I would think that it's more important to prove you can vote than show an id to buy a tracfone. Obviously, Chuckie doesn't.
jerry
When you say it out loud, it becomes even more absurd. You do not have to show ID or prove citizenship to vote, but you have to show ID to buy a phone. This scenario is absolutely ridiculous. What's next, showing ID to buy a computer since that device can be used to transmit information? Why stop there? How about walkie talkies? Why not CB radios too?
Are we even a free society anymore if I am required to show ID to purchase something that is not unreasonably dangerous? We, the citizenry, have to put our foot down and say enough. It starts small and is done over time so it doesnt seem like such a big deal. Before you know it, the constitution will be meaningless because we will have to protect you from the scary people.
I didnt believe this was real, so I went to my local t-mobile retail location and bought a prepaid phone and 10 mins of airtime. They would not let me buy it without showing ID and this bill supposedly hasnt passed yet. It is very real. Apparently this carrier is already complying before the law has passed.
Unfortunately, not having to show ID or even prove you are a citizen to vote in a U.S. election is the direct result of a system that allows career politicians. Currently, we have representatives in congress that put the integrity of our nation's election process second to their own self interest, which is treasonous IMHO.
It is definitely time to remove the statute that allows these people to live in congress forever. 1 term limit sounds good to me.
Maybe we should start requiring a competency pre-test for Congressional candidates before the debates can even begin, involving the constitution and hypothetical situations. Nothing serious, just a test of what do you vote for in such and such case according to the constitution. If they cannot pass a basic skills test regarding the most important document in our country, how in the hell can they expected to govern properly?
Clearly, not enough people watch c-span; therefore, I would be happy to debate little Chuckie on American idol or dancing with the idiots, maybe then people would listen.
I don't share the view of the extremists, but how does DRAWING the Prophet Mohammad hurt anyone?
It offends their religious sensibilities. I'll never understand why respecting someone else's religious views (or lack there of) is such a bad thing?
Everybody Draw Mohammed Day is only being done to prove those Muslims who who are offended by it. Disrespecting their religious views just to get a rise out of them is counterproductive, and when someone gets hurt or killed those who are on the receiving end of the violence will act as though they are surprised by it.
Don't poke a bear with a stick - it never ends well.
I would argue the exact opposite. Disrespecting religious views is extremely productive, especially for those in the religion who now get to actually hear an opposing argument.
At this point in my old age, I am glad people make fun of religions. Nobody writing on this board, nor any one in any Crapistan or anywhere for that matter, knows God or what he/she/they want. It is actually healthier for society to expose the fallacies in every religion via jokes than outright crusades unless you want to fight a real war. I would rather win with logic than have to slaughter 1 billion people, but hey, maybe you prefer the former. Sure the poking the bear method may cause temporary pain and/or problems, but in the long run, it is better for society when people are allowed to think--this is a reason why the internet is so important because it can help remove all of the bullshit that people and cultures are brainwashed with by their government, families, friends, or culture. This is precisely why the Chinese government does not want people to be able to read everything that is posted on the Internet. It is hard to lie to me when I have google and 40,000 sources telling me the exact opposite of the crap you are telling me.
I was raised Catholic and I thank god that people have been allowed to talk about how fucking ridiculous some of the leaders are portrayed in Christianity, from the pope to the bishop to the priest to mary getting pregnant without sex to a woman from a rib to adam and eve to parents not letting their kids go to the doctor because god will fix them. Its the same reason you shouldn't respect someones culture or norms if their norms hurt the progress of society. At one point in time, people thought many ridiculous things that were not true and we had to expose them. Christianity was and is full of shit too; however, they are tolerant in that they wont kill you if you draw a picture of Jesus or Mary or whoever. Instead, they tell you that you will rot in hell if you dont take Jesus into your heart, and they mean it.
If you simply cannot have a cartoon drawn of your leader or you will commit acts of violence or whatever most normal people would consider evil, what does that say about the validity of your belief system?
I'd say it means it's completely worthless and you have no business living where there is civilization--look at the root of that word, civil, civilized, civility. I am so tired of the fairy tale stories that drive the people to commit insane acts. What if I told you that you couldnt draw a picture of Snow White or Pinocchio because if you did, you would pay for your act of blasphemy with your life? You would call me a crazy person. So why I ask do you respect this joke of a fairy tale religion? Because so many people believe in the mumbo jumbo, or because you are scared?
Religion is a disease and/or a mental disorder and should be treated as such. Some can be treated with discussion, some will be treated with evolution and they will simply perish. In the long run, Pinocchio isnt going to fix your problems, you are going to have to fix your problems. I wish the writers at comedy central didnt back down from the threats, somebody needs to take a stand or ignorance will win.
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Ok. This new "law" would simply create a new black market for thieves. Increasing their profit streams.
Now instead of a walmart tracphone. you buy a "clean" prepaid phone from vito that is registered to a 14 year old cheerleader in the hamptons.
