What will you do for the 50 or so years between the turn of the century and the advent of minimalist composers?
I guess I would use the end of my knife to pluck Middle C on a piano until 1935, when Terry Riley is born... then I'll start with him.
Why would I wait for them to grow up and start writing? That would defeat the purpose of going back in time. If I just wanted revenge, I could take it out on Brian Eno.
Stuff like this almost makes me wish I could go back in time to the beginning of the century, so I could hunt down all the minimalist composers and kill them.
(by stabbing them over and over again... for several minutes... in the same location... with almost imperceptible variations to my rhythm... until those listening to the murder would fall into a trance-like state of understanding the structure of what I am doing.)
.net is different from network computers. I think it was Bob Muglia who said "this is not dumb clients and smart servers, this is smart clients and smart servers".
Thanks for the marketing spin.
Hmmm... let's see... OS on the box, apps and storage on the network. Sounds like the same old client-server model to me. Off-load a few of the OS preferences and you move a little closer to the "thin" client concept, but it's still SSDD.
What this community bashes now, in three years they will eagerly clone
s/'this community'/'Microsoft'/ s/three/six/
(see: all Apple developments of the last two decades)
Ahh... haven't flamed a MICROS~1 astroturfer in a while. Feels good.
After a while it had just devolved in to cracks on vegitarians.
Don't mistake the comments of a few trolls and wise-asses for the argument that is being made.
Too many on-line debates melt down into flame-fests that way.
(OTOH, the AC's "vegitables ain't food, vegitables is what food eats" comment was kind of funny. I'm not sure, but I think he/she was quoting from The Simpsons - the one where Lisa gets mad about Homer's BBQ, and learns to cope with it after talking to Apu and Paul & Linda McCartney.)
Second, the iBook lacks a lot of critical features that a typical Linux user will probably expect from a computer. Even if you don't mind the builtin 800x600 screen (which admittedly is a very high-quality LCD), you'll be disappointed to find you can't add an external monitor.
I guess this is a big deal to Gnome users (all XWindows environments suck at 800x600), but to a BASHer like me, monitor resolution is a very minor concern... when I want purdy pictures or Netscape, I will probably just boot to the Mac partition. IMHO, Gnome and KDE are Not Ready Yet anyway.
(Just opinion folks... tell the GNU police there is no need for the flamethrowers.)
Note that, as a matter of fact, a sharp-looking graphite (or tuxedo) iBook is also available.
Yes, but the graphite model costs an extra $200 for a minor speed bump and the classier color. It's not quite as good of a bargain (... unless you are a junior high kid. Then it might be worth $200 to not get the crap beat out of you on the first day of school.)
The Powerbook is also a lot of ! for the $, but in the sub-$2k basic-needs category, the iBook is a hell of a deal.
Also, if I want a high-res monitor, I will use my desktop system.
Laptops are road machines, and if you intend use one to replace your desktop system entirely, nothing under 2 grand is likely to meet your needs. I still say for a lot of portable power, good battery life, and low price, the iBook is hard to beat.
As for the complaints of memory and HD... not many PC laptops at the iBooks price level come with more, and those that do cut other corners that you will regret (such as untra-cheap screens, short-lived batteries, bottom-of-the-line K6 chips, etc.) You can always add more later... IIRC it uses P66 SO-DIMM's, and the HD is just a mini IDE drive.
which is why "middle A", the second fret on a guitar, is often called "A 440
Urk... I knew I would not be able to post something that long without an error...
A 440 is the open position of the second string of a guitar using standard tuning.
I sure hope nobody broke their Low-E string by tuning it up to G based on what I said.:(
(Sorry if this whole thread seems off-topic, but it was M$'s idea to name a program language after a note that's really hard to play in tune on brass instruments, not mine.)
This is a problem for them as it directs people to the wrong site,
Registering a domain name does not "direct" anybody anywhere. A DN is just a place-holder that is easier to remember than xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx
Everybody knows that typing in the name of a company or group with ".com" or ".org" on the end is a handy shortcut that sometimes gets you where you want to go, but is often wrong, sometimes way wrong, and nobody every promised anybody it would be right. Anybody computer literate enough to know that they can type URLs in instead of clicking on Yahoo directory links will know that.
peta.org was a joke site, and a funny one at that, and anybody who stumbled on it while looking for People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals probably got their feathers ruffled, but there was no way they could have mistaken "People Eating Tasty Animals" for the group they were looking for.
