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  1. Re:To clear thing out (I hope) on In Israel, Potential Organ Donors Could Jump the Queue · · Score: 1

    Exactly the problem!
    You are not going to say - that he is dead,right?
    But you don't know if he is alive.
    So ,what now?

  2. Re:To clear thing out (I hope) on In Israel, Potential Organ Donors Could Jump the Queue · · Score: 1

    Exactly!

  3. To clear thing out (I hope) on In Israel, Potential Organ Donors Could Jump the Queue · · Score: 1

    Well,the _ donation _ is not a problem .The problem is :
    When do you consider a person dead ,so you can use his organs? In other word ,the moment of death.
    This is _ not _ a simple question to ask.
    The current knowledge in medicine says the moment of death is the "brain death".
    However this is not so simple.
    If there _ is _ a possibility of a person to be back alive after a "brain death" then taking his organs is
    pratically killing him ,right?
    This "moment of death" is the real Judaism problem .
    While doctors say it is OK to take your organs ,how do you make sure of two things:
    1. The person is _ really _ dead (when we think of a person as dead?)
    2. Why would you trust _ any _ doctor on such a thing?
    So ,there are two main opinions in Judaism:
    1. The moment of death is the brain death ,_ but _ to make sure that person is really dead
          there is a need of more then just one doctor to decide .Let say we need two doctors to say
          that and one _ none _ doctor to see that the two other guys are not going to just kill somebody
          for money.
          There is a law in preparing actually in Isarel that makes all this to happen.

    2. The moment of death is the moment of heart actually stopping.
            This is _ against _ of current science ,however I would not trust a science for this, science changes.

    Note however that if an organ was _ already _ taken than the person is already dead anyway and thus
    the "receiving an organ is OK under religious law".
    Just trying to clear thing out.

  4. Re:Orthodox rabbis? on In Israel, Potential Organ Donors Could Jump the Queue · · Score: 1

    Well,the _ donation _ is not a problem .The problem is :
    When do you consider a person dead ,so you can use his organs?
    This is _ not _ a simple question to ask.
    The current knowledge in medicine says the moment of death is the "brain death".
    However this is not so simple.
    If there _ is _ a possibility of a person to be back alive after a "brain death" then taking his organs is
    pratically killing him ,right?
    This "moment of death" is the real Judaism problem .
    While doctors say it is OK to take your organs ,how do you make sure of two things:
    1. The person is _ really _ dead (when we think of a person as dead?)
    2. Why would you trust _ any _ doctor on such a thing?
    So ,there are two main opinions in Judaism:
    1. The moment of death is the brain death ,_ but _ to make sure that person is really dead
          there is a need of more then just one doctor to decide .Let say we need two doctors to say
          that and one _ none _ doctor to see that the two other guys are not going to just kill somebody
          for money.
          There is a law in preparing actually in Isarel that makes all this to happen.

    2. The moment of death is the moment of heart actually stopping.
            This is _ against _ of current science ,however I would not trust a science for this, science changes.

    Note however that if an organ was _ already _ taken than the person is already dead anyway and thus
    the "receiving an organ is OK under religious law".
    Just trying to clear thing out.