Us LFS'ers though it was weird when the linuxfromscratch.org server disappeared yesterday around 6PM EST, it came back online about 8 hours later at are hosters colo rack, giving us the bad details.
Actually, if you hop on IRC (#LFS on irc.linuxfromscratch.org) and talk to a few of us, we allready have machines running ALFS... You can download most of the code from CVS and try it out, we are getting there, i just got back from visiting family and friends (a hole whopping two weeks, i feel so disconnected:) so i have some catching up todo, but i'll be reworking the CVS archive, as we have an influcs of new developers and volunteers, it's great =)
PS, ALFS does work right now, it doesn't have a fancy interface like what is planned but it is usable to an extent, btw there are other implementations that were started when we first were talking about using XML with ALFS, one is Richard Lightmans RALFS and Rod Roark LFSMake
As bdumm mentioned above (i'm actual on his LAN right now, visiting from.ca;) ALFS is doing exactly that, when i get back the four things i'm working on are, a bootable cd/floppy for "Distrobution Installations", a Qt-Embedded Front-End to make it "pretty", getting the docs up to date and optimizating CVS.
Making a bootable CD is not hard, you could take something like Toms bootdisk, burn it as the Bootable ISO Image, stick ALFS, the source packages or binaries just in tarballs on the CD, bootup, format+partition (which can be automated too, it isn't hard once you understand the Linux Boot up system with SysVinit), mount the new partition, mount the cd, untar/start compiling.
As for everyone saying that you should stick with a distrobution, i don't think they have any idea what it's like having 1000+ computers (that are not all in one place) running a distrobution and having to take the time to _clean up_ after the maintainers, it's plain disgusting, with LFS at least, your at the bare minimun, and it's quite complete for the average system, adding X, KDE2, XMMS, RealPlayer, Netscape, Star Office, Word Perfect, ApplixWare, etc is just easy and very clean compared to a "all-in-one-box" like most distrobutions are (don't get me wrong, you could do it that way, but for my 2 desktops and 2 servers, it's easier todo it from scratch, as i spend just _as much_ time doing it ala LFS then doing it with MDK, RH, Deb