Laptops are not left out in the cold to experience -20 temperatures for weeks at a time. Laptops are not left out in the sun to experience 130 temperatures for weeks at a time. Laptops don't experience the degree of shaking a car component does. Laptops don't have a 6-10 year life expectancy.
I do wish the DMCA had provisions to punish for obviously invalid invocations of it, however.
It does. Things like fraudulent claims of ownership are punishable. The thing is this isn't obvious invalid. It is very likely invalid. There is a bar it just is much further along.
Besides generally you want people to be able to object in an official way rather easily and that's all a DMCA claim is, an on the record objection.
I think you're being too vague measuring conservativeness only by acceptance of change.
There is a problem. The word conservative has overlapping meanings and is vague.
But if something new does have perceived utility, slashdot would embrace it. Say, the open source initiative.
Open source predates/./. was born out of the open source initiative, i.e. the Linux movement.
You mentioned Wayland vs Linux, but remember that Linux itself was a change from a Windows-dominant world.
Well first off, I agree that/. used to not be conservative. I think this is a recent change.
On the issue of the underlying fact I don't fully agree. The Linux movement came out of the academic Unix community. Basically a way of providing a bad Unix on x86 for much less money than a good Unix would cost./. when it started had a lot of people like me who had come to Linux from UNIX. We were interested in Linux because it gave us the opportunity to do stuff we would have liked to do on an SGI/AIX/Solaris box cheaply.
The next wave was definitely Linux enthusiasts who were moving away from Windows and were looking for a desktop operating system with capabilities well beyond what Windows 98/ME offered.
how slashdot has no problem rejecting free market capitalism or libertarianism
I wouldn't agree with you. I'd say that in general/. is pro capitalists and leans libertarian. How often do you hear calls for government takeovers the database industry for example?
This started as your claim about the US and UK. Apple does well over 40m units per quarter every quarter consistently. That's far more than 100% of the USA and UK markets combined.
Then it moved to China. Your claim was the marketshare was 4.2% for Apple falling from 6.2% while 90.1% from Android. "Apples market share is 21times smaller." IDG reported totally different numbers. Both IDG and Canalys had marketshare increasing rapidly and it being far greater than 4%. The 2nd graph pretty clearly shows what non-Samsung phones are doing globally.
As for $220 being the average, that's coming from Gigaom story not some Chinese translation.I'm not following you down the rabbit hole offtopic into average price for the Chinese market. No reputable agency puts the average price at $220 for China, not remotely. You don't agree with IDG go with any of the other dozen agencies. Pick Kanter, Canalys, Asymco.... all of them don't come near those numbers. Chinese smartphones on average are electronic poor, low connection systems running a variant of Android without all the Google services. Very much like the feature phones sold in Eastern Europe, Africa and the middle east. That's well known, widely reported and irrelevant to the main point about apple.
dvi2tty doesn't preserve semantics. It's not easy to decide which paragraphs end at a page break and which don't. MathML is needed to interface w/ Computer Algebra Systems.
Sure but we are talking e-readers here.
JPEGs don't scale.
They sort of can be magnified. Beyond that, why do they need to? You want the equation to break in fairly specific ways, that's the whole thing with multi-line equations. You don't want flow on your equations which means you can constrain size.
Not true. Microsoft was declared to be a monopoly in operating systems.
Vertical integration is one thing that anti-trust laws address
True. If Apple were vertically integrating to establish a monopoly that would be illegal. Vertical integration is perfectly legal. General Motors is allowed to use their own parts, run their own dealerships and provide loans. Even when the government ran GM directly.
If Apple's new "radio service" is integrated into iOS, how is that different? [than Microsoft with IE]
First off the issue above. Companies are allowed to do things monopolies cannot. Companies can be much more competitive. As long as Apple is not considered a monopoly in smartphones they have a lot of freedom of action.
Microsoft at the time claimed they could avoid separating the browser component away. The argument of the court was that Microsoft used their OS monopoly to establish a browser monopoly. That is IE standards tried to control the web.
Apple would just be offering a service. They aren't attempting to control internet radio but rather just create yet another reason to buy their primary product. If they did use their hardware to try and destroy Pandora... that's bad. If they were a monopoly then it is a crime.
I think it has been about a quarter century since there has been DJs on regular radio much. By that standard there just isn't much radio left anywhere.
