I passed the FAA Private Pilot exam when i was 12. I'm 16 now...all things considered i should have my drivers licens (you need to be 16 in Virginia), but i'm lazy. I can't get my piolots license until i'm 17 but so what. The point is that from watching other drivers apparantly moving on 2 axis is too much trouble for them. Add the 3rd demention and the fact that if you crash you WILL die, i don't believe most people want to deal with it, and rightly the vast majority of people shouldn't be trusted to fly.
my father also is a commercial airline captain so if there is one thing i know it's flying. It's not an incredibly easy thing to do.
I can understand wanting to keep a handle on illegal imigration, however wanting to further the presteige of HK in technology areas at the expense of the freedom of the citizens is evil. Of course it wasn't all that long ago that Hong Kong was given back to the socialist chinese government, so i guess somthing so 1984ish is too be expected. i'l be damned if i'll ever be forced into somthing like this in my life time however.
of huamn events it becomes necissary to say "FUCK YOU" to the new world order, but the need to kill people is not great enough, nor would it have enough support should we try global revolution, the people are entitled to tell the opressors what they think.
we hold these truths to be self evident, that all nerds are created equal, that they are endowed by Ken Thompson with certain inaliable rights, among these are Bandwidth, Source Code, and the persuite of Information. To secure these rights open standard are instidutd among Men, deriving their just powers from the concent of the hackers, That wheen ever any form of New World Order becomes destructive and/or fucking stupuid beyond belife, it is the right of the people to alter, abolish, or just fucking ignore it, and to institute a new Standard, laying its foundation on such on such principals and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likley to effect their Freedom To Use Cool Stuff and Ability To Stand Up For The Deffinition Of "Hacker".
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Perhaps if UUNet and other companies owning large sections of backbone just went black for like, a year then :
A) All the AOL subscirbers would forget to resubscribe and the internet would be cool again
B) they wouldn't bother to make laws to regulate somthing that didn't actualy exist anymore
C) I might get moderated above 1 for a change
i don't know about anyone else...
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but i know i'm still pumped from using the mouse...
we should all get our local irish pub's (or comprable establishmnet) bar tender to pour it in the head of everyone's Guiness instead of the shamrock! everyone would see it, but most people would loose it anyway. the people that don't get a free Guiness, just like when you drink the shamrock to the bottom...either way the drinker of the beverage wins!
As if selling nuclear secrets to China, murder innoncent people in Texas and where ever Ruby Ridge is, campaign fundraising fraud, and selling out America to the UN and other such evil socialist political conlomerates bent on subjegating the human race wasnn't enoungh, NOW WE CAN BE CERTAIN THE CLINTON ADMINISTRATION IS EVIL!!! Anyone against Napster on anything other than technical issues is a fuck head. i hope the Slashdot readership remembers this in the upcomming election....
Isn't this the purpose of Slashdot? to preach Linux-ism and shun all who do not bow to the all-mighty power of Tux?
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my previouse experiance with posting is that everyone hates me. i feel some what inclined to say somthing anyway.
Both my parents are Episcipal or how ever it's spelled, as were my mothers parents and my father's father. my dad's mom is a Catholic. I was raised Episcipal until i was about 10. at which time, due to the death of my mother's parents i came to the conclusion that God obviously doesn't give a shit, so why should i waste my time going to church. Incidentyl, i had taken up BASIC around this time.
When i was 12 i started messing with UNIX(FreeBSD) via an ISP shell account. When i was 13 i started to learn C and installed a copy of RedHat 4.1 on my pc. At this time, i not only had not many friends, was depressed from the earlier events described, and spent all my time writing programmes and hating god, i got into the whole gothic thing. Mostly 'cause of this girl i know, who has been my best friend since she moved here at that time. she got me into it. i started doing the spell stuff.
I was never a "satanist" per ce, as Satan is a creation of the christians. Not only that, but since he seams to have almost god-like powers, he could be considered a minor god. this would make christianity a polythestic religion, as you can't have god without satan, and vise versa. Anyway, everybod thought i was. not that i really cared.
