I run a computer store. (yes linux, boxen go out my door)a year and a half ago, the normal channel suppliers didn't have a pentium mmx at the speed I needed for a machine. So, I went to a gray market supplier. (not an authorized intel supplier) The fools sent me a remarked chip, which luckily, the motherboard identified correctly. (not mmx) At the time intel had on their web site a program called cupid, cpu id program. I ran it and sure enough this wasn't what they had sold me, nor was the stepping number consistant with the speed that was marked on the bottom chip. These turkeys didn't want at first to replace the chip with the correct one, (they said that intel had made a mistake in marking the chip)until I told them that Intel wanted their company name. Needless to say I don't use them as a supplier any more. I really can't afford the grief that this kind of a supplier can cause my shop. Overclocking as something to ship out of the shop. Well, I shown users who seem to have a pretty good handle on technology, some of the web sites devoted to overclocking, but shipping one, nope, voids warranty on the machine. Overclocking isn't necessarly a bad idea, but if the user isn't aware what the risks and benifits are, shouldn't be done. My kid however has always had an overclocked system, and thinks its the only way to go. His system btw is completely stable, fast and can be left on always if you want, though he doesn't like the leds glowing at night (its in his bedroom) so he generally shuts it off at night.
I'm not sure if I should cheer or scream about this possible event. Microsoft dominated many mac machines with their office products, and look where apple is now. Another issue about this I'm worried about is that Microsoft products lead you on with how easy they are to use until you actually have to do something complicated with them. They then are much more difficult to use then the products, that were harder to use at first. Example; set up a simple database with Access and mysql. With the templates Access is much easier to use at first. Then try to use Access as a backend for a Web based store. Mysql beats the heck out of Access at this point, unless you love writing databases with basic code. Bill Gates will probobly try to dominate the Linux side of the industry, and might by discouraging any other people thinking about writing a great office suite.
We're in the process of formulating the specifics of the challenge. Can you check back later this week?
In the meantime I'm sending you a "reseller kit" containing a free BeOS and a video for you to evaluate.
Thanks,
Dave Johnson
-------- Dave Johnson Sales Manager, Retail Channels Be, Inc. http://www.be.com
> > >Attn Jean Luise Gasse > > > >Ok, I'm an OEM, and Mr. Gasse wants me to have an optional install of > Be > >for free on my system. Exactly what price am I buying the Beos for > these > >machines. If I am to install Beos for free, and support the os for > free > >(generally assumed by endusers that this is the way to go) then will > you > >let me get the OS for free? BTW, Linux is already an option on my > machines. > >I'll either set up Linux as the sole machine or have the machine dual > boot > >into windows and Linux. > > > >Doug Moreen > >Silicon Mountain Technologies > >814 Priscilla Way > >Hamilton, MT 59840 > >dogem@initco.net > > > > >
Hi, I'm an owner of a small OEM who has been making the choice available to the enduser about which OS or combo of OS's are installed on the system. When I saw the article about Gasse telling OEM's to install the OS for "free" I thought hmm, does that mean I'm supposed to buy the OS for 30 to 70 bucks and give it away with the system, That only work with Linux if you have something that doesn't cost you anything to start with. If Linux is going to be installed on the system, I actually advise endusers that they might really prefer to get a commericial distribution to get the book, cd's and extra applications included with these distributions. Most endusers agree. OEM's really can't afford to include software for no cost when they pay for the software, being that the profit marging on hardware seems to be disapearing. If you give something away for free that costs something, you have to make up the profit somehow, or be prepared to lose lots of money. Anyway, I emailed Be the question, "Are they prepared to give out free copys of their OS to enable OEM's to ship Be free with the system?" If anybody is interested in this question, I'll post their response (if any) to/..
The only reason for the post was to inform the the linux community about how management pukes see their operating systems. Like all points of view, it is incomplete and flawed. I thought that their comments were pretty positive for that type of review. Probably if the Gartner group would give a totally 100% go ahead it would mean that Linux was obsolete and ready for the junk heap. This is sort of how you can view some news organizations. They are almost as out of sync with the real world as clothing stores. Here, in Montana, where I live, the clothing stores are starting to get in their summer stock. Here outside my house, I have a half a foot of snow on the ground. I've heard that if you get your photograph on the front page of Time magazine then it means that your fame is pretty much over. This is how I look at this kind of viewpoint. They, the news orgs aren't quite ready for the change, which means for the real world, that it really is time. I sent this article to a friend who I have been trying to get to use LInux for about 2 years, and when he saw this article, he said that this made him think that he was ready to try it right now. He used to be a corporate puke himself, so he knows how to interpret these kind of articles. I was really interested in seeing exactly how the/. readers would view this article. Apparently not too many corporate types post to/., though I wish they would, it would improve the balance of views.