Crutchy: the difference will be that apple makes a shitload more money than all the others combined Tepples: Not even close; Google+Samsung alone are larger than Apple:)
Well first off Crutchy was talking about Spotify and Pandora. But even on this in terms of Net income Apple is still quite a bit ahead:
Apple = 41.75B Google = 10.79B Samsung = 18.12B
EBITDA Apple is up by less since Samsung's depreciation was huge, only $3B.
Lets be honest about Apples market share...Its a localised phenomena in US and UK,
Tell that to Japan, Germany and China. And quarter by quarter numbers seem good in many other markets too.
but today applications are developed first for Android,
Please. Fortune just put out a report on verticals. With the exception of Oil and Gas (Windows Phone) iOS or Android had the overwhelming majority with iOS having about a 2::1 lead.
Were the concealed carry people in your uncited example the type of citizens who would qualify for a permit if they were legal? The kind of responsible concealed carry permit holder that would best be a crime deterrent tend to also be the type that wouldn't intentionally break the law no matter how strongly they may disagree with it.
Its hard to know. Very strict concealed carry laws have gotten rolled back in many states. So today most people whom you would want to have guns would qualify, at the time not so much. But I don't think the best deterrents are people with clean records. When I was growing up we had organized crime. Those guys were excellent deterrents to disorganized crime but wouldn't pass a background check.
Here you are considering a trade-off between non-violent property crimes and shootings, to be fair you must compare between more similar crimes. How many additional rapes are the people willing to accept? Muggings? Car-jackings?
I'd be curious if car-jackings don't correlate strongly with gun availability. But muggings I'd agree that's a good case were gun deterrence could work well. OTOH mugging is super easy to stop via. policing because muggers have to do so many per day.
Citizen owned guns are probably most effective somewhere between the two extremes. In a lawless state self defense becomes an arms race
Yes it does. And there ratios of criminals to non criminals matter.
and somewhere in the middle they serve as an additional layer of defense against an immediate threat while deterring overall crime-rates making the limited police resources more effective.
That's what I'm unsure of. I think you need to be pretty close to the anarchy extreme.
The ratios you quote are meaningless since the numbers are measured with wildly different methodologies and errors (see previous point).
I'd agree with the statistical problems I'd assume they are large enough differences to correct for statistical issues. Cut 50x down to only 25x or even 10x and it is still overwhelming.
And lastly and most politically incorrect of all: How many more Columbines or Sandy Hooks would you be willing to accept if we eliminated gun-related suicide entirely?
We lost 20k per year to gun related suicides. All the school shootings combined don't get you to one month's worth. More importantly we had in Arizona exactly the situation the gun advocates wanted armed people in the crowd. They couldn't do anything into the cover fire stopped (31 rounds expended). And then the armed guy closest misidentified and was getting ready to kill one of the heroes who was disarming Loughner. Obviously we don't want to draw too much from one case, but the whole armed deterrence / shooting back didn't work out so well under more or less perfect conditions.
My forefathers? Where my family lived there was no meaningful klan activity. The Democratic party was the party for Catholics and the working class while the Republican party was Protestant and merchant class. The two parties worked together and helped to build a decent society. Then the southern racists that currently run your party took the Republican party over the New England Republican party are now running the Democratic party while working with the working class interests that formed the traditional Democratic party.
The Republican party in the 1950s was a great party. And if they still existed I'd be voting for them. But they don't.
i haven't played with Texmacs in years. Might be worth trying again.
I don't know Maxima in terms of CAS. Many years ago I used Maple oriented notebooks and Mathematica ones and they integrated well. But Maxima was at that point very rough, I'd assume things have gotten much better and it makes sense for OpenSource to focus on Maxima.
Urban environments have experienced what permissive concealed carry (in effect though rarely in law) would look like. There have been periods of time and neighborhoods where large numbers of people carry handguns concealed. What are otherwise unpleasant situations escalate into lethal situations. Even if there is some level of crime that is deterred people would rather have 5 additional shopliftings or vandalisms in exchange for 1 less shooting. Obviously guns can help when there is a total breakdown of policing. But that's far rarer than guns helping to lead to breakdown of policing.
The FBI is of the opinion that a gun was fired 260 times in 2011 resulting in defense of life. About 50x that number died in gun related homicides and another 70x that number in gun related suicides.
I think most urban people would agree those are about the numbers they've experienced.
