Android apps run on BB phones. Why bother with a port which amounts to a downgrade? Who would want a Z10 with Android that doesn't want a Z10 with BB10?
75% is a global figure, it is very much biased towards the working poor. Assuming you are in the USA the number is about 50% and concentrated downmarket.
Better apps = we have app sales per phone across hundreds of millions of people. Printing to printers = yes Easily access files = yes Do stuff without iTunes = yes most stuff. Though you are starting to break Apple's paradigm here, asking whether Apple is better.
As for why you need to go back and forth... because home printers don't use industry standard drivers like PCL and Postscript. If they could guarantee only a small number of formats with simple IP command sequences (i.e. minimal drivers) there wouldn't be a need for the network. The main reason though is remote printing.
It wouldn't shock me if dropping 4 phones is how they determine if they can charge roughly what they expect. It will be a 6 mo. or more before we get the data from their claims.
I wish this totally derogatory comment were nonsense. There are some elements of truth and some things you got wrong. Talking about the USA (other countries complicate things)
In general the migration has been from Android (and secondary BlackBerry, Windows Phone 6...) to iPhone not the reverse. There are more or less 3 buying cycles in the USA now (postpay market only): a) 1/3rd of the population gets a new iPhone if their contract is up and Apple releases (i.e. they time for the Apple release) b) 1/3rd of the population gets a new iPhone phone when their contract is up or they need one. c) 1/3rd of the population chooses from the available phones when their contract is up. They generally go for Androids.
The migration pattern is (c) to (b) or (a) and (b) to (a), not the reverse as your comment implies. That is group (c) grows and grows from recruiting from the other groups. What's unclear is how large group (c) will stabilize at. There are a large group of people that don't want Apple products and have some resistance to them or loves the features of Android (and secondarily BlackBerry). How large they stay is a question. The migration from (b) to (a) makes sense and helps to create the hype.
As far as a US monopoly they are heading towards one. Their share has been increasing, even on AT&T where it was absurdly high. The carriers are worried about it and are doing stuff to counter it to some extent. So the answer about whether Apple develops a US monopoly is "maybe" and "they are getting there".
As for the cheap smartphone market which in the USA is prepay, Apple has a low share. Their play for this market will be the large number of used iPhones put into circulation as the iPhone 4s reach end of contract (i.e. the next 6 months we will see if share skyrockets).
iPhone: an entirely new manufacturing process unlike any ever done for any consumer device ever allowing for thinner and lighter an entirely new GUI
mac laptop: The move to high resolution (retina display) standardizing on SSD allowing the operating system to use a small frequent write strategy that won't work for HDD
desktop: an entirely new pro line the move to fusion technology
Battery life matters to everyone. GUI latency matters to everyone. How much is iCloud integration worth, quite a bit. How much is better Twitter or Facebook integration worth... I'd say it has some rather mainstream features.
Those are fine counter arguments. But the original argument was that it had no advantages and survived because of fashion. You are arguing it has real advantages but that people are failing to properly weigh the disadvantages.
I'd disagree about improperly weighing. But that's a totally different argument than gp's. If there is any feature I want it is something like BlackBerry Balance.
I'd consider no side loading and only app store generally a plus because it allows Apple to effectively act like a government. I get huge benefits from Apple being able to effectively regulate. The UI in terms of latency is faster than Android, so I'm not sure what you mean here. No customization is a huge minus I agree completely. Lack of real multitasking generally results in better battery life, while I might want some limited multitasking I want it carefully regulated and in general given the available alternatives I'll take the trade off. Etc...
You are correct. The LG G2 beat it on one benchmark and I thought it was beating it on the others, rather than the iPhone losing to very high end Android tablets.
The only thing found on objective testing is in execution of java based benchmarks within browsers. There is nothing comparing it in any meaningful way beyond that.
There are standard phone benchmarks.
Camera quality is just like audiophile equipment, entirely subjective. No one can agree on what makes a camera good.
There are measures of camera quality. More importantly things like "do pictures blur under situation x" aren't subjective.
. Being able to wait two days between charges is not fantastic.
It is for a smartphone
As long as the criteria is only comparing walled gardens.
Yeah.
What does that even mean?
It means it has productivity apps designed for the form factor (phone or tablet) people use with it.
There are many free cloud services that don't require you to buy something in order to get it.
For applications. No there aren't. Name 2.
How is it different from anything else. Even Microsoft can claim that one.
Agreed the Lumias have that too and possibly better. Android does not however and BlackBerry does not.
Square Trade has pretty good data. Let's complement companies when they publish good data and make it available to the net. And of course there is a good business reason Square Trade did this R&D they have to figure out how to insure these phones. The mitzvah is them publishing the data.
