It's good you're happy with buying those shiny discs, at least your preferred artists get some reward.
My own preference for showing my appreciation is to hear the musicians live, and pay for the privelege. I had never heard of Autechre until I browsed someone's collection after I realised they were into stuff I liked. They played in my town last weekend, my girlfriend and I went to see them and had an excellent time. And they copped twenty UKP, plus whatever their share of our bar spend was (the drinks were not cheap...).
File sharing can work for the artist, when they are willing to get out and play their music in real life.
Sorry, who says the GUIs for Linux 'and kin' are 'non-existent or often crappy', or 'missing'?
Unfinished, by all means. But Microsoft has been selling unfinished GUIs for about 15 years.
Apple, on the other hand, completed their GUI and left the rest till some time around now.
Not that you mentioned either of these companies in your post, correct me if you meant something else.
No, Mr Troll, you are talking out your hairy hole.
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Unix systems (and I think that includes OS X,but I haven't used it) have the same problems as Windows -- File Management is essentially a power user activity because what's down there is just as ugly and confusing.
Hmmm...
A unified tree-structured hierarchy, transparently encompassing multiple disks and filesystems, networked storage, hardware and dynamic state information. As ugly and confusing as the windows filesystem.
For someone that posts at +2, you are full of nonsense.
Your one-line dismissals of projects that hundreds of Free software developers have worked on for years are nothing more than amusing:)
Linux... The type of thing that lends itself to casual hacking.
Either you are a guru uberhacker who is so full of himself that he can't perceive reality, or you are an undergraduate Software Engineering student who's picked up some buzzwords and can't stop using them... "modular", "derivative"...
These stupid copyright signs are not for some kind of 'coolness' effect, by the way. Instead, Netscape 6 sometimes likes to use them to replace my full stops.
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Now, it is clear after MS and Apple got done reading their customer surveys and doing their marketting research that the Explorer/Finder is the key factor to a successful desktop.
No, whatever their 'marketing research' says, the key factors are:
+ Available applications (Win)
+ Public awareness (Win+Mac)
+ Prettiness (Mac)
+ What everybody else uses (Win)
+ What came first in a niche field (Mac)
+ What they can get cheap on a CDR (Win)
At the end of the day, Explorer and Finder are just file managers. Many of the non-technical Windows and Mac users I know avoid managing their files properly, because they don't know how, or don't see the benefits - everything goes on the desktop or in the 'My Documents' directory. Eventually that fills up, then they forced into learning the skills required to get some return from the tedious task of file management.
None of them went with Windows or Macintosh because it had a great file manager.
The commercial unices have all got fairly advanced system admin GUIs - SAM on HP-UX, SMIT on AIX, don't know about Solaris but it has something.
Some of the 'unix admins' I work with don't know the shell. OK, that says something about the admins, but it also says something about what's required to make Gnome prime time.
Not to say that nothing is happening on these fronts though, but there really should be something for sysadmins with the kind of high profile Nautilus and Evolution are getting. And don't tell me about Linuxconf, I don't want to know.... any system that requires me to use it exclusively is a bad thing, and I've been bitten doing some things manually on Linuxconf managed systems. Too long ago to remember what, because I gave it up immediately.
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Mozilla (0.8.1) has been running on my Debian Woody machine for two or three days now without crashing.
Granted, I've not visited any SSL sites in that time....
Yep, I have to say Evolution is going to be fantastic.
I'm not so worried about the mailer as I am about the Calendar / Task list / Contact Manager. When I gave up windows and Schedule+ full time, I was just not satisfied with Gnome Calender / Address Book. The integration with other programs was weak. The customisation facilities were limited. I just gave up managing my personal information.
My life became even more chaotic than it originally was.
I missed appointments, I drifted aimlessly, not knowing from one minute to another what my days goals were. I forgot peoples phone numbers. I even forgot my own address.
Weeek after week I would apt-get upgrade, watching for Evolution updates. Sometimes there would be a point release. It would always crash. Sometimes no update came. Sometimes the update came and refused to even start. I began to apt-get less and less. My friends stopped speaking to me. My mother didn't recognise me when we passed each other in the street.
But finally, last week, I ventured into Debian Sid and found that the PIM part of Evolution 0.9 WORKS! It's a little ragged (I can't sort my tasks by priority:-[) but I finally feel order creeping back in to my life. Slowly. It's not a revolution. It's an evolution.
With Debian, 99% of your software is going to come from ftp.debian.org or whatever your local mirror is, because the Debian developers have packaged so much stuff up for us.