I don't know what the hell you are talking about. What I do know is that you came into this thread making pretty strong claims about Enlightenment and X11 that the Enlightenment developers completely disagree with. Your name calling doesn't change anything.
And because "Slashdot" opposes a few changes, it means they oppose change in general? How does that work?
First off you are switching from asking what the change meant to disagreeing with the underlying facts./. is generally, recently, opposed to paradigm changes. I could pick others like the conservatism towards languages. You don't see a lot of/.ers embracing new language paradigms. You don't see them generally embracing new ideas in databases much. If you disagree make a positive case of a general acceptance of change.
Like the Republicans oppose change because it'll lead to sweatshops, union busters, slavery, and social Darwinists wandering the streets?
Are you now arguing the Republicans aren't a conservative party in the classic sense?
conservatives seek to preserve things as they are it is a resistance to change and progress in the messy way it often occurs in real life. Wayland is a change to Linux. Gnome3/Windows 8 is a change to the desktop paradigm towards an entirely new paradigm based on new hardware.
I was saying that this the computer manifestation of it. The political manifestation is the Republican party.
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Laptops are not left out in the cold to experience -20 temperatures for weeks at a time.
Laptops are not left out in the sun to experience 130 temperatures for weeks at a time.
Laptops don't experience the degree of shaking a car component does.
Laptops don't have a 6-10 year life expectancy.
I do wish the DMCA had provisions to punish for obviously invalid invocations of it, however.
It does. Things like fraudulent claims of ownership are punishable. The thing is this isn't obvious invalid. It is very likely invalid. There is a bar it just is much further along.
Besides generally you want people to be able to object in an official way rather easily and that's all a DMCA claim is, an on the record objection.
There is no reason in a criminal regime the courts can't offer rehabilitation and not prison. They do this today in many jurisdictions.
I agree completely with a shift towards more treatment.
I think you're being too vague measuring conservativeness only by acceptance of change.
There is a problem. The word conservative has overlapping meanings and is vague.
But if something new does have perceived utility, slashdot would embrace it. Say, the open source initiative.
Open source predates /. /. was born out of the open source initiative, i.e. the Linux movement.
You mentioned Wayland vs Linux, but remember that Linux itself was a change from a Windows-dominant world.
Well first off, I agree that /. used to not be conservative. I think this is a recent change.
On the issue of the underlying fact I don't fully agree. The Linux movement came out of the academic Unix community. Basically a way of providing a bad Unix on x86 for much less money than a good Unix would cost. /. when it started had a lot of people like me who had come to Linux from UNIX. We were interested in Linux because it gave us the opportunity to do stuff we would have liked to do on an SGI/AIX/Solaris box cheaply.
The next wave was definitely Linux enthusiasts who were moving away from Windows and were looking for a desktop operating system with capabilities well beyond what Windows 98/ME offered.
how slashdot has no problem rejecting free market capitalism or libertarianism
I wouldn't agree with you. I'd say that in general /. is pro capitalists and leans libertarian. How often do you hear calls for government takeovers the database industry for example?
This started as your claim about the US and UK. Apple does well over 40m units per quarter every quarter consistently. That's far more than 100% of the USA and UK markets combined.
Then it moved to China. Your claim was the marketshare was 4.2% for Apple falling from 6.2% while 90.1% from Android. "Apples market share is 21times smaller." IDG reported totally different numbers. Both IDG and Canalys had marketshare increasing rapidly and it being far greater than 4%. The 2nd graph pretty clearly shows what non-Samsung phones are doing globally.
As for $220 being the average, that's coming from Gigaom story not some Chinese translation.I'm not following you down the rabbit hole offtopic into average price for the Chinese market. No reputable agency puts the average price at $220 for China, not remotely. You don't agree with IDG go with any of the other dozen agencies. Pick Kanter, Canalys, Asymco.... all of them don't come near those numbers. Chinese smartphones on average are electronic poor, low connection systems running a variant of Android without all the Google services. Very much like the feature phones sold in Eastern Europe, Africa and the middle east. That's well known, widely reported and irrelevant to the main point about apple.
dvi2tty doesn't preserve semantics. It's not easy to decide which paragraphs end at a page break and which don't. MathML is needed to interface w/ Computer Algebra Systems.
Sure but we are talking e-readers here.
JPEGs don't scale.
