You did indeed put your post in friendlier terms than the earlier ACs. However, you are just as wrong.
In managing a production system, you are managing a complex combination of hardware, operating system and applications. In planning changes to the system, it is best practice, i.e. professional, to make one change at a time in order to:
cleanly reverse changes when something goes wrong
keep control of your configuration
manage support costs
understand why changes are successful
and miscellaneous other benefits.
If Microsoft say "NT applications run faster on Windows 2000" then it is quite natural for people to want to do so, to gain a performance benefit.
Never mind x is tuned for y, were talking about a simple statement: "NT applications run faster on Windows 2000"
Funny you should say that, in fact I estimate that approximately 87% of all good music is born in these sceptred isles.
Beatles
Clash
Sex Pistles
Pink Floyd
Pulp
Aphex Twin
Blur
Camel
Osric Tentacles
Hawkwind
Inspiral Carpets
Stone Roses
Happy Mondays
Julian Cope
Manic Street Preachers
Arthur Brown
Beautiful South
Emerson Lake and Palmer
Dexys Midnight Runners
I mean, I could go on all night, but to be frank,only a small percentage of american output is halfway decent. I apologise for the Spice Girls and Take That.
I'm not even sure if it's worth pointing this out, but do you not think that the RIAA might, just perhaps, have got in touch with some IT consultants who do understand 'this routing shit', sometime before the Napster case went to court? Maybe?
On NT, if you disable Quincy, Dr Watson steps in and does much the same job...
The problem with Notes is actually Notes. Badly written apps can crash on any operating system - that's why Unix systems are often set up with cron jobs to remove core dumps.
Notes is a very bloated, buggy system. They've never really got the GUI right either.
Sorry, I don't understand your use of the word gay in this context.
Even if their is some kind of correlation between a person's sexual preference and their attitude to "intellectual property" in the digital age, Gay people are usually the opposite of fascist, controlling dictators.
Alternatively, if you were using the more traditional meaning of the word, I fail to see how it's relevant to the debate that your government is "happily excited, merry; keenly alive and exuberant; having or inducing high spirits"
I could have modded you down, but instead I want to know how taking up arms and becoming, essentially, a terrorist organisation, is going to help geeks win/keep their chosen freedoms.
Have you heard of Northern Ireland? Year after year people are killed and the killers say they are doing it for their just causes. The causes are indeed just - one side says they want to unite their country (Ireland), the other wants to keep their country united (Norther Ireland / UK)
Year after year, governments of different flavours repeat that they will *not* bow to Terrorist demands. If they did, how would it look? It would be like saying, "If you're violent enough you can have what you want."
So the war goes on.
Tell me then, how are geeks bearing guns going to "do the trick"?
Then use diald for dialup. I haven't used diald with Solaris, it might work, but if not you can put Linux on the SPARC. I run Linux (Debian and RedHat) on two SPARC IPX's, one is a mail server and one does NIS/DNS.
Then, when you (we hope) upgrade to broadband, install a 2nd NIC or whatever and you're laughing.
That's like saying people who program for money are not real programmers
No it's not; being a programmer is not the same as being an artist. This is the whole point here, artists are not like other workers. When they are, it devalues their work.
Some programmers are artists too; we call them 'hackers' or 'free software developers'.
Look at Linus, though he demands he is 'just' an engineer, I think he is being modest. He has said he didn't do Linux for fame and fortune.
He did it, initially, for his own use. But I don't think that would stand up to much scrutiny nowadays, I don't think Linus needs all the features of Linux. He could probably have stopped a few years ago and been quite happy with the result were that the case. The only way I could understand his continuing is because he is enjoying himself.
We really need to define what Art is here, and I would say that Art is the creative things we do for the sake of doing them - ars gratia artis.
Most software engineering, however, though it might be pleasant, is not art and is not done for the love of it. I'm talking about coding business logic in VB and stuff like that. Yes, there might be a feeling of satisfaction once you've released version 98 of your Fortune 500 company's mission critical workflow application, but you didn't do it to express yourself creatively:)
Free software developers express themselves creatively. They express their:
- joy of programming
- philosophy about freedom
- aesthetism
- fellowship with their fellow (wo)men
And whatever else tickles an individual's fancy.
My point is, I wouldn't want to pay for anything less. The beauty is, free software developers do not *require me to pay*. They do it anyway.
Of course, most have a day job which pays the bills.
Now, replace 'free software developers' with 'artists'.
Have you ever heard the phrase 'ars gratia artis'? It means 'art for art's sake'.
Many artists throughout history have created art for the love of it. In fact, the work of most painters has traditionally been worth money only when the painters are dead.
You seem to think that being an artist is like being a plumber or a software engineer. (I'm not saying there's no art in these jobs, but plumbers and software engineers don't get paid for art).