So you generally don't have to trust some random hacker's RPM, you have an official.deb.
OK, there are always exceptions that you can't get hold of from the Debian ftp sites, but there's more official Debian packages than official RedHat packages.
Unless something has radically changed in the 12 months that I've been away from RedHat.
1. Belonging to a nation with a history of civil rights abuse, most markedly visible in the Tiananmen Square massacre, is going to make protesting a very much last resort act. Even if it was 12 years ago, it must still be embedded in the nations consciousness.
2. The Chinese government, and other governments like it, are not swayed by public protest. They dictate.
Just because Asia looks more and more westernised to us, does not mean that the governments have changed their attitudes to their people.
Side note: it is not communism that I dislike, or that I feel causes the problems we are seeing, but corrupt, despotic government.
I'm not suggesting that they would repeat the act again. I should probably have made that more clear.
However, imagine YOU are a student in a country where 12 years ago the government killed it's own people for peaceful protest. Do you go out on the streets over some MP3s?
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It's good you're happy with buying those shiny discs, at least your preferred artists get some reward.
My own preference for showing my appreciation is to hear the musicians live, and pay for the privelege. I had never heard of Autechre until I browsed someone's collection after I realised they were into stuff I liked. They played in my town last weekend, my girlfriend and I went to see them and had an excellent time. And they copped twenty UKP, plus whatever their share of our bar spend was (the drinks were not cheap...).
File sharing can work for the artist, when they are willing to get out and play their music in real life.
If everybody stole IP instead of rightfully paying for it, there wouldn't be any businesses producing IP anymore.
Cool, does that mean that we'll have artists creating music instead? Fantastic!
Furthermore, I believe a fair amount of its development (despite my disapproval) has been handled by QT's developers.
Despite your disapproval?
So who are you then? A manager at QT? A head honcho on the KDE development team?
Or an arrogant, self-inflated fool?
Sorry, who says the GUIs for Linux 'and kin' are 'non-existent or often crappy', or 'missing'?
Unfinished, by all means. But Microsoft has been selling unfinished GUIs for about 15 years.
Apple, on the other hand, completed their GUI and left the rest till some time around now.
Not that you mentioned either of these companies in your post, correct me if you meant something else.
No, Mr Troll, you are talking out your hairy hole.
Unix systems (and I think that includes OS X,but I haven't used it) have the same problems as Windows -- File Management is essentially a power user activity because what's down there is just as ugly and confusing.
Hmmm...
A unified tree-structured hierarchy, transparently encompassing multiple disks and filesystems, networked storage, hardware and dynamic state information. As ugly and confusing as the windows filesystem.
I think not.
For someone that posts at +2, you are full of nonsense.
:)
Your one-line dismissals of projects that hundreds of Free software developers have worked on for years are nothing more than amusing
Linux... The type of thing that lends itself to casual hacking.
Either you are a guru uberhacker who is so full of himself that he can't perceive reality, or you are an undergraduate Software Engineering student who's picked up some buzzwords and can't stop using them... "modular", "derivative"...
Grow up.
Woops, I took the flamebait....
These stupid copyright signs are not for some kind of 'coolness' effect, by the way. Instead, Netscape 6 sometimes likes to use them to replace my full stops.
Damn, the curse of Netscape 6 again, the blasted full stop.
I think having a GUI on a server box is plain stupid©
You don't have to have your GUI on the server© Run your GUI tools on your desktop, generating text files to put on your server© However:
It hurts performance, hurts stability, and most of all it opens up a whole lot of security issues©
No it doesn't© It might do this in Windows, where a dead mouse means a dead box, but *nix have a nice, fairly well behaved userland GUI which does not bring your box to it's knees when it crashes©
And if you want to trim the load and risk down even further, use the network capabilities built into X, and run your Xserver at your desktop©
I love the command line© But I am not a bigot, and I will happily use the GUI when it's going to save me time and hassle© Sometimes it does, sometimes it doesn't© 99% of the other real-world admins out there will agree with me©
You are right, it is slower than IE and the old Netscape©
My hardware is an Athlon/800 with something like 256Mb RAM© On this platform, it's slightly faster than IE on my PII/333 at work©
But this is still 0©8©1, it is still not production software, and I think we are just about feature freezing ¥already frozen? so it's speed up time from now on©
You are right, some daemons are complex by nature©
Therefore, understanding them, and planning configuration carefully, is an essential prerequisite to configuration©
This does NOT mean that the actual implementation of the configuration has to be complex too© Text files are a good thing for all sorts of reasons© I love the shell and text files for automation, fault analysis and quick fixes, but for complex config work, why should I not have a speedy, easy-to-use interface?