I eventualy gave up on the whole magick thing. I don't suppose i'm REALLY an atheist, but i have no real faith in either the christian/jewish/islahmic god and/or satan and/or any other religion's head dude.
AS the point has come up in other peoples posts, that there are not that many people in the hacker community that actualy believe in say, wicca as a religion, but mainly as a game. this is better said as most people,not just hackers. there are many people at my highschool who claim to be wiccan. these people don't really believe it, they just say it 'cause it's like, cool. it's also apparantly cool for chicks to say they are bi at this school too, not that there is anything wrong with being bi, but hey, what ever.
the mainstream religions people follow because most of them TRUELY believe in . some follow it because their parents will spank them if they don't watch Billy Grahm on TV or what not. However, alot of people pick an "alternative" religion just to be different. trying to be different undermines all the people who just are. it's not fair.
I have been involved in many mach religions as well: Church Of The Fluffy Pine Apple, started by my friend Matt King over a moldy pine apple discovered in his refridgerator; The Igloo Of The King Penguin, started by my self (last count of membership was 200 or some); and as of late, one worshiping former Smashing Pumpkins bass player D'Arcy. this is my favorite.
I'm not sure if my comments really matter to anyone, but hey, again, just my $.02. The point is just being, it's not the just nerd types who join these weird religions and such. it's alot of people just looking for attention, and then the handfull of true believers. My friends are. I was once. I play the games too, that's just for fun (M:TG, AD&D, Zork, ADVENT, etc), and i never let it influence my own personal belifes. it's just a game. rarely is actulay based on anything except say, Richard Garfield's spiffy fantasy universe (although, i'd say ever since maybe, Ice Age, the plot as really lost any cool factor.).
X-Windows isn't installed on my computer for the fact it doesn't exist. this may sound like nit-picking but it really pisses me off that people put the s there. it's just wrong. Slashdot should use it's massive power as the center of propaganda in the free software world to like, make people stop this. it's just wrong
First of all, who gives a flying fuck if he's eating lamb chops for dinner or what ever. i bet nobody except him and the person on the other end of the "crackaling cell phone". -- no doubt his next piece will be on Digital PCS or somthing. again, who cares?
and unless i'm totaly out of it, linux wasn't written in a basement, rather a closet of some type. atleast i remeber reading somthing about this about 2 years ago.
UNIX on the other hand, was written by professionals. even the portly old types with suspenders and plaid shirts and stuff like the guru on Dilbert. I'm not sure if Ken or Dennis smoke pipes though. that's not the point either though. they are highly trained professionals that went to real schools and worked for a real company. and who else would know more about monopoly domination than people who worked for AT&T before the evil socialist government got into it and increased thenumbers of telemarketers like, 16 fold. If you ask me, i think MS uses UNIX not only because it's better, but because they find a kindred spirit with the mother company of it all...
the last user to log off from a terminal, if connected by some sort of serial line, or a packet-switched network such as Tymnet or Datapack or Telenet, IF they do not logoff, and rather just terminate their connection (turn off their terminal, unplug the cable, whatever), they stay logged in, and the next person to connect will drop into their account.
atleast this is what i've heard....not like *I* would *EVER* try to h4x0r a VAX...
As i am probably one of the youngest slashdotters (i am 15 now), i have a more unique insight i blieve. anyway, i learnd BASIC when i was 7. i look back now and hate my self for it, but what ever. i started messing with C when i was about 13, and Unix (FreeBSD 2.2.2) when i was 12. command line GCC kept my interst, of course, i don't play games, i didn't play games, and infact, i don't like games...i don't really have any friends either, and the ones i do use FreeBSD, too.
my point basically is, if they really think that it's something they want to do then you shouldn't really watter it down with somthing sick. get them DJGPP or somthing (DOS port of the GNU tools we all know and love) and get them the book "Practicle C++" from Que (the O'Reilly title isn't very good, sorry to say. the C version is OK though). it really is an excellent book and is kept fairly environment-neutral despite the autor's affection for Visual Workshop or what ever it's called.