Art is what some of the human race does in their spare time to try to make their life worthwhile. Others write code because they enjoy it. If you try to do it for money, it doesn't have any soul. Hence the large amount of voluntarily contributed software you enjoy, which seems to me to have soul.
Money has to be a beneficial side effect, or art becomes a meaningless product, tailored to a market, with nothing useful to add to what came before it.
As I've said elsewhere, if an artist feels that I should not experience their work without paying for the pleasure, it's not worth experiencing.
Well, that is an answer. But I don't think it's a great answer.
If you're an ISV selling a niche product or products, you pretty much get to say "Customer, you will run SCO" or "Customer, you will run Linux". They just want you're application, they don't care what it runs on. They're paying $$$ for it to carry out a, presumably important, function, where there's little competition,
If it's an established, generic product, like a database server, you'll have a SCO port anyway. If not, you probably don't care about them.
If it's a new, mass-appeal product, like an RDBMS or a web server or something, OK, there might be some people running on SCO. I doubt it. Oracle doesn't seem to do SCO, for instance. But I don't think this is really 'news for nerds'; more like 'news for one proprietary Unix vendor who might be able to scrape two or three more years of life from it's dying product."
I don't have much experience of SCO, my company used to use it for telephony but it's gone now because the software provider was phasing it out; we now run NT. But everything I've read suggests it's used in niche markets, like telephony, where the vendor says "This runs on SCO, take it or leave it."
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Well, the technology here is the code.
Part of the argument about one-click is that it's trivial.
So, who'd be daft enough to license trivial code?
I don't think Apple or anyone else would have licensed "One-Click Technology"(TM).
Anyone care to make me reel in disbelief?
Talented hackers who believe that Free should stay Free would have finished the Hurd and I would be using it now.
You really don't pay much attention to what is happening, albeit slowly, in the world of free software:
:)
Gnome
KDE
Eazel (Nautilis)
Ximian (RedCarpet)
and of course, there's Debian apt
Free Software is gradually making *n*x easy to use, without making it a PITA for the knowledgable. And it wouldn't have happened without the GPL.
Then we must go for the suppliers - shut down the evil software producers!
So software is like drugs. I like free software...
In managing a production system, you are managing a complex combination of hardware, operating system and applications. In planning changes to the system, it is best practice, i.e. professional, to make one change at a time in order to:
- cleanly reverse changes when something goes wrong
- keep control of your configuration
- manage support costs
- understand why changes are successful
and miscellaneous other benefits.If Microsoft say "NT applications run faster on Windows 2000" then it is quite natural for people to want to do so, to gain a performance benefit.
Never mind x is tuned for y, were talking about a simple statement: "NT applications run faster on Windows 2000"
Think about it.
Funny you should say that, in fact I estimate that approximately 87% of all good music is born in these sceptred isles.
Beatles
Clash
Sex Pistles
Pink Floyd
Pulp
Aphex Twin
Blur
Camel
Osric Tentacles
Hawkwind
Inspiral Carpets
Stone Roses
Happy Mondays
Julian Cope
Manic Street Preachers
Arthur Brown
Beautiful South
Emerson Lake and Palmer
Dexys Midnight Runners
I mean, I could go on all night, but to be frank,only a small percentage of american output is halfway decent. I apologise for the Spice Girls and Take That.
OK, but Sean looks nothing like the wonderful Alan Cox. He doesn't even have a five o'clock shadow.
Merriam-Webster thinks he may very well be an entrepreneur.
I'm not even sure if it's worth pointing this out, but do you not think that the RIAA might, just perhaps, have got in touch with some IT consultants who do understand 'this routing shit', sometime before the Napster case went to court? Maybe?
On NT, if you disable Quincy, Dr Watson steps in and does much the same job...
The problem with Notes is actually Notes. Badly written apps can crash on any operating system - that's why Unix systems are often set up with cron jobs to remove core dumps.
Notes is a very bloated, buggy system. They've never really got the GUI right either.
Better than Exchange though!
Sorry, I don't understand your use of the word gay in this context.
Even if their is some kind of correlation between a person's sexual preference and their attitude to "intellectual property" in the digital age, Gay people are usually the opposite of fascist, controlling dictators.
Alternatively, if you were using the more traditional meaning of the word, I fail to see how it's relevant to the debate that your government is "happily excited, merry; keenly alive and exuberant; having or inducing high spirits"
I could have modded you down, but instead I want to know how taking up arms and becoming, essentially, a terrorist organisation, is going to help geeks win/keep their chosen freedoms.
Have you heard of Northern Ireland? Year after year people are killed and the killers say they are doing it for their just causes. The causes are indeed just - one side says they want to unite their country (Ireland), the other wants to keep their country united (Norther Ireland / UK)
Year after year, governments of different flavours repeat that they will *not* bow to Terrorist demands. If they did, how would it look? It would be like saying, "If you're violent enough you can have what you want."
