceaming 'but its illegal.' Do you even read /. ever? Stories about restricting the internet are always on here.
here's the thing,for you to violate other people's rights, it's "free speech". When someone violates the GPL, pussies like you scream "it's against the GNU license".
It landed Linus a big job at Transmeta
Im not toalking about the programmers that want to be slaves and work for companies like transmeta, redhat,microsoft,etc. Im talking about the programmers that WANT TO START THEIR OWN COMPANY!
as of now, there are 1000's of "little guys" succeeding. Well, do you want small amounts of "little guys succeeding", like it is now. Or no chance in hell for the little guy to succeed, like it will be if all software was free. Think about it using real world examples: look at what happened with Car Companies: In the beginning the little guy could succeed, but now, there is a .0000000001% of such a thing happening. I mean if you would like to work for a company (In the Software Industry) for income, that's fine.