Yes and right on and amen Bruthuh. When the narrow specialist of any chronological age takes on a specialty-centric mindset it doesn't matter how superduper he/she is at their specialty (unless that is all you do in life)everything else that exists looks insignificant to them IMHO. So their world narrows radically and as it does, so does their mind. And then they appear larger and larger than the "outside" world (to themselves). This has its parallels in religion where the Believers are the few and the chosen; all outsiders are heretics and barbarians. The remedy for this is to make friends with people who have a wide variety of expertises and kinds of intelligence, as well a economic and political backgrounds. Learn the value of disciplines outside your own. If you can't see any worthwhile outside of your own, well - It's called THERAPY. Get some. Peace and love and rock & Roll Debba
right on, Coke Bear. You said it. To many people today don't see reason to kick ass and take names until the NIMBY phenom occurs. What did cute lil penguins ever to to the petroleum mega-corps? If we don't help them, who will?
Comments like this show the extreme inexperience and overall dysfunctionality of some slashbotics - "and vanquish the rest of humanity?" are u 4 real? Your flat must be done in early Adolf H. to make a statement like this and mean it... Humanity is already evolving its own shared and illumined consciousness, with science, art, mysticism, philosophy and ethics all swirling about in a whitewater rapids of change. Any so-called artificial intelligence would be a relocation of that one mind Carl Jung glimpsed in his studies.I mean lets face it, as Popeye said, I yam what I yam. And IMO you have another thing wrong - what people really really hold in awe is incredible kindness and beauty. In point, #1 the reaction of the entire world to the death of Mother Teresa (unbelieveable humanity, spirituality, wisdom and kindness) and #2, the reaction of the world to the death of Princess Diana (frail humanity, extreme beauty)In both cases evidence was seen all over the world of a planetary mourning, almost a worship. Techies almost invariably undersestimate the importance of love and kindness and their effect on intelligence both "natural" and "artificial" - think about it. Peace and blessed be, all slashbotians
I had read DUNE when in my early teens (shortly after it was published -geezerellahood impends)and liked it a lot for the same reasons I liked the Tolkein books - BIG ideas about life and society presented in an entertaining and agreeable fantasy format...plus the natural world looms large in both "worlds" something a lot of us have already a nostalgia for as we shut ourselves off from sunlight, flora and fauna in our brave new worlds...I think the appeal is broader than one might believe. I just discovered an old paperback copy of DUNE at a yard sale 2 weeks ago and my 15 yr. old son is devouring it. Proof! I also didn't think the sequels were nearly as good - and as for the film, I am going to have to find and watch it again - don't remember a thing about it! (Bad movie or impending geezerellahood??) Happy Trails. Debba
Amen, Maxomenos. The best thing parents can give their kids is the ability to think for themselves. The hard part is discerning when the kid is able to play hardball, i.e. has developed bullshit detectors and thus doesn't need appropriate shielding such as is appropriate for the very young. Kids under the age of 7 or 8 are in a different state of mind and pretty much learn by imitation. Especially when they are under age 6, it is pretty much monkey see, monkey do. Study Montessori, Steiner or any other progressive early childhood educator you care to choose - that is how we learn to walk, talk and think. We imitate. So having a shielded environment makes a lot of sense. Between 8 and 12 is when the BS detector and actual self-thinking emerges(hopefully) I would agree that censorship of older children is ill advised. But Max, do you really want to live in a culture of people who are hardwired to believe that power emanates from a gun barrel or batch of explosives rather than moral virtue and creative intelligence?? Think about it....
Hey! I like this post (today's internet edge.) It is fascinating to me how people polarize over the "new" technology -why does one 76 year old uncle know the most in our family about computers, internet etc. and aside from my 75 year old mother-in-law, who just got online, the rest on the geezers in the family won't touch it? Why do some of my relatives think it is "impersonal" or "alienating"? and others (same age -middle 30's to mid 50's)learn as much as they can from their kids and embrace it as they are able? I too see the need for a life outside of screen viewing - Nature is calling! Relationships with people and animals and the rest of the natural world are nourishing and vital... if the computer/internet 'boom' becomes just another tool for people to be mesmerized and controlled by whatever political group happens to figure it out first (witness the TV commercial phomomenon over the past 40 or so years -companies vie to control your desires to line their pockets)then some of people's instinctual fears are justified. Hey and don't give me any crap about AOL - my boss got this PC with deal to use them for a while!;o)
Introductions- I read about y'all in the Wall Street Journal and am confused by the techie stuff but oh so happy to see the freedom of expression/privacy/all other Constituational rights stuff & the general breath of fresh air that wafts thru slashdot. That's because I am old enough to be most of the slashdotter's mom:o) My doom- playing 15 year-old son is my resident tech advisor. A lot of us then hippie kids suffered in school in the 60's and early 70's. I know school was fun for me til 10th grade when cliques got ugly and freaks learned who their friends were. Please be forgiving as I stumble about cyberspace - I like your spirit. Peace.