They sort of can be magnified. Beyond that, why do they need to? You want the equation to break in fairly specific ways, that's the whole thing with multi-line equations. You don't want flow on your equations which means you can constrain size.
$79 is IDG not me.
There is no downward trend. Here is another source. I think the growth is too high but it sure ain't down: http://www.canalys.com/static/press_release/2013/canalys-press-release-070213-android-powered-third-all-mobile-phones-shipped-q4-2012.pdf
I'm sticking with IDG over Amazon. I did check the facts and went with a reputable agency.
IDG has it at 8.5% by volume up .5%. Most smartphones in China are sold at $79. If you look at revenue rather than units a more balanced image: http://image.slidesharecdn.com/201304stock-130412135737-phpapp01/95/slide-7-638.jpg?1365793092
This BTW is a global picture: http://image.slidesharecdn.com/201304stock-130412135737-phpapp01/95/slide-5-638.jpg?1365793092
do you seriously want to claim that the Chinese Developers are developing any Applications
I have no idea. But I don't particularly care the claim was about Apple's dying marketshare worldwide not the geography of its developers.
Microsoft was not a monopoly either,
Not true. Microsoft was declared to be a monopoly in operating systems.
Vertical integration is one thing that anti-trust laws address
True. If Apple were vertically integrating to establish a monopoly that would be illegal. Vertical integration is perfectly legal. General Motors is allowed to use their own parts, run their own dealerships and provide loans. Even when the government ran GM directly.
If Apple's new "radio service" is integrated into iOS, how is that different? [than Microsoft with IE]
First off the issue above. Companies are allowed to do things monopolies cannot. Companies can be much more competitive. As long as Apple is not considered a monopoly in smartphones they have a lot of freedom of action.
Microsoft at the time claimed they could avoid separating the browser component away. The argument of the court was that Microsoft used their OS monopoly to establish a browser monopoly. That is IE standards tried to control the web.
Apple would just be offering a service. They aren't attempting to control internet radio but rather just create yet another reason to buy their primary product. If they did use their hardware to try and destroy Pandora... that's bad. If they were a monopoly then it is a crime.
I think it has been about a quarter century since there has been DJs on regular radio much. By that standard there just isn't much radio left anywhere.
If we had a Justice Department that was worth a damn, Apple would be facing huge anti-trust suits just for thinking about something like this.
Apple isn't a monopoly.
Crutchy: the difference will be that apple makes a shitload more money than all the others combined :)
Tepples: Not even close; Google+Samsung alone are larger than Apple
Well first off Crutchy was talking about Spotify and Pandora. But even on this in terms of Net income Apple is still quite a bit ahead:
Apple = 41.75B
Google = 10.79B
Samsung = 18.12B
EBITDA Apple is up by less since Samsung's depreciation was huge, only $3B.
Lets be honest about Apples market share...Its a localised phenomena in US and UK,
Tell that to Japan, Germany and China. And quarter by quarter numbers seem good in many other markets too.
but today applications are developed first for Android,
Please. Fortune just put out a report on verticals. With the exception of Oil and Gas (Windows Phone) iOS or Android had the overwhelming majority with iOS having about a 2::1 lead.
Globally the difference is bigger. But the question is not phone units sold but:
a) Value to advertisers
b) Willingness to pay for digital entertainment
(a) Android is close but ultimately the value to advertisers depends on willingness to pay.
Were the concealed carry people in your uncited example the type of citizens who would qualify for a permit if they were legal? The kind of responsible concealed carry permit holder that would best be a crime deterrent tend to also be the type that wouldn't intentionally break the law no matter how strongly they may disagree with it.
Its hard to know. Very strict concealed carry laws have gotten rolled back in many states. So today most people whom you would want to have guns would qualify, at the time not so much. But I don't think the best deterrents are people with clean records. When I was growing up we had organized crime. Those guys were excellent deterrents to disorganized crime but wouldn't pass a background check.
Here you are considering a trade-off between non-violent property crimes and shootings, to be fair you must compare between more similar crimes. How many additional rapes are the people willing to accept? Muggings? Car-jackings?
I'd be curious if car-jackings don't correlate strongly with gun availability. But muggings I'd agree that's a good case were gun deterrence could work well. OTOH mugging is super easy to stop via. policing because muggers have to do so many per day.