You are more right that the person who is insisting they are not the same on "non-fretted" instruments.
Tonality of notes used to depend on the scale you were playing, and the position of the note within the scale. All notes were perfectly tuned relative to the tonic note, or "root" of the scale. The problem with this was that an organ tuned to play in the key of G-sharp would sound badly out of tune if played in the key of E-flat.
During the baroque era, the concept of the "tempered" instrument came about. Octaves, fourths and fifths became universal across the keyboard, and the seconds, thirds, sixths, and sevenths were all tweaked so you could change keys and still have a perfect fifth sound like a perfect fifth. Tempered keyboards were not perfectly in tune in the traditional sense, but the change was needed to meet the demands of modern compositions.
When the means to measure sound frequencies came about, things were locked down even tighter (which is why "middle A", the second fret on a guitar, is often called "A 440).
Today, C-sharp and D-flat are played with the same key on the piano, same fret on a guitar, and are generally considered to be the same note... However, in the context of a performance a good musician will adjust the pitch of the note ever-so-slightly to fit with the intonation of the ensemble and melody (if they are singing or playing an instrument that allows it).
So to sum up... yea, it is the same note spelled differently - most of the time.
That's because most *n[iu]x scripts, including shells and Perl scripts, start counting at 0... $# is the # of the last argument, not the total of the list. (It works well when you are counting arguments from a single command, because the command itself is 0, so $# will equal the number of args that follow the command.)
1. A lot of us want to have a BBQ to demonstrate our support of the First Amendment, our sense of humor, and our opposition to PETA's actions. 2. A lot of vegitarians want to come, so we gotta have some greens available, along with the tasty animals. 3. For location, KC seems like a good "plan A", in that nobody completely hates it, but the issue is open to debate. 4. screwpeta.com has offered to host a page for coordinating this. 5. We will make this as big of a media event as we can, as a backlash against PETA's supression. 6. We might be able to book "The Nuge" to entertain the crowds, because he is a bow-huntin' fool. 7. Some vegitarians have a problem with us doing this. 8. We want to do it anyway.
Sounds to me like we are well on our way to making this happen. Hooray!
Speaking as an ethical vegitarian since birth (27 years and counting) I'm in favor of the gathering (although unless they have something I can eat I might not attend)
You sound like excactly the sort of person I would want ot share a BBQ with!
Of course the ultimate Irony (with a capital 'I'), is if they had the cookout BBQ and included a vegetarian alternative.
I think we should, especially if there are a lot of vegitarians who wish to show solidatity with their meat-eating brothers.:)
Ok I am confused. the "organization that attempts to force its moral values on others" is that the slashdot BBQ or the PETA. Cause now the BBQ is starting to sound a lot like that...
Not at all. THe BBQ is an attempt to demonstrate against the crackdown of the peta.org parody site. We are talking about protesting by doing excactly what that site advanced, eating tasty animals. I think that vegitarians that are not completely mortified by the knowledge that some people eat meat should probably come along as well, if nothing else to show that vegitarians have a sense of humor, too, and don't neccessarilly support groups like PETA.
Probably not, but he wouldn't assume that it was all about him either.
The "People Eating Tasty Animals" site was one of the funniest moments in the young history of the web. They were one of the first ones out of the gate with a name-spoofing parody site, and it was done well.
A lot of us meat-eaters find PETA's action against the site to be offensive, and wish to protest it by flaunting our carnivorous nature in a fun-filled gathering.
Not every free speech rally has to appeal to everybody. If it did, we wouldn't really have free speech, would we?
I'll come clean, Jon. I stopped after three paragraphs and quickly skimmed the rest in an optimistic quest to find content.
Maybe I'll read your next article, and have something to say about it, but I'm not going to comment on this one, other than to say it lost my attention.
Or perhaps people should READ THE PREVIOUS POSTS before posting the same question.