Even if they wanted to, they can't. Actualy, i suppose they could but they require everything they buy to be POSIX Certified -- note that word. Certified is not the same thing as compliant. Berkeley UNIX and Linux-based GNU are POSIX complaint for the most part, but WindowsNT is certifed. So is Irix, Solaris, SunOS, UNICOS, etc. I'm sure if they wanted to do the paper work they could change the requirmnet, but this is the government we're talking about -- anything usful will be shreded before it gets approved.
A) I've been a member of the DNRC for over 4 years. B) I'm not taking this to an absurd conclusion C) All BSD users are NOT hippies (off topic, but i though i should just make this point as well) D) I don't care about those kids either. I don't know them, and even if i did i seriously doubt i'd give half a damn. E) Guns are good. everyone should be issued an AK-47 and be enlisted in a militia like Switzerland. Standing armies should be abolished, and so should the UN, NATA, etc. F) I'll defend these positions as long as i need to.
from what i have read, it looks like Ted Turner is in on this, too. If this is true, then it's worse than many of us can imagine. That man is a mega-socialist. If a man like him (even worse than Bill Clinton, Bill Gates, or FDR(perhaps even all of their evil combined)) controls all the information that such a large group of humans are spoon fed, only bad can come from it. Ask most people who invented the internet, and they'll tell you Al Gore or Microsoft. They are both stupid enough to believe this, AND they get it all the time from CNN and MSNBC and the like. Personaly, i believe FOX news to be the only decent source of information other than Segfault. Anyway, that's not the point. Ever since the advent of the web when all sorts of loosers started infesting networks that should be purly UNIX, purly informational, and purly usful, it has oppend up an extreamly large segment of the population to extramly large amounts of information.
While in some cases this can be a good thing (spiffy looking webpages like linux.com could convince just about anyone other than me that Linux-based GNU systems must kick seriouse ass), this also has a dark side that can be exploited. If i can convince a highschool freshman that ingesting 16M HCl (this is more powerful than the standard industrial molarity of 12 for Hydrochloric Acid) will cure ulcers, then imageing what i can do with spiffy graphics and a picture of a penguin?
As there is a large tendency for Slashdot readers to be libritarian, i'm sure you can see why this is bad -- use the incredible infulence of web web, coupled with compleate control over that content, and you have a big blob of brainwashed bufoons doing the bidding of The Council on Forign Relations, UN, NSA and the Federal Beauro of Incineration. Next Stop -- One World Government.
This is the sort of thing we need to fight. Forget microsoft and their half-ass toy OS. If little Johnny wants to play Unreal all day and night, let him. It isn't going to make open source Unicies and Linux-based GNU any better to have those people using it. All it's going to do is have little johnny begging someone to help him set up NATd so he can play Unreal on his Windows2000 machine in the other room. We should instead focus on keeping the flow of information free.
People who say that UNIX should die or that the Linux distrbutions are going to balanize might have a bit of a good idea. However, not on issues of compatibility. If we keep developing around open standards like POSIX(sort of), TCP/IP, etc, but keep the products differne, they can still communicate but no one controlls it all. Fragmenting stuff might make us look like an unrooly mob to everone else, but as long as we can still communicate, what does it matter? Which is more important? LOOKING like an unrooly mob, or BEING a cog in the global empire of death?
Of course, you probably all think i'm nuts, but consider this: In Australia and the UK, they are taking away the guns of the people. They have started doing that in Canada, too, and are making the move on it here in the USA. do you REALLY think they CARE about those colombine kids? NO!! they just want to use them to serve their communist left-wing aggenda to make people give up their guns. You know, in the 1930's a certain Autrain came to power in Germany. His party commonly called Nazi for National Socialists established gun control, and then cesnored the press. Our governments are trying to push gun control on us now, and if these people are allowed to continue on this path, we are going to get some heavy censorship, too.