Citizen owned guns are probably most effective somewhere between the two extremes. In a lawless state self defense becomes an arms race
Yes it does. And there ratios of criminals to non criminals matter.
and somewhere in the middle they serve as an additional layer of defense against an immediate threat while deterring overall crime-rates making the limited police resources more effective.
That's what I'm unsure of. I think you need to be pretty close to the anarchy extreme.
The ratios you quote are meaningless since the numbers are measured with wildly different methodologies and errors (see previous point).
I'd agree with the statistical problems I'd assume they are large enough differences to correct for statistical issues. Cut 50x down to only 25x or even 10x and it is still overwhelming.
And lastly and most politically incorrect of all: How many more Columbines or Sandy Hooks would you be willing to accept if we eliminated gun-related suicide entirely?
We lost 20k per year to gun related suicides. All the school shootings combined don't get you to one month's worth. More importantly we had in Arizona exactly the situation the gun advocates wanted armed people in the crowd. They couldn't do anything into the cover fire stopped (31 rounds expended). And then the armed guy closest misidentified and was getting ready to kill one of the heroes who was disarming Loughner. Obviously we don't want to draw too much from one case, but the whole armed deterrence / shooting back didn't work out so well under more or less perfect conditions.
My forefathers? Where my family lived there was no meaningful klan activity. The Democratic party was the party for Catholics and the working class while the Republican party was Protestant and merchant class. The two parties worked together and helped to build a decent society. Then the southern racists that currently run your party took the Republican party over the New England Republican party are now running the Democratic party while working with the working class interests that formed the traditional Democratic party.
The Republican party in the 1950s was a great party. And if they still existed I'd be voting for them. But they don't.
climate change -> climate denialism -> conservative politics -> gun policy
i haven't played with Texmacs in years. Might be worth trying again.
I don't know Maxima in terms of CAS. Many years ago I used Maple oriented notebooks and Mathematica ones and they integrated well. But Maxima was at that point very rough, I'd assume things have gotten much better and it makes sense for OpenSource to focus on Maxima.
It would be more useful to fix LibreOffice to produce output that looks as good as TeX.
http://writer2latex.sourceforge.net/ is active for OpenOffice
http://extensions.libreoffice.org/extension-center/writer2latex-1 is the Libre version though no one is pushing across changes.
Urban environments have experienced what permissive concealed carry (in effect though rarely in law) would look like. There have been periods of time and neighborhoods where large numbers of people carry handguns concealed. What are otherwise unpleasant situations escalate into lethal situations. Even if there is some level of crime that is deterred people would rather have 5 additional shopliftings or vandalisms in exchange for 1 less shooting. Obviously guns can help when there is a total breakdown of policing. But that's far rarer than guns helping to lead to breakdown of policing.
The FBI is of the opinion that a gun was fired 260 times in 2011 resulting in defense of life.
About 50x that number died in gun related homicides and another 70x that number in gun related suicides.
I think most urban people would agree those are about the numbers they've experienced.
Slashdot is about as conservative as HuffPo. A foot wide and a millimeter deep.
You got me on that one. I don't even know how those metaphors mix. One is saying the opposite but strong, and the other is saying not much commitment.
Just answer anyone with an anti-religion rant and see what happens. It doesn't matter WHAT you answer with.
I wouldn't accuse /. of being pro-religion
I don't know what the hell you are talking about. What I do know is that you came into this thread making pretty strong claims about Enlightenment and X11 that the Enlightenment developers completely disagree with. Your name calling doesn't change anything.
And because "Slashdot" opposes a few changes, it means they oppose change in general? How does that work?
First off you are switching from asking what the change meant to disagreeing with the underlying facts. /. is generally, recently, opposed to paradigm changes. I could pick others like the conservatism towards languages. You don't see a lot of /.ers embracing new language paradigms. You don't see them generally embracing new ideas in databases much. If you disagree make a positive case of a general acceptance of change.
Like the Republicans oppose change because it'll lead to sweatshops, union busters, slavery, and social Darwinists wandering the streets?
Are you now arguing the Republicans aren't a conservative party in the classic sense?
conservatives seek to preserve things as they are it is a resistance to change and progress in the messy way it often occurs in real life. Wayland is a change to Linux. Gnome3/Windows 8 is a change to the desktop paradigm towards an entirely new paradigm based on new hardware.
I was saying that this the computer manifestation of it. The political manifestation is the Republican party.