I agree with your first paragraph, but the analogy is lacking. Pi is by definition a single, unique number. You claim that pi isn't a number, essentially. It has an infinitely long representation in a positional system that uses digits, but that's just a representation of a number. Don't conflate the number with its representation, or you'll end up with heated nonsensical discussions about whether 0.9999(9) = 1.0(0) or not. Protip: some numbers have multiple positional representations. There's a 1:N relationship between any real or complex number and its positional representations./rant
A $9k wedding can be quite a treat in the U.S. as long as you dispense with the bullshit of playing dress-up and having a formal, overpaid party. Just go to a good restaurant, eat a good dinner, hit a club afterwards. Heck, if you want to look cute, $1k buys all the clothes, hairdo and makeup you'll need, if you wish to put a little bit of elbow grease into it.
Science is never rewritten. It's slowly added to and amended, but the reason it's never going to be rewritten is that it demonstrably works. Otherwise it wouldn't be, you know, called science.
I'm talking about Rossi's idea of this thing as a power source. If the horribly expensive conventional nuclear power was cheaper than this, it would make zero sense to pursue this as an economical power source. NONE whatsoever. It'd be a net loss to everyone involved. Either it's cheaper or it isn't. You can't have it both ways. Either it makes sense to use it, or it doesn't.
I never refer to the necessity (or lack thereof) of fundamental scientific research. Lest you didn't notice, Rossi is vehemently against any research whatsoever into his idea. Good riddance, I say, lest people whose time is valuable waste it on this bullshit.
Look, this guy is peddling it as a power source to investors. Feel free to do whatever basic research you want, but that's not what Rossi is after. He is a after a very specific economic outcome, and he's very clear that he will not share any details with anyone. I'm not short sighted, I merely react rationally within the constraints that were set by the great Rossi himself. As it is, the idea of this E-Cat brouhaha as a power source needs to be forgotten, lest one's name be smeared by this excrement forever.
given their methodology, which I have reviewed myself, it's highly doubtful that their results are off by more than 2 orders of magnitude, which is what it would take to prove them wrong.
Your claim of how far the results "must" be off is entirely based on the results and assumptions they published. There's no reason at all to even dwell on this rubbish. It's rubbish. It's a simple device that any engineer worth their salt could make stand-alone and easily testable by high schoolers if it really worked. That it isn't so is a clear indication that all the "complications" are a bunch of BS. They are not real engineering obstacles, a bright teenager could have solved them for crying out loud. It takes a particularly dim bulb not to be able to design a heater circuit that doesn't burn out the heaters, for example. The whole thing is just a bunch of layers of stupid. The people doing the test are piss-poor experimentalists and were taken for a ride by Rossi. Sometimes you have to see the circumstances surrounding all of this hoopla, otherwise you're treating a piece of shit like an art object.
I don't know what you've read from what I wrote, but that must have been some wild stuff. All there's to Rossi's "test" is, well, nothing. It's all baloney, and the real scientists say, in a politically correct way, that it was a bunch of bullshit. So, again, that's all there's to it. Nothing one wouldn't expect from Rossi.
Either it makes economical sense or it doesn't. If the nickel costs more than the energy that can be produced from it, then there's no sense in any further pursuit of this "idea".
There's nothing wrong with ITER going "to hell" if we can do the same thing many orders of magnitude cheaper. Just so that you don't get the wrong impression, though: this is a hoax. If you believe otherwise, you need to stand in front of a mirror and loudly proclaim "I've been had". That's all there's to it. It's like the autism-due-to-vaccines debacle: someone manufactured the claim, lost his MD over it, now everyone claims that somehow it must have some credence just because millions of credulous simpletons repeat it over and over. It's the same with E-Cat: it's not anymore real just because some "researchers" have some "claims". There's nothing to it. Nothing.
You wouldn't "measure" it with an oscilloscope. You'd measure it with a power meter, ideally a digital one that can log the waveforms, too. Absent that, a $150 DAQ card, a $10 voltage step-down transformer and a $200 current transformer probe would suffice. If you wish to do a bit of soldering, there are $10 active current sensors that work down to DC and would be even better. All-in-all, anyone who has their shit together in electronics design should be able to whip up a prototype logger needed to expose such a hoax for about $300 in parts at most, in a week or two, depending how driven she/he is.
I think I can measure the viscosity of sour cream using my index finger, with soy oil for a reference than they have "measured" anything in their setup. Gimme a break.
And that should be the last word anyone sincere should need about the subject "test". That's it. End of the story. Right there. Nothing to see people. Just an everyday hoax.
I don't know what you're drinking, but you must stop. Rossi is like the kind of guy you wouldn't want in your house, lest you might find your change and credit cards missing, along with any valuables. You don't need anything proven here. Just look at the criminal record and keep the criminal away from your house. Pretty please. And thank you.
It is not looking any more possible that the E-Cat may not be a hoax. The experiments were conducted so poorly that there's in fact no reason to think it's all not a hoax. The setup was purposefully sloppy. It's all a shameful diversion, really nothing to see here at all.