So the war goes on.
Tell me then, how are geeks bearing guns going to "do the trick"?
Why no firewall?
You can make or buy a suitable serial cable.
Then use diald for dialup. I haven't used diald with Solaris, it might work, but if not you can put Linux on the SPARC. I run Linux (Debian and RedHat) on two SPARC IPX's, one is a mail server and one does NIS/DNS.
Then, when you (we hope) upgrade to broadband, install a 2nd NIC or whatever and you're laughing.
Is that why you wrote a long and inflammatory post?
No it's not; being a programmer is not the same as being an artist. This is the whole point here, artists are not like other workers. When they are, it devalues their work.
Some programmers are artists too; we call them 'hackers' or 'free software developers'.
Look at Linus, though he demands he is 'just' an engineer, I think he is being modest. He has said he didn't do Linux for fame and fortune.
He did it, initially, for his own use. But I don't think that would stand up to much scrutiny nowadays, I don't think Linus needs all the features of Linux. He could probably have stopped a few years ago and been quite happy with the result were that the case. The only way I could understand his continuing is because he is enjoying himself.
We really need to define what Art is here, and I would say that Art is the creative things we do for the sake of doing them - ars gratia artis.
Some software engineers, a.k.a. hackers, do that.
:)
Most software engineering, however, though it might be pleasant, is not art and is not done for the love of it. I'm talking about coding business logic in VB and stuff like that. Yes, there might be a feeling of satisfaction once you've released version 98 of your Fortune 500 company's mission critical workflow application, but you didn't do it to express yourself creatively
Free software developers express themselves creatively. They express their:
- joy of programming
- philosophy about freedom
- aesthetism
- fellowship with their fellow (wo)men
And whatever else tickles an individual's fancy.
My point is, I wouldn't want to pay for anything less. The beauty is, free software developers do not *require me to pay*. They do it anyway.
Of course, most have a day job which pays the bills.
Now, replace 'free software developers' with 'artists'.
It didn't, but it does have a games section.
C'mon, you don't need to make threats. The RIAA can just get Dubya to send your young men out to bomb them :)
No, you are wrong.
Have you ever heard the phrase 'ars gratia artis'? It means 'art for art's sake'.
Many artists throughout history have created art for the love of it. In fact, the work of most painters has traditionally been worth money only when the painters are dead.
You seem to think that being an artist is like being a plumber or a software engineer. (I'm not saying there's no art in these jobs, but plumbers and software engineers don't get paid for art).
Art is what some of the human race does in their spare time to try to make their life worthwhile. Others write code because they enjoy it. If you try to do it for money, it doesn't have any soul. Hence the large amount of voluntarily contributed software you enjoy, which seems to me to have soul.
Money has to be a beneficial side effect, or art becomes a meaningless product, tailored to a market, with nothing useful to add to what came before it.
As I've said elsewhere, if an artist feels that I should not experience their work without paying for the pleasure, it's not worth experiencing.
So both statements are true then? :)
All my suspicions confirmed
Your argument is dangerous and wrong.
It is dangerous because on a first reading it credibly invalidates Stallman and Lincoln's statements, if the reader is not paying attention.
However, on subsequent readings it becomes apparent it is wrong.
Neither Stallman nor Lincoln said you must give up all your property rights.
What they do say, when there is a CONFLICT, human rights must prevail.
And of course, one basic HUMAN right is the PROPERTY right to ones own body.
Think before you post.
-- coding style being a very personal thing--
But good coding style is a very impersonal thing. Code should communicate. Code done in a "personal style" is incomprehensible and IMHO often broken.
The problem is, the people who write code in a "personal style" really don't care enough about their code to make it better.
This is, of course, why things like Linux have style documentation.
If only people who didn't care about their code would stop writing it.
UKP sounds a whole load more intersting than LKP. I can at least see the point :)
Well, that is an answer. But I don't think it's a great answer.
If you're an ISV selling a niche product or products, you pretty much get to say "Customer, you will run SCO" or "Customer, you will run Linux". They just want you're application, they don't care what it runs on. They're paying $$$ for it to carry out a, presumably important, function, where there's little competition,
If it's an established, generic product, like a database server, you'll have a SCO port anyway. If not, you probably don't care about them.
If it's a new, mass-appeal product, like an RDBMS or a web server or something, OK, there might be some people running on SCO. I doubt it. Oracle doesn't seem to do SCO, for instance. But I don't think this is really 'news for nerds'; more like 'news for one proprietary Unix vendor who might be able to scrape two or three more years of life from it's dying product."
I don't have much experience of SCO, my company used to use it for telephony but it's gone now because the software provider was phasing it out; we now run NT. But everything I've read suggests it's used in niche markets, like telephony, where the vendor says "This runs on SCO, take it or leave it."
It's far more interesting to watch.