Do you think the MAPS or UDP people are any different? They routinely heckle people who threaten them with lawsuits.
I can't dispute your statement about MAPS heckling, but yes, MAPS is very different. Their overall attitude is one of helpfulness, the sense that we're all in this together. ORBS, on the other hand, feels that simply by ridiculing everyone who doesn't think like they do, they'll accomplish their goal.
Case in point, MAPS maintains an active how-to-fix-it page. (MAPS TSI) ORBS just links to MAPS TSI, while pointing out why MAPS is "doing it wrong."
No thanks, ORBS
I still find it unconscionable that they publish a spammer's wet dream, and call themselves anti-spam.
You probably got reported to ORBS because someone routed spam through your open relay. I've been there -- it sucks to know you are part of the problem, but in the end they're right.
Nope, I got reported to ORBS by spamcop.net because someone spammed a mailing list I run, and one of my subscribers ran the spam (with incomplete headers) through spamcop. As it turned out, I did have relay_local_from enabled on that box. So I fixed it. Had the notice come from MAPS, I'd have though "Damn, I'm part of the problem." But everything about ORBS makes my skin crawl.
Another list called ORBS actively test servers for relaying. It is much more controversial because it proactively adds servers whether they have been used to send spam or not.
They are also a spammer's wet dream, since they publish a list of long-time open relays. Note that this is different than a go/nogo on a DNS query, they actually put a list of open relays on the net
It doesn't help that ORBS is a bunch of arrogant bastards, either. How much cooperation can you expect with statements like this:
Note - any E-mail message sent to any ORBS.org contact address or to any of our network service providers may be posted in whole or in part to various anti-spam forums, depending on the abusiveness or humour value of the message. ANY message that mentions the words "lawyer" or related terms in particular will very likely be posted.
MAPS is doing things right, with their various efforts (RBL, DUL, and RSS). IMHO, ORBS part of the reason that admins don't cooperate with anti-spam efforts. My initial reaction when I got a notification from ORBS was "Fsck off!" Yes, they pointed out a real problem with a server that I run, but they did it in the worst way possible.
The article, of course, had no useful information. The DVD-Audio spec is just that, DVD discs with 24/96 audio. This requires a new player, even if you already have a DVD player, it doesn't know about the audio-only format.
The Sony spec, however, is very cool. My understanding is that it's a ~3MHz 1-bit delta-sigma encoding, and that's on the second layer. The first layer is good old CDDA, so the "Super" discs will play in existing players, but the new expensive player will be able to read the high-quality layer. It's the better standard, and it has the backward compatibility hook to gain acceptance.
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Do you think the MAPS or UDP people are any different? They routinely heckle people who threaten them with lawsuits.
I can't dispute your statement about MAPS heckling, but yes, MAPS is very different. Their overall attitude is one of helpfulness, the sense that we're all in this together. ORBS, on the other hand, feels that simply by ridiculing everyone who doesn't think like they do, they'll accomplish their goal.
Case in point, MAPS maintains an active how-to-fix-it page. (MAPS TSI) ORBS just links to MAPS TSI, while pointing out why MAPS is "doing it wrong."
No thanks, ORBS
I still find it unconscionable that they publish a spammer's wet dream, and call themselves anti-spam.
You probably got reported to ORBS because someone routed spam through your open relay. I've been there -- it sucks to know you are part of the problem, but in the end they're right.
Nope, I got reported to ORBS by spamcop.net because someone spammed a mailing list I run, and one of my subscribers ran the spam (with incomplete headers) through spamcop. As it turned out, I did have relay_local_from enabled on that box. So I fixed it. Had the notice come from MAPS, I'd have though "Damn, I'm part of the problem." But everything about ORBS makes my skin crawl.
Another list called ORBS actively test servers for relaying. It is much more controversial because it proactively adds servers whether they have been used to send spam or not.
They are also a spammer's wet dream, since they publish a list of long-time open relays. Note that this is different than a go/nogo on a DNS query, they actually put a list of open relays on the net
It doesn't help that ORBS is a bunch of arrogant bastards, either. How much cooperation can you expect with statements like this:
Note - any E-mail message sent to any ORBS.org contact address or to any of our
network service providers may be posted in whole or in part to various anti-spam forums, depending on the abusiveness or humour
value of the message. ANY message that mentions the words "lawyer" or related terms in particular will very likely be posted.
MAPS is doing things right, with their various efforts (RBL, DUL, and RSS). IMHO, ORBS part of the reason that admins don't cooperate with anti-spam efforts. My initial reaction when I got a notification from ORBS was "Fsck off!" Yes, they pointed out a real problem with a server that I run, but they did it in the worst way possible.
The article, of course, had no useful information. The DVD-Audio spec is just that, DVD discs with 24/96 audio. This requires a new player, even if you already have a DVD player, it doesn't know about the audio-only format.
The Sony spec, however, is very cool. My understanding is that it's a ~3MHz 1-bit delta-sigma encoding, and that's on the second layer. The first layer is good old CDDA, so the "Super" discs will play in existing players, but the new expensive player will be able to read the high-quality layer. It's the better standard, and it has the backward compatibility hook to gain acceptance.