NOT GOOD!! "Power comes from the barral of a gun" -- some Chinese genral "Firearms are second only to the constitution in importance. They are the people's liberty's teeth." -- Gorege Washington it's dark, i can't see to type so wel.. please forgive that.
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I passed the FAA Private Pilot exam when i was 12. I'm 16 now...all things considered i should have my drivers licens (you need to be 16 in Virginia), but i'm lazy. I can't get my piolots license until i'm 17 but so what. The point is that from watching other drivers apparantly moving on 2 axis is too much trouble for them. Add the 3rd demention and the fact that if you crash you WILL die, i don't believe most people want to deal with it, and rightly the vast majority of people shouldn't be trusted to fly.
my father also is a commercial airline captain so if there is one thing i know it's flying. It's not an incredibly easy thing to do.
I can understand wanting to keep a handle on illegal imigration, however wanting to further the presteige of HK in technology areas at the expense of the freedom of the citizens is evil. Of course it wasn't all that long ago that Hong Kong was given back to the socialist chinese government, so i guess somthing so 1984ish is too be expected. i'l be damned if i'll ever be forced into somthing like this in my life time however.
Ventura for president
Alan Cox
Linus Torvalds
Miguel de Icanza
...if only just to eliminate FreeBSD to make way for linux to get more marketshare or what not...freedom of choice...as long as you choose Debian...
FreeBSD is the best.
of huamn events it becomes necissary to say "FUCK YOU" to the new world order, but the need to kill people is not great enough, nor would it have enough support should we try global revolution, the people are entitled to tell the opressors what they think.
we hold these truths to be self evident, that all nerds are created equal, that they are endowed by Ken Thompson with certain inaliable rights, among these are Bandwidth, Source Code, and the persuite of Information. To secure these rights open standard are instidutd among Men, deriving their just powers from the concent of the hackers, That wheen ever any form of New World Order becomes destructive and/or fucking stupuid beyond belife, it is the right of the people to alter, abolish, or just fucking ignore it, and to institute a new Standard, laying its foundation on such on such principals and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likley to effect their Freedom To Use Cool Stuff and Ability To Stand Up For The Deffinition Of "Hacker".
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you kill all the lawyers
Perhaps if UUNet and other companies owning large sections of backbone just went black for like, a year then :
A) All the AOL subscirbers would forget to resubscribe and the internet would be cool again
B) they wouldn't bother to make laws to regulate somthing that didn't actualy exist anymore
C) I might get moderated above 1 for a change
but i know i'm still pumped from using the mouse...
not quite as good as AI, artificial gravity, and interplanetary star ships, but hey, what ever.
so i can use the social security number obtained off of Kurt Cobain's death certificate to skip the country with the money
we should all get our local irish pub's (or comprable establishmnet) bar tender to pour it in the head of everyone's Guiness instead of the shamrock! everyone would see it, but most people would loose it anyway. the people that don't get a free Guiness, just like when you drink the shamrock to the bottom...either way the drinker of the beverage wins!
who wanted a date this time?
Isn't this the purpose of Slashdot? to preach Linux-ism and shun all who do not bow to the all-mighty power of Tux?
Both my parents are Episcipal or how ever it's spelled, as were my mothers parents and my father's father. my dad's mom is a Catholic. I was raised Episcipal until i was about 10. at which time, due to the death of my mother's parents i came to the conclusion that God obviously doesn't give a shit, so why should i waste my time going to church. Incidentyl, i had taken up BASIC around this time.
When i was 12 i started messing with UNIX(FreeBSD) via an ISP shell account. When i was 13 i started to learn C and installed a copy of RedHat 4.1 on my pc. At this time, i not only had not many friends, was depressed from the earlier events described, and spent all my time writing programmes and hating god, i got into the whole gothic thing. Mostly 'cause of this girl i know, who has been my best friend since she moved here at that time. she got me into it. i started doing the spell stuff.