The use of a thermal camera is a fundamental no-no. Such experiments need calorimetry done using you know, calorimeters, not this indirect shit. Heat up a known volume of water in a tank, encased in thermal insulation. There's no other way to do it without making oneself look silly.
You're overgeneralizing. Not every corner of the planet is the ridiculous corporate-owned backwater like the one you describe. It's much, much better in this regard in Europe.
There's no use of billions to a person. There's nothing you can do with that kind of money besides giving it all away, or funneling it into a business - for what end? Unless running a business is your thing, there's a few people like that. Elon Musk comes to mind.
In Europe, you'll get about $100 for delivering 1MWh of electric energy to the grid. He'd need a device 100x larger to get enough money to comfortably live on and maintain the device ($5k + $5k). Sure he doesn't need investors, but he needs a day job that pays normal engineering salary that would let him invest anything left after food, bills and necessities to getting a 0.1GWh/month device (140kW output). That size of a device could be installed to roll the meter backwards in a rented industrial suite. There's certainly a lot of luck, finesse and sweat needed to bootstrap an operation like that, but it's doable even for a "loner".
I don't think you quite get it. There's nothing to steal in this technology. Even with quite modest, incremental investments, he can hook it up to the grid and generate income within weeks. This is something that doesn't even need 6 figure investments, an engineer with a small family with two incomes could pull it off. Within years he could be not only deriving decent income from power delivered to the grid, but enough surplus to fund bigger devices. It's really not that hard if it was a real device. It's supposedly safe and scalable.
So far, the simplest explanation is that the "researchers" were taken, like many, many others before them. Being a "researcher" doesn't make one automatically immune to hoaxes and trickery. As many others are saying, I'll believe it when it makes money for the owner. DUH.
The diarrhea might be the least of your worries. Eventually you might develop sepsis from the immune reaction to all the toxins and you die, even if well-hydrated.
Of course the small amount of bodily fluid needed is well known, you pretty much need contact with one droplet of airborne saliva from a sneeze/cough. That's about it. With ebola it seems that you really need to get one, literally one viable virus into your body and you're infected.
Ebola travels through aerosolized body fluid droplets, such as what you cough up. Of course once the droplets dry up, the virus neutralized (or has been, so far).
Please don't conflate transmission by contact with bodily fluids vs. airborne transmission. The latter is something way more than merely due to contact with droplets. Transmission via droplets is, by definition, transmission by contact. Airborne transmission is when the virus can survive in the air without being in the droplet at all. Aerosolized cough droplets are what masks are to protect us from - masks that should be, BTW, worn by both the patients and the personnel.
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I agree with your first paragraph, but the analogy is lacking. Pi is by definition a single, unique number. You claim that pi isn't a number, essentially. It has an infinitely long representation in a positional system that uses digits, but that's just a representation of a number. Don't conflate the number with its representation, or you'll end up with heated nonsensical discussions about whether 0.9999(9) = 1.0(0) or not. Protip: some numbers have multiple positional representations. There's a 1:N relationship between any real or complex number and its positional representations. /rant
A $9k wedding can be quite a treat in the U.S. as long as you dispense with the bullshit of playing dress-up and having a formal, overpaid party. Just go to a good restaurant, eat a good dinner, hit a club afterwards. Heck, if you want to look cute, $1k buys all the clothes, hairdo and makeup you'll need, if you wish to put a little bit of elbow grease into it.
Science is never rewritten. It's slowly added to and amended, but the reason it's never going to be rewritten is that it demonstrably works. Otherwise it wouldn't be, you know, called science.
I'm talking about Rossi's idea of this thing as a power source. If the horribly expensive conventional nuclear power was cheaper than this, it would make zero sense to pursue this as an economical power source. NONE whatsoever. It'd be a net loss to everyone involved. Either it's cheaper or it isn't. You can't have it both ways. Either it makes sense to use it, or it doesn't.
I never refer to the necessity (or lack thereof) of fundamental scientific research. Lest you didn't notice, Rossi is vehemently against any research whatsoever into his idea. Good riddance, I say, lest people whose time is valuable waste it on this bullshit.
Look, this guy is peddling it as a power source to investors. Feel free to do whatever basic research you want, but that's not what Rossi is after. He is a after a very specific economic outcome, and he's very clear that he will not share any details with anyone. I'm not short sighted, I merely react rationally within the constraints that were set by the great Rossi himself. As it is, the idea of this E-Cat brouhaha as a power source needs to be forgotten, lest one's name be smeared by this excrement forever.
given their methodology, which I have reviewed myself, it's highly doubtful that their results are off by more than 2 orders of magnitude, which is what it would take to prove them wrong.
Your claim of how far the results "must" be off is entirely based on the results and assumptions they published. There's no reason at all to even dwell on this rubbish. It's rubbish. It's a simple device that any engineer worth their salt could make stand-alone and easily testable by high schoolers if it really worked. That it isn't so is a clear indication that all the "complications" are a bunch of BS. They are not real engineering obstacles, a bright teenager could have solved them for crying out loud. It takes a particularly dim bulb not to be able to design a heater circuit that doesn't burn out the heaters, for example. The whole thing is just a bunch of layers of stupid. The people doing the test are piss-poor experimentalists and were taken for a ride by Rossi. Sometimes you have to see the circumstances surrounding all of this hoopla, otherwise you're treating a piece of shit like an art object.