Honestly, are out lawmakers simply a bunch of retarded old idiots? Did they not think of this?
To answer your question:
YES, our lawmakers are simply a bunch of retarded old idiots unfortunately.
They actually believe this increases safety when it does nothing of the sort.
I would think that it's more important to prove you can vote than show an id to buy a tracfone. Obviously, Chuckie doesn't. jerry
When you say it out loud, it becomes even more absurd. You do not have to show ID or prove citizenship to vote, but you have to show ID to buy a phone. This scenario is absolutely ridiculous. What's next, showing ID to buy a computer since that device can be used to transmit information? Why stop there? How about walkie talkies? Why not CB radios too?
Are we even a free society anymore if I am required to show ID to purchase something that is not unreasonably dangerous? We, the citizenry, have to put our foot down and say enough. It starts small and is done over time so it doesnt seem like such a big deal. Before you know it, the constitution will be meaningless because we will have to protect you from the scary people.
I didnt believe this was real, so I went to my local t-mobile retail location and bought a prepaid phone and 10 mins of airtime. They would not let me buy it without showing ID and this bill supposedly hasnt passed yet. It is very real. Apparently this carrier is already complying before the law has passed.
Unfortunately, not having to show ID or even prove you are a citizen to vote in a U.S. election is the direct result of a system that allows career politicians. Currently, we have representatives in congress that put the integrity of our nation's election process second to their own self interest, which is treasonous IMHO.
It is definitely time to remove the statute that allows these people to live in congress forever. 1 term limit sounds good to me.
Maybe we should start requiring a competency pre-test for Congressional candidates before the debates can even begin, involving the constitution and hypothetical situations. Nothing serious, just a test of what do you vote for in such and such case according to the constitution. If they cannot pass a basic skills test regarding the most important document in our country, how in the hell can they expected to govern properly?
Clearly, not enough people watch c-span; therefore, I would be happy to debate little Chuckie on American idol or dancing with the idiots, maybe then people would listen.
I don't share the view of the extremists, but how does DRAWING the Prophet Mohammad hurt anyone?
It offends their religious sensibilities. I'll never understand why respecting someone else's religious views (or lack there of) is such a bad thing? Everybody Draw Mohammed Day is only being done to prove those Muslims who who are offended by it. Disrespecting their religious views just to get a rise out of them is counterproductive, and when someone gets hurt or killed those who are on the receiving end of the violence will act as though they are surprised by it. Don't poke a bear with a stick - it never ends well.
I would argue the exact opposite. Disrespecting religious views is extremely productive, especially for those in the religion who now get to actually hear an opposing argument.
At this point in my old age, I am glad people make fun of religions. Nobody writing on this board, nor any one in any Crapistan or anywhere for that matter, knows God or what he/she/they want. It is actually healthier for society to expose the fallacies in every religion via jokes than outright crusades unless you want to fight a real war. I would rather win with logic than have to slaughter 1 billion people, but hey, maybe you prefer the former. Sure the poking the bear method may cause temporary pain and/or problems, but in the long run, it is better for society when people are allowed to think--this is a reason why the internet is so important because it can help remove all of the bullshit that people and cultures are brainwashed with by their government, families, friends, or culture. This is precisely why the Chinese government does not want people to be able to read everything that is posted on the Internet. It is hard to lie to me when I have google and 40,000 sources telling me the exact opposite of the crap you are telling me.
I was raised Catholic and I thank god that people have been allowed to talk about how fucking ridiculous some of the leaders are portrayed in Christianity, from the pope to the bishop to the priest to mary getting pregnant without sex to a woman from a rib to adam and eve to parents not letting their kids go to the doctor because god will fix them. Its the same reason you shouldn't respect someones culture or norms if their norms hurt the progress of society. At one point in time, people thought many ridiculous things that were not true and we had to expose them. Christianity was and is full of shit too; however, they are tolerant in that they wont kill you if you draw a picture of Jesus or Mary or whoever. Instead, they tell you that you will rot in hell if you dont take Jesus into your heart, and they mean it.
If you simply cannot have a cartoon drawn of your leader or you will commit acts of violence or whatever most normal people would consider evil, what does that say about the validity of your belief system?
I'd say it means it's completely worthless and you have no business living where there is civilization--look at the root of that word, civil, civilized, civility. I am so tired of the fairy tale stories that drive the people to commit insane acts. What if I told you that you couldnt draw a picture of Snow White or Pinocchio because if you did, you would pay for your act of blasphemy with your life? You would call me a crazy person. So why I ask do you respect this joke of a fairy tale religion? Because so many people believe in the mumbo jumbo, or because you are scared?
Religion is a disease and/or a mental disorder and should be treated as such. Some can be treated with discussion, some will be treated with evolution and they will simply perish. In the long run, Pinocchio isnt going to fix your problems, you are going to have to fix your problems. I wish the writers at comedy central didnt back down from the threats, somebody needs to take a stand or ignorance will win.
Kind regards to all who want progress.