If you have used/. for any length of time, you would know that in the time it takes to type up a post of any reasonable length, several other people might decide to post a similar message, and you don't see one another's entries until they are all in there. This happens most during the first wave of posts, when a lot of people are responding with their initial reactions.
Were this only about free speech, I would agree with you... but I also like eating meat, and thought the peta.org parody was funny. I happen to support both the right to deliver the message and the message itself.
As for your Nazi argument (must... resist... temptation... to recite... Godwin's Law...), I would not attend such a rally, because their ideology is evil. If you think eating meat is evil, you should not attend our rally either.
I don't think a barbeque is evil. I think it is fun. Obviously, judging by all these responses, I am not alone.
I applaud your desire to promote free speech, and support your right to oppose a rally where meat is served... but I want to do it anyway.
It seems to me that your efforts would better be put into e.g. organizing a fund drive for the EFF, writing letters to your representatives against UCITA, etc.
I respect the brave individualism of vegitarians like you who chose to live as they see fit, and think that your suggestions are good ones for anybody. Feel free to ignore our little gathering plans and kick off your own efforts.
For my own part, I really like the idea of a First Amendment rally that serves ribs and steaks. PETA went after PETA.ORG for making lighthearted jokes about meat eating while thumbing its nose at their organization. We think that's wrong, and want to give them more of the same.
Just because the idea came about in a Slashdot forum among geeks who like free software does not mean that it somehow represents all GNU-folks and FSF advocates, many of whom are vegans and vegitarians, and would want nothing to do with my idea. Some of us are omnivores; try not to hold it against us.
I'm with you on [free speech], but as an ethical vegetarian, I'd find it hard to continue to stand with you...
To which I reply:
You can be a vegitarian and still support the right of others to eat meat and/or poke fun at People for the Ethical Treatement of Animals, which is the intent.
We want to poke fun because we oppose the recent actions of PETA, who used the courts to shut down a parody site, even as they run one of their own. We want to eat meat because we like eating meat. It tastes good.
If you can handle other people having different moral values (in the tradition of Voltaire), then you are welcome at any barbeque of mine! (... even if you only want to eat the potato salad.)
If, on the other hand, you are truely upset at the idea of a bunch of people gathering to eat meat together, then perhaps you would want to sit this event out, and support free speech in your own way.
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I guess I would use the end of my knife to pluck Middle C on a piano until 1935, when Terry Riley is born... then I'll start with him.
Why would I wait for them to grow up and start writing? That would defeat the purpose of going back in time. If I just wanted revenge, I could take it out on Brian Eno.
(by stabbing them over and over again... for several minutes... in the same location... with almost imperceptible variations to my rhythm... until those listening to the murder would fall into a trance-like state of understanding the structure of what I am doing.)
He called somebody to "out to lunch" for saying running Unix was the same as operating a dumb terminal.
If anything, the post he was responding to was -1 (Flamebait), and his response was -1 (Flame).
To save you time, this post is -1 (Off Topic), and -1 (Pointing Out Idiotic Moderation)... and maybe even -1 (Troll) for good measure.
Do your worst, bitches!
Thanks for the marketing spin.
Hmmm... let's see... OS on the box, apps and storage on the network. Sounds like the same old client-server model to me. Off-load a few of the OS preferences and you move a little closer to the "thin" client concept, but it's still SSDD.
What this community bashes now, in three years they will eagerly clone
s/'this community'/'Microsoft'/
s/three/six/
(see: all Apple developments of the last two decades)
Ahh... haven't flamed a MICROS~1 astroturfer in a while. Feels good.
Gotta admit, he trolled the hell out of me.
Victory is yours this time, jonkatz, whoever you are.
Don't mistake the comments of a few trolls and wise-asses for the argument that is being made.
Too many on-line debates melt down into flame-fests that way.
(OTOH, the AC's "vegitables ain't food, vegitables is what food eats" comment was kind of funny. I'm not sure, but I think he/she was quoting from The Simpsons - the one where Lisa gets mad about Homer's BBQ, and learns to cope with it after talking to Apu and Paul & Linda McCartney.)