That's terrific data. Just to add to that Microsoft has done research on latency using devices much to expensive, big... to be in a phone. Humans can detect and strongly prefer touch latency down to about 10ms. The numbers are staggering in terms of preference.
They aren't channel stuffing. They have been steadily increasing wait times on their website. Why stuff when you can sell to customers in money in hand?
Apple is now around or over 3/4s of the USA postpay market. Are you really going to argue that those people are being driven by fashion or are particularly fashion conscious?
They make way more than $100 per phone. Gross is is closer to $330 / phone. After all the expenses like marketing, R&D and Apple warranties ($99 is less than Apple's cost, so the phone has to offset the warranties) it is still well over $100 / phone.
The iPhone 5S is the 2nd fast phone on the market. It has the 2nd or 3rd best camera for a mainstream phone. It has fantastic battery life. It has better application selection than any other phone. It has a suite of productivity applications that are specific. It has an integrated cloud service included free for application developers. It has a custom desktop operating system that it is increasingly integrated with. It has a selection of tablets that are popular and run the same software.
How exactly is that perception marketing rather than genuine advantages?
Well the Japanese, rich Chinese, the people on expensive plans in Europe and something like 80% of American postpay customers. People for whom "pretty much the same thing" isn't good enough and had no intention of buying the Androids that were only "a fraction of the cost".
Yes. I suggest you read a bit about the real dark ages and what was required to push the ancient world into it. I think you grossly underestimate how vibrant complex societies are.
When did I say anything remotely like that? There is no reason they would walk. We invented the boat about 4-7 years ago. Further large migrations often involve wars. What does that have to do with the topic?
On iOS you have iCloud On Android you have Google services Everyone is doing MDM
There is plenty of play for that intermediate layer. I can easily see a 2013 version of BES being an amazing feature that people would flock to the phone for. The problem is BlackBerry doesn't have that. They have a 2005 version of BES slightly updated.
They still have the market for people that demand a physical keyboard cornered. Unfortunately, that is only a couple of percentage of the smartphone market, and shrinking daily.
Don't know about that. BlackBerry remains shockingly popular among teens and twenty somethings that primarily use their phone for social networking (i.e. typing). The phone is still well respected among them and given that BlackBerry doesn't even market to them or include good features for them, that says something. I don't know if BlackBerry can stomach being the phone for teenage girls but I think they could win that market.
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Android apps run on BB phones. Why bother with a port which amounts to a downgrade? Who would want a Z10 with Android that doesn't want a Z10 with BB10?
75% is a global figure, it is very much biased towards the working poor. Assuming you are in the USA the number is about 50% and concentrated downmarket.
Better apps = we have app sales per phone across hundreds of millions of people.
Printing to printers = yes
Easily access files = yes
Do stuff without iTunes = yes most stuff. Though you are starting to break Apple's paradigm here, asking whether Apple is better.
As for why you need to go back and forth... because home printers don't use industry standard drivers like PCL and Postscript. If they could guarantee only a small number of formats with simple IP command sequences (i.e. minimal drivers) there wouldn't be a need for the network. The main reason though is remote printing.
It wouldn't shock me if dropping 4 phones is how they determine if they can charge roughly what they expect. It will be a 6 mo. or more before we get the data from their claims.
I saw that. I had seen the loss to the G2 and the loss to some high end Android tablets and conflated the two. I agree it is in 1st place solidly.
I wish this totally derogatory comment were nonsense. There are some elements of truth and some things you got wrong. Talking about the USA (other countries complicate things)
In general the migration has been from Android (and secondary BlackBerry, Windows Phone 6...) to iPhone not the reverse. There are more or less 3 buying cycles in the USA now (postpay market only):
a) 1/3rd of the population gets a new iPhone if their contract is up and Apple releases (i.e. they time for the Apple release)
b) 1/3rd of the population gets a new iPhone phone when their contract is up or they need one.
c) 1/3rd of the population chooses from the available phones when their contract is up. They generally go for Androids.
The migration pattern is (c) to (b) or (a) and (b) to (a), not the reverse as your comment implies. That is group (c) grows and grows from recruiting from the other groups. What's unclear is how large group (c) will stabilize at. There are a large group of people that don't want Apple products and have some resistance to them or loves the features of Android (and secondarily BlackBerry). How large they stay is a question. The migration from (b) to (a) makes sense and helps to create the hype.
As far as a US monopoly they are heading towards one. Their share has been increasing, even on AT&T where it was absurdly high. The carriers are worried about it and are doing stuff to counter it to some extent. So the answer about whether Apple develops a US monopoly is "maybe" and "they are getting there".
As for the cheap smartphone market which in the USA is prepay, Apple has a low share. Their play for this market will be the large number of used iPhones put into circulation as the iPhone 4s reach end of contract (i.e. the next 6 months we will see if share skyrockets).