Now, it is clear after MS and Apple got done reading their customer surveys and doing their marketting research that the Explorer/Finder is the key factor to a successful desktop.
No, whatever their 'marketing research' says, the key factors are:
+ Available applications (Win)
+ Public awareness (Win+Mac)
+ Prettiness (Mac)
+ What everybody else uses (Win)
+ What came first in a niche field (Mac)
+ What they can get cheap on a CDR (Win)
At the end of the day, Explorer and Finder are just file managers. Many of the non-technical Windows and Mac users I know avoid managing their files properly, because they don't know how, or don't see the benefits - everything goes on the desktop or in the 'My Documents' directory. Eventually that fills up, then they forced into learning the skills required to get some return from the tedious task of file management.
None of them went with Windows or Macintosh because it had a great file manager.
Mod you up... damn, no mod points.
The commercial unices have all got fairly advanced system admin GUIs - SAM on HP-UX, SMIT on AIX, don't know about Solaris but it has something.
Some of the 'unix admins' I work with don't know the shell. OK, that says something about the admins, but it also says something about what's required to make Gnome prime time.
Not to say that nothing is happening on these fronts though, but there really should be something for sysadmins with the kind of high profile Nautilus and Evolution are getting. And don't tell me about Linuxconf, I don't want to know.... any system that requires me to use it exclusively is a bad thing, and I've been bitten doing some things manually on Linuxconf managed systems. Too long ago to remember what, because I gave it up immediately.
Mozilla (0.8.1) has been running on my Debian Woody machine for two or three days now without crashing.
Granted, I've not visited any SSL sites in that time....
Yep, I have to say Evolution is going to be fantastic.
:-[) but I finally feel order creeping back in to my life. Slowly. It's not a revolution. It's an evolution.
:)
I'm not so worried about the mailer as I am about the Calendar / Task list / Contact Manager. When I gave up windows and Schedule+ full time, I was just not satisfied with Gnome Calender / Address Book. The integration with other programs was weak. The customisation facilities were limited. I just gave up managing my personal information.
My life became even more chaotic than it originally was.
I missed appointments, I drifted aimlessly, not knowing from one minute to another what my days goals were. I forgot peoples phone numbers. I even forgot my own address.
Weeek after week I would apt-get upgrade, watching for Evolution updates. Sometimes there would be a point release. It would always crash. Sometimes no update came. Sometimes the update came and refused to even start. I began to apt-get less and less. My friends stopped speaking to me. My mother didn't recognise me when we passed each other in the street.
But finally, last week, I ventured into Debian Sid and found that the PIM part of Evolution 0.9 WORKS! It's a little ragged (I can't sort my tasks by priority
Thanks, Ximian
Did I say you were male?
You use a 12" black strap on.
That's not the point.
.deb.
With Debian, 99% of your software is going to come from ftp.debian.org or whatever your local mirror is, because the Debian developers have packaged so much stuff up for us.
So you generally don't have to trust some random hacker's RPM, you have an official
OK, there are always exceptions that you can't get hold of from the Debian ftp sites, but there's more official Debian packages than official RedHat packages.
Unless something has radically changed in the 12 months that I've been away from RedHat.
1. You are about 11 hours late
2. You are redundant.
3. You are not very subtle.
On a less objective note, I think you fuck your mama's ass.
Thanks, you are actually the third person to point this out.
I stand corrected.
Flamebait? Moi?
You got me.
yeah, let's call a truce.
I am not ranting about Tiananmen Square.
I am saying:
1. Belonging to a nation with a history of civil rights abuse, most markedly visible in the Tiananmen Square massacre, is going to make protesting a very much last resort act. Even if it was 12 years ago, it must still be embedded in the nations consciousness.
2. The Chinese government, and other governments like it, are not swayed by public protest. They dictate.
Just because Asia looks more and more westernised to us, does not mean that the governments have changed their attitudes to their people.
Side note: it is not communism that I dislike, or that I feel causes the problems we are seeing, but corrupt, despotic government.
My point is contained in my 1st, 2nd and third posts. I'm not going to repeat myself.
I'm not suggesting that they would repeat the act again. I should probably have made that more clear.
However, imagine YOU are a student in a country where 12 years ago the government killed it's own people for peaceful protest. Do you go out on the streets over some MP3s?