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Yes and right on and amen Bruthuh. When the narrow specialist of any chronological age takes on a specialty-centric mindset it doesn't matter how superduper he/she is at their specialty (unless that is all you do in life)everything else that exists looks insignificant to them IMHO. So their world narrows radically and as it does, so does their mind. And then they appear larger and larger than the "outside" world (to themselves). This has its parallels in religion where the Believers are the few and the chosen; all outsiders are heretics and barbarians. The remedy for this is to make friends with people who have a wide variety of expertises and kinds of intelligence, as well a economic and political backgrounds. Learn the value of disciplines outside your own. If you can't see any worthwhile outside of your own, well - It's called THERAPY. Get some. Peace and love and rock & Roll Debba
right on, Coke Bear. You said it. To many people today don't see reason to kick ass and take names until the NIMBY phenom occurs. What did cute lil penguins ever to to the petroleum mega-corps? If we don't help them, who will?
Comments like this show the extreme inexperience and overall dysfunctionality of some slashbotics - "and vanquish the rest of humanity?" are u 4 real? Your flat must be done in early Adolf H. to make a statement like this and mean it... Humanity is already evolving its own shared and illumined consciousness, with science, art, mysticism, philosophy and ethics all swirling about in a whitewater rapids of change. Any so-called artificial intelligence would be a relocation of that one mind Carl Jung glimpsed in his studies.I mean lets face it, as Popeye said, I yam what I yam. And IMO you have another thing wrong - what people really really hold in awe is incredible kindness and beauty. In point, #1 the reaction of the entire world to the death of Mother Teresa (unbelieveable humanity, spirituality, wisdom and kindness) and #2, the reaction of the world to the death of Princess Diana (frail humanity, extreme beauty)In both cases evidence was seen all over the world of a planetary mourning, almost a worship. Techies almost invariably undersestimate the importance of love and kindness and their effect on intelligence both "natural" and "artificial" - think about it. Peace and blessed be, all slashbotians
I had read DUNE when in my early teens (shortly after it was published -geezerellahood impends)and liked it a lot for the same reasons I liked the Tolkein books - BIG ideas about life and society presented in an entertaining and agreeable fantasy format...plus the natural world looms large in both "worlds" something a lot of us have already a nostalgia for as we shut ourselves off from sunlight, flora and fauna in our brave new worlds...I think the appeal is broader than one might believe. I just discovered an old paperback copy of DUNE at a yard sale 2 weeks ago and my 15 yr. old son is devouring it. Proof! I also didn't think the sequels were nearly as good - and as for the film, I am going to have to find and watch it again - don't remember a thing about it! (Bad movie or impending geezerellahood??) Happy Trails. Debba
Amen, Maxomenos. The best thing parents can give their kids is the ability to think for themselves. The hard part is discerning when the kid is able to play hardball, i.e. has developed bullshit detectors and thus doesn't need appropriate shielding such as is appropriate for the very young. Kids under the age of 7 or 8 are in a different state of mind and pretty much learn by imitation. Especially when they are under age 6, it is pretty much monkey see, monkey do. Study Montessori, Steiner or any other progressive early childhood educator you care to choose - that is how we learn to walk, talk and think. We imitate. So having a shielded environment makes a lot of sense. Between 8 and 12 is when the BS detector and actual self-thinking emerges(hopefully) I would agree that censorship of older children is ill advised. But Max, do you really want to live in a culture of people who are hardwired to believe that power emanates from a gun barrel or batch of explosives rather than moral virtue and creative intelligence?? Think about it....
Hey! I like this post (today's internet edge.) It is fascinating to me how people polarize over the "new" technology -why does one 76 year old uncle know the most in our family about computers, internet etc. and aside from my 75 year old mother-in-law, who just got online, the rest on the geezers in the family won't touch it? Why do some of my relatives think it is "impersonal" or "alienating"? and others (same age -middle 30's to mid 50's)learn as much as they can from their kids and embrace it as they are able? I too see the need for a life outside of screen viewing - Nature is calling! Relationships with people and animals and the rest of the natural world are nourishing and vital... if the computer/internet 'boom' becomes just another tool for people to be mesmerized and controlled by whatever political group happens to figure it out first (witness the TV commercial phomomenon over the past 40 or so years -companies vie to control your desires to line their pockets)then some of people's instinctual fears are justified. Hey and don't give me any crap about AOL - my boss got this PC with deal to use them for a while! ;o)
Introductions- I read about y'all in the Wall Street Journal and am confused by the techie stuff but oh so happy to see the freedom of expression/privacy/all other Constituational rights stuff & the general breath of fresh air that wafts thru slashdot. That's because I am old enough to be most of the slashdotter's mom :o) My doom- playing 15 year-old son is my resident tech advisor. A lot of us then hippie kids suffered in school in the 60's and early 70's. I know school was fun for me til 10th grade when cliques got ugly and freaks learned who their friends were. Please be forgiving as I stumble about cyberspace - I like your spirit. Peace.