I guess this is a big deal to Gnome users (all XWindows environments suck at 800x600), but to a BASHer like me, monitor resolution is a very minor concern... when I want purdy pictures or Netscape, I will probably just boot to the Mac partition. IMHO, Gnome and KDE are Not Ready Yet anyway.
(Just opinion folks... tell the GNU police there is no need for the flamethrowers.)
Yes, but the graphite model costs an extra $200 for a minor speed bump and the classier color. It's not quite as good of a bargain (... unless you are a junior high kid. Then it might be worth $200 to not get the crap beat out of you on the first day of school.)
The Powerbook is also a lot of ! for the $, but in the sub-$2k basic-needs category, the iBook is a hell of a deal.
Also, if I want a high-res monitor, I will use my desktop system.
Laptops are road machines, and if you intend use one to replace your desktop system entirely, nothing under 2 grand is likely to meet your needs. I still say for a lot of portable power, good battery life, and low price, the iBook is hard to beat.
As for the complaints of memory and HD... not many PC laptops at the iBooks price level come with more, and those that do cut other corners that you will regret (such as untra-cheap screens, short-lived batteries, bottom-of-the-line K6 chips, etc.) You can always add more later... IIRC it uses P66 SO-DIMM's, and the HD is just a mini IDE drive.
Urk... I knew I would not be able to post something that long without an error...
A 440 is the open position of the second string of a guitar using standard tuning.
I sure hope nobody broke their Low-E string by tuning it up to G based on what I said. :(
(Sorry if this whole thread seems off-topic, but it was M$'s idea to name a program language after a note that's really hard to play in tune on brass instruments, not mine.)
Registering a domain name does not "direct" anybody anywhere. A DN is just a place-holder that is easier to remember than xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx
Everybody knows that typing in the name of a company or group with ".com" or ".org" on the end is a handy shortcut that sometimes gets you where you want to go, but is often wrong, sometimes way wrong, and nobody every promised anybody it would be right. Anybody computer literate enough to know that they can type URLs in instead of clicking on Yahoo directory links will know that.
peta.org was a joke site, and a funny one at that, and anybody who stumbled on it while looking for People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals probably got their feathers ruffled, but there was no way they could have mistaken "People Eating Tasty Animals" for the group they were looking for.
Ooo... so close, but not quite right.
You are more right that the person who is insisting they are not the same on "non-fretted" instruments.
Tonality of notes used to depend on the scale you were playing, and the position of the note within the scale. All notes were perfectly tuned relative to the tonic note, or "root" of the scale. The problem with this was that an organ tuned to play in the key of G-sharp would sound badly out of tune if played in the key of E-flat.
During the baroque era, the concept of the "tempered" instrument came about. Octaves, fourths and fifths became universal across the keyboard, and the seconds, thirds, sixths, and sevenths were all tweaked so you could change keys and still have a perfect fifth sound like a perfect fifth. Tempered keyboards were not perfectly in tune in the traditional sense, but the change was needed to meet the demands of modern compositions.
When the means to measure sound frequencies came about, things were locked down even tighter (which is why "middle A", the second fret on a guitar, is often called "A 440).
Today, C-sharp and D-flat are played with the same key on the piano, same fret on a guitar, and are generally considered to be the same note... However, in the context of a performance a good musician will adjust the pitch of the note ever-so-slightly to fit with the intonation of the ensemble and melody (if they are singing or playing an instrument that allows it).
So to sum up... yea, it is the same note spelled differently - most of the time.
Perfect! We can just agree that the "-H" in "C-Hash" is silent.
Practice saying it with me: "This app was written with Microsoft Chash."
That's because most *n[iu]x scripts, including shells and Perl scripts, start counting at 0... $# is the # of the last argument, not the total of the list. (It works well when you are counting arguments from a single command, because the command itself is 0, so $# will equal the number of args that follow the command.)
A step up is two chromatic notes higher, which would be D.
(The major scale is whole step, whole step, half step, whole step, whole step, whole step, half step.)
My degree is in music, so naturally my career is in computers. :P
1. A lot of us want to have a BBQ to demonstrate our support of the First Amendment, our sense of humor, and our opposition to PETA's actions.