I don't know what you've read from what I wrote, but that must have been some wild stuff. All there's to Rossi's "test" is, well, nothing. It's all baloney, and the real scientists say, in a politically correct way, that it was a bunch of bullshit. So, again, that's all there's to it. Nothing one wouldn't expect from Rossi.
Either it makes economical sense or it doesn't. If the nickel costs more than the energy that can be produced from it, then there's no sense in any further pursuit of this "idea".
There's nothing wrong with ITER going "to hell" if we can do the same thing many orders of magnitude cheaper. Just so that you don't get the wrong impression, though: this is a hoax. If you believe otherwise, you need to stand in front of a mirror and loudly proclaim "I've been had". That's all there's to it. It's like the autism-due-to-vaccines debacle: someone manufactured the claim, lost his MD over it, now everyone claims that somehow it must have some credence just because millions of credulous simpletons repeat it over and over. It's the same with E-Cat: it's not anymore real just because some "researchers" have some "claims". There's nothing to it. Nothing.
You wouldn't "measure" it with an oscilloscope. You'd measure it with a power meter, ideally a digital one that can log the waveforms, too. Absent that, a $150 DAQ card, a $10 voltage step-down transformer and a $200 current transformer probe would suffice. If you wish to do a bit of soldering, there are $10 active current sensors that work down to DC and would be even better. All-in-all, anyone who has their shit together in electronics design should be able to whip up a prototype logger needed to expose such a hoax for about $300 in parts at most, in a week or two, depending how driven she/he is.
I think I can measure the viscosity of sour cream using my index finger, with soy oil for a reference than they have "measured" anything in their setup. Gimme a break.
And that should be the last word anyone sincere should need about the subject "test". That's it. End of the story. Right there. Nothing to see people. Just an everyday hoax.
I don't know what you're drinking, but you must stop. Rossi is like the kind of guy you wouldn't want in your house, lest you might find your change and credit cards missing, along with any valuables. You don't need anything proven here. Just look at the criminal record and keep the criminal away from your house. Pretty please. And thank you.
It is not looking any more possible that the E-Cat may not be a hoax. The experiments were conducted so poorly that there's in fact no reason to think it's all not a hoax. The setup was purposefully sloppy. It's all a shameful diversion, really nothing to see here at all.
The use of a thermal camera is a fundamental no-no. Such experiments need calorimetry done using you know, calorimeters, not this indirect shit. Heat up a known volume of water in a tank, encased in thermal insulation. There's no other way to do it without making oneself look silly.
You're overgeneralizing. Not every corner of the planet is the ridiculous corporate-owned backwater like the one you describe. It's much, much better in this regard in Europe.
There's no use of billions to a person. There's nothing you can do with that kind of money besides giving it all away, or funneling it into a business - for what end? Unless running a business is your thing, there's a few people like that. Elon Musk comes to mind.
In Europe, you'll get about $100 for delivering 1MWh of electric energy to the grid. He'd need a device 100x larger to get enough money to comfortably live on and maintain the device ($5k + $5k). Sure he doesn't need investors, but he needs a day job that pays normal engineering salary that would let him invest anything left after food, bills and necessities to getting a 0.1GWh/month device (140kW output). That size of a device could be installed to roll the meter backwards in a rented industrial suite. There's certainly a lot of luck, finesse and sweat needed to bootstrap an operation like that, but it's doable even for a "loner".
I don't think you quite get it. There's nothing to steal in this technology. Even with quite modest, incremental investments, he can hook it up to the grid and generate income within weeks. This is something that doesn't even need 6 figure investments, an engineer with a small family with two incomes could pull it off. Within years he could be not only deriving decent income from power delivered to the grid, but enough surplus to fund bigger devices. It's really not that hard if it was a real device. It's supposedly safe and scalable.
So far, the simplest explanation is that the "researchers" were taken, like many, many others before them. Being a "researcher" doesn't make one automatically immune to hoaxes and trickery. As many others are saying, I'll believe it when it makes money for the owner. DUH.
The diarrhea might be the least of your worries. Eventually you might develop sepsis from the immune reaction to all the toxins and you die, even if well-hydrated.
We know well enough that the transmission is transdermal and requires merely contact with body fluids. DUH.
Of course the small amount of bodily fluid needed is well known, you pretty much need contact with one droplet of airborne saliva from a sneeze/cough. That's about it. With ebola it seems that you really need to get one, literally one viable virus into your body and you're infected.
Ebola travels through aerosolized body fluid droplets, such as what you cough up. Of course once the droplets dry up, the virus neutralized (or has been, so far).
Please don't conflate transmission by contact with bodily fluids vs. airborne transmission. The latter is something way more than merely due to contact with droplets. Transmission via droplets is, by definition, transmission by contact. Airborne transmission is when the virus can survive in the air without being in the droplet at all. Aerosolized cough droplets are what masks are to protect us from - masks that should be, BTW, worn by both the patients and the personnel.
So, WTF should I be using to get a sine or cosine computed in hardware on an x86 these days?