I was never a "satanist" per ce, as Satan is a creation of the christians. Not only that, but since he seams to have almost god-like powers, he could be considered a minor god. this would make christianity a polythestic religion, as you can't have god without satan, and vise versa. Anyway, everybod thought i was. not that i really cared.
I eventualy gave up on the whole magick thing. I don't suppose i'm REALLY an atheist, but i have no real faith in either the christian/jewish/islahmic god and/or satan and/or any other religion's head dude.
AS the point has come up in other peoples posts, that there are not that many people in the hacker community that actualy believe in say, wicca as a religion, but mainly as a game. this is better said as most people ,not just hackers. there are many people at my highschool who claim to be wiccan. these people don't really believe it, they just say it 'cause it's like, cool. it's also apparantly cool for chicks to say they are bi at this school too, not that there is anything wrong with being bi, but hey, what ever.
the mainstream religions people follow because most of them TRUELY believe in . some follow it because their parents will spank them if they don't watch Billy Grahm on TV or what not. However, alot of people pick an "alternative" religion just to be different. trying to be different undermines all the people who just are. it's not fair.
I have been involved in many mach religions as well: Church Of The Fluffy Pine Apple, started by my friend Matt King over a moldy pine apple discovered in his refridgerator; The Igloo Of The King Penguin, started by my self (last count of membership was 200 or some); and as of late, one worshiping former Smashing Pumpkins bass player D'Arcy. this is my favorite.
I'm not sure if my comments really matter to anyone, but hey, again, just my $.02. The point is just being, it's not the just nerd types who join these weird religions and such. it's alot of people just looking for attention, and then the handfull of true believers. My friends are. I was once. I play the games too, that's just for fun (M:TG, AD&D, Zork, ADVENT, etc), and i never let it influence my own personal belifes. it's just a game. rarely is actulay based on anything except say, Richard Garfield's spiffy fantasy universe (although, i'd say ever since maybe, Ice Age, the plot as really lost any cool factor.).
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X-Windows isn't installed on my computer for the fact it doesn't exist. this may sound like nit-picking but it really pisses me off that people put the s there. it's just wrong. Slashdot should use it's massive power as the center of propaganda in the free software world to like, make people stop this. it's just wrong
and unless i'm totaly out of it, linux wasn't written in a basement, rather a closet of some type. atleast i remeber reading somthing about this about 2 years ago.
UNIX on the other hand, was written by professionals. even the portly old types with suspenders and plaid shirts and stuff like the guru on Dilbert. I'm not sure if Ken or Dennis smoke pipes though. that's not the point either though. they are highly trained professionals that went to real schools and worked for a real company. and who else would know more about monopoly domination than people who worked for AT&T before the evil socialist government got into it and increased thenumbers of telemarketers like, 16 fold. If you ask me, i think MS uses UNIX not only because it's better, but because they find a kindred spirit with the mother company of it all...
atleast this is what i've heard....not like *I* would *EVER* try to h4x0r a VAX...
VAX 11/750 with 3BSD, Vi, and troff would be my natual selection, but i'm a weirdo that way.
As i am probably one of the youngest slashdotters (i am 15 now), i have a more unique insight i blieve. anyway, i learnd BASIC when i was 7. i look back now and hate my self for it, but what ever. i started messing with C when i was about 13, and Unix (FreeBSD 2.2.2) when i was 12. command line GCC kept my interst, of course, i don't play games, i didn't play games, and infact, i don't like games...i don't really have any friends either, and the ones i do use FreeBSD, too.
my point basically is, if they really think that it's something they want to do then you shouldn't really watter it down with somthing sick. get them DJGPP or somthing (DOS port of the GNU tools we all know and love) and get them the book "Practicle C++" from Que (the O'Reilly title isn't very good, sorry to say. the C version is OK though). it really is an excellent book and is kept fairly environment-neutral despite the autor's affection for Visual Workshop or what ever it's called.
just my $0.02
that just about sums it up. those people are nuts, especialy Rev. Don in comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc
Even if they wanted to, they can't. Actualy, i suppose they could but they require everything they buy to be POSIX Certified -- note that word. Certified is not the same thing as compliant. Berkeley UNIX and Linux-based GNU are POSIX complaint for the most part, but WindowsNT is certifed. So is Irix, Solaris, SunOS, UNICOS, etc. I'm sure if they wanted to do the paper work they could change the requirmnet, but this is the government we're talking about -- anything usful will be shreded before it gets approved.