2. A lot of vegitarians want to come, so we gotta have some greens available, along with the tasty animals.
3. For location, KC seems like a good "plan A", in that nobody completely hates it, but the issue is open to debate.
4. screwpeta.com has offered to host a page for coordinating this.
5. We will make this as big of a media event as we can, as a backlash against PETA's supression.
6. We might be able to book "The Nuge" to entertain the crowds, because he is a bow-huntin' fool.
7. Some vegitarians have a problem with us doing this.
8. We want to do it anyway.
Sounds to me like we are well on our way to making this happen. Hooray!
You sound like excactly the sort of person I would want ot share a BBQ with!
Of course the ultimate Irony (with a capital 'I'), is if they had the cookout BBQ and included a vegetarian alternative.
I think we should, especially if there are a lot of vegitarians who wish to show solidatity with their meat-eating brothers. :)
Not at all. THe BBQ is an attempt to demonstrate against the crackdown of the peta.org parody site. We are talking about protesting by doing excactly what that site advanced, eating tasty animals. I think that vegitarians that are not completely mortified by the knowledge that some people eat meat should probably come along as well, if nothing else to show that vegitarians have a sense of humor, too, and don't neccessarilly support groups like PETA.
Probably not, but he wouldn't assume that it was all about him either.
The "People Eating Tasty Animals" site was one of the funniest moments in the young history of the web. They were one of the first ones out of the gate with a name-spoofing parody site, and it was done well.
A lot of us meat-eaters find PETA's action against the site to be offensive, and wish to protest it by flaunting our carnivorous nature in a fun-filled gathering.
Not every free speech rally has to appeal to everybody. If it did, we wouldn't really have free speech, would we?
Maybe I'll read your next article, and have something to say about it, but I'm not going to comment on this one, other than to say it lost my attention.
If you have used /. for any length of time, you would know that in the time it takes to type up a post of any reasonable length, several other people might decide to post a similar message, and you don't see one another's entries until they are all in there. This happens most during the first wave of posts, when a lot of people are responding with their initial reactions.
Also, I've registered screwpeta.com which I'm willing to contribute for organizing the BBQ
Sounds like this can get off the ground after all!
Mazel: Put some contact information on that URL, so we can get a hold of you, and we can get rolling. :)
Sorry, but no.
It is a slap in the face of PETA. This is not about you, nor any other vegitarians at /.
As the notoriously outspoken vegitarian Bill Maher would say, "get over yourself".
As for your Nazi argument (must... resist... temptation... to recite... Godwin's Law...), I would not attend such a rally, because their ideology is evil. If you think eating meat is evil, you should not attend our rally either.
I don't think a barbeque is evil. I think it is fun. Obviously, judging by all these responses, I am not alone.
I applaud your desire to promote free speech, and support your right to oppose a rally where meat is served... but I want to do it anyway.
I respect the brave individualism of vegitarians like you who chose to live as they see fit, and think that your suggestions are good ones for anybody. Feel free to ignore our little gathering plans and kick off your own efforts.
For my own part, I really like the idea of a First Amendment rally that serves ribs and steaks. PETA went after PETA.ORG for making lighthearted jokes about meat eating while thumbing its nose at their organization. We think that's wrong, and want to give them more of the same.
Just because the idea came about in a Slashdot forum among geeks who like free software does not mean that it somehow represents all GNU-folks and FSF advocates, many of whom are vegans and vegitarians, and would want nothing to do with my idea. Some of us are omnivores; try not to hold it against us.
I'm with you on [free speech], but as an ethical vegetarian, I'd find it hard to continue to stand with you...
To which I reply:
You can be a vegitarian and still support the right of others to eat meat and/or poke fun at People for the Ethical Treatement of Animals, which is the intent.
We want to poke fun because we oppose the recent actions of PETA, who used the courts to shut down a parody site, even as they run one of their own.
We want to eat meat because we like eating meat. It tastes good.
If you can handle other people having different moral values (in the tradition of Voltaire), then you are welcome at any barbeque of mine! (... even if you only want to eat the potato salad.)
If, on the other hand, you are truely upset at the idea of a bunch of people gathering to eat meat together, then perhaps you would want to sit this event out, and support free speech in your own way.