What's happened under Cook?
iPhone:
an entirely new manufacturing process unlike any ever done for any consumer device ever allowing for thinner and lighter
an entirely new GUI
mac laptop:
The move to high resolution (retina display)
standardizing on SSD allowing the operating system to use a small frequent write strategy that won't work for HDD
desktop:
an entirely new pro line
the move to fusion technology
etc...
Battery life matters to everyone. GUI latency matters to everyone. How much is iCloud integration worth, quite a bit. How much is better Twitter or Facebook integration worth... I'd say it has some rather mainstream features.
Those are fine counter arguments. But the original argument was that it had no advantages and survived because of fashion. You are arguing it has real advantages but that people are failing to properly weigh the disadvantages.
I'd disagree about improperly weighing. But that's a totally different argument than gp's. If there is any feature I want it is something like BlackBerry Balance.
I'd consider no side loading and only app store generally a plus because it allows Apple to effectively act like a government. I get huge benefits from Apple being able to effectively regulate. The UI in terms of latency is faster than Android, so I'm not sure what you mean here. No customization is a huge minus I agree completely. Lack of real multitasking generally results in better battery life, while I might want some limited multitasking I want it carefully regulated and in general given the available alternatives I'll take the trade off. Etc...
You are correct. The LG G2 beat it on one benchmark and I thought it was beating it on the others, rather than the iPhone losing to very high end Android tablets.
Didn't read carefully enough. I stand corrected.
There are standard phone benchmarks.
There are measures of camera quality. More importantly things like "do pictures blur under situation x" aren't subjective.
It is for a smartphone
Yeah.
It means it has productivity apps designed for the form factor (phone or tablet) people use with it.
For applications. No there aren't. Name 2.
Agreed the Lumias have that too and possibly better. Android does not however and BlackBerry does not.
At the iPhone 5S release it came in 2nd, losing only to the LG G2. I'd say that's one argument you have to shelve for now.
Square Trade has pretty good data. Let's complement companies when they publish good data and make it available to the net. And of course there is a good business reason Square Trade did this R&D they have to figure out how to insure these phones. The mitzvah is them publishing the data.
That's terrific data. Just to add to that Microsoft has done research on latency using devices much to expensive, big... to be in a phone. Humans can detect and strongly prefer touch latency down to about 10ms. The numbers are staggering in terms of preference.
They aren't channel stuffing. They have been steadily increasing wait times on their website. Why stuff when you can sell to customers in money in hand?
Apple is now around or over 3/4s of the USA postpay market. Are you really going to argue that those people are being driven by fashion or are particularly fashion conscious?
They make way more than $100 per phone. Gross is is closer to $330 / phone. After all the expenses like marketing, R&D and Apple warranties ($99 is less than Apple's cost, so the phone has to offset the warranties) it is still well over $100 / phone.
The iPhone 5S is the 2nd fast phone on the market. It has the 2nd or 3rd best camera for a mainstream phone. It has fantastic battery life. It has better application selection than any other phone. It has a suite of productivity applications that are specific. It has an integrated cloud service included free for application developers. It has a custom desktop operating system that it is increasingly integrated with. It has a selection of tablets that are popular and run the same software.
How exactly is that perception marketing rather than genuine advantages?
Well the Japanese, rich Chinese, the people on expensive plans in Europe and something like 80% of American postpay customers. People for whom "pretty much the same thing" isn't good enough and had no intention of buying the Androids that were only "a fraction of the cost".
Sorry I meant to say 4-7 thousand years ago. :)
Yes. I suggest you read a bit about the real dark ages and what was required to push the ancient world into it. I think you grossly underestimate how vibrant complex societies are.
When did I say anything remotely like that? There is no reason they would walk. We invented the boat about 4-7 years ago. Further large migrations often involve wars. What does that have to do with the topic?
On iOS you have iCloud
On Android you have Google services
Everyone is doing MDM
There is plenty of play for that intermediate layer. I can easily see a 2013 version of BES being an amazing feature that people would flock to the phone for. The problem is BlackBerry doesn't have that. They have a 2005 version of BES slightly updated.
They still have the market for people that demand a physical keyboard cornered. Unfortunately, that is only a couple of percentage of the smartphone market, and shrinking daily.
Don't know about that. BlackBerry remains shockingly popular among teens and twenty somethings that primarily use their phone for social networking (i.e. typing). The phone is still well respected among them and given that BlackBerry doesn't even market to them or include good features for them, that says something. I don't know if BlackBerry can stomach being the phone for teenage girls but I think they could win that market.
They had a business plan. Create a phone that was better than Android and iOS for their existing base. They sort of failed but they had a plan.