A) I've been a member of the DNRC for over 4 years.
B) I'm not taking this to an absurd conclusion
C) All BSD users are NOT hippies (off topic, but i though i should just make this point as well)
D) I don't care about those kids either. I don't know them, and even if i did i seriously doubt i'd give half a damn.
E) Guns are good. everyone should be issued an AK-47 and be enlisted in a militia like Switzerland. Standing armies should be abolished, and so should the UN, NATA, etc.
F) I'll defend these positions as long as i need to.
from what i have read, it looks like Ted Turner is in on this, too. If this is true, then it's worse than many of us can imagine. That man is a mega-socialist. If a man like him (even worse than Bill Clinton, Bill Gates, or FDR(perhaps even all of their evil combined)) controls all the information that such a large group of humans are spoon fed, only bad can come from it. Ask most people who invented the internet, and they'll tell you Al Gore or Microsoft. They are both stupid enough to believe this, AND they get it all the time from CNN and MSNBC and the like. Personaly, i believe FOX news to be the only decent source of information other than Segfault. Anyway, that's not the point. Ever since the advent of the web when all sorts of loosers started infesting networks that should be purly UNIX, purly informational, and purly usful, it has oppend up an extreamly large segment of the population to extramly large amounts of information.
While in some cases this can be a good thing (spiffy looking webpages like linux.com could convince just about anyone other than me that Linux-based GNU systems must kick seriouse ass), this also has a dark side that can be exploited. If i can convince a highschool freshman that ingesting 16M HCl (this is more powerful than the standard industrial molarity of 12 for Hydrochloric Acid) will cure ulcers, then imageing what i can do with spiffy graphics and a picture of a penguin?
As there is a large tendency for Slashdot readers to be libritarian, i'm sure you can see why this is bad -- use the incredible infulence of web web, coupled with compleate control over that content, and you have a big blob of brainwashed bufoons doing the bidding of The Council on Forign Relations, UN, NSA and the Federal Beauro of Incineration. Next Stop -- One World Government.
This is the sort of thing we need to fight. Forget microsoft and their half-ass toy OS. If little Johnny wants to play Unreal all day and night, let him. It isn't going to make open source Unicies and Linux-based GNU any better to have those people using it. All it's going to do is have little johnny begging someone to help him set up NATd so he can play Unreal on his Windows2000 machine in the other room. We should instead focus on keeping the flow of information free.
People who say that UNIX should die or that the Linux distrbutions are going to balanize might have a bit of a good idea. However, not on issues of compatibility. If we keep developing around open standards like POSIX(sort of), TCP/IP, etc, but keep the products differne, they can still communicate but no one controlls it all. Fragmenting stuff might make us look like an unrooly mob to everone else, but as long as we can still communicate, what does it matter? Which is more important? LOOKING like an unrooly mob, or BEING a cog in the global empire of death?
Of course, you probably all think i'm nuts, but consider this: In Australia and the UK, they are taking away the guns of the people. They have started doing that in Canada, too, and are making the move on it here in the USA. do you REALLY think they CARE about those colombine kids? NO!! they just want to use them to serve their communist left-wing aggenda to make people give up their guns. You know, in the 1930's a certain Autrain came to power in Germany. His party commonly called Nazi for National Socialists established gun control, and then cesnored the press. Our governments are trying to push gun control on us now, and if these people are allowed to continue on this path, we are going to get some heavy censorship, too.
NOT GOOD!!
"Power comes from the barral of a gun"
-- some Chinese genral
"Firearms are second only to the constitution in importance. They are the people's liberty's teeth."
-- Gorege Washington
it's dark, i can't see to type so wel.. please forgive that.