Anyway thanks for your comments Doug Moreen Silicon Mountain Technologies VAR. for Windows, Linux, Mac Be machines dogem@initco.net
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I run a computer store. (yes linux, boxen go out my door)a year and a half ago, the normal channel suppliers didn't have a pentium mmx at the speed I needed for a machine. So, I went to a gray market supplier. (not an authorized intel supplier) The fools sent me a remarked chip, which luckily, the motherboard identified correctly. (not mmx) At the time intel had on their web site a program called cupid, cpu id program. I ran it and sure enough this wasn't what they had sold me, nor was the stepping number consistant with the speed that was marked on the bottom chip. These turkeys didn't want at first to replace the chip with the correct one, (they said that intel had made a mistake in marking the chip)until I told them that Intel wanted their company name. Needless to say I don't use them as a supplier any more. I really can't afford the grief that this kind of a supplier can cause my shop. Overclocking as something to ship out of the shop. Well, I shown users who seem to have a pretty good handle on technology, some of the web sites devoted to overclocking, but shipping one, nope, voids warranty on the machine. Overclocking isn't necessarly a bad idea, but if the user isn't aware what the risks and benifits are, shouldn't be done. My kid however has always had an overclocked system, and thinks its the only way to go. His system btw is completely stable, fast and can be left on always if you want, though he doesn't like the leds glowing at night (its in his bedroom) so he generally shuts it off at night.
I'm not sure if I should cheer or scream about this possible event. Microsoft dominated many mac machines with their office products, and look where apple is now. Another issue about this I'm worried about is that Microsoft products lead you on with how easy they are to use until you actually have to do something complicated with them. They then are much more difficult to use then the products, that were harder to use at first. Example; set up a simple database with Access and mysql. With the templates Access is much easier to use at first. Then try to use Access as a backend for a Web based store. Mysql beats the heck out of Access at this point, unless you love writing databases with basic code.
Bill Gates will probobly try to dominate the Linux side of the industry, and might by discouraging any other people thinking about writing a great office suite.
"
Mr. Moreen,
We're in the process of formulating the specifics of the challenge. Can you
check back later this week?
In the meantime I'm sending you a "reseller kit" containing a free BeOS and
a video for you to evaluate.
Thanks,
Dave Johnson
--------
Dave Johnson
Sales Manager, Retail Channels
Be, Inc.
http://www.be.com
>
> >Attn Jean Luise Gasse
> >
> >Ok, I'm an OEM, and Mr. Gasse wants me to have an optional install of
> Be
> >for free on my system. Exactly what price am I buying the Beos for
> these
> >machines. If I am to install Beos for free, and support the os for
> free
> >(generally assumed by endusers that this is the way to go) then will
> you
> >let me get the OS for free? BTW, Linux is already an option on my
> machines.
> >I'll either set up Linux as the sole machine or have the machine dual
> boot
> >into windows and Linux.
> >
> >Doug Moreen
> >Silicon Mountain Technologies
> >814 Priscilla Way
> >Hamilton, MT 59840
> >dogem@initco.net
> >
> >
>
"
Hi, I'm an owner of a small OEM who has been making the choice available to the enduser about which OS or combo of OS's are installed on the system. When I saw the article about Gasse telling OEM's to install the OS for "free" I thought hmm, does that mean I'm supposed to buy the OS for 30 to 70 bucks and give it away with the system, That only work with Linux if you have something that doesn't cost you anything to start with. If Linux is going to be installed on the system, I actually advise endusers that they might really prefer to get a commericial distribution to get the book, cd's and extra applications included with these distributions. Most endusers agree. OEM's really can't afford to include software for no cost when they pay for the software, being that the profit marging on hardware seems to be disapearing. If you give something away for free that costs something, you have to make up the profit somehow, or be prepared to lose lots of money. /..
Anyway, I emailed Be the question, "Are they prepared to give out free copys of their OS to enable OEM's to ship Be free with the system?" If anybody is interested in this question, I'll post their response (if any) to
The only reason for the post was to inform the the linux community /. readers would view this article. /., though I wish they
about how management pukes see their operating systems. Like all points of
view, it is incomplete and flawed. I thought that their comments were pretty
positive for that type of review. Probably if the Gartner group would give a
totally 100% go ahead it would mean that Linux was obsolete and ready for
the junk heap. This is sort of how you can view some news organizations.
They are almost as out of sync with the real world as clothing stores. Here,
in Montana, where I live, the clothing stores are starting to get in their
summer stock. Here outside my house, I have a half a foot of snow on the
ground. I've heard that if you get your photograph on the front page of Time
magazine then it means that your fame is pretty much over. This is how I
look at this kind of viewpoint. They, the news orgs aren't quite ready for
the change, which means for the real world, that it really is time.
I sent this article to a friend who I have been trying to get to use LInux
for about 2 years, and when he saw this article, he said that this made him
think that he was ready to try it right now. He used to be a corporate puke
himself, so he knows how to interpret these kind of articles. I was really
interested in seeing exactly how the
Apparently not too many corporate types post to
would, it would improve the balance of views.
Anyway
thanks for your comments
Doug Moreen
Silicon Mountain Technologies
VAR. for Windows, Linux, Mac Be machines
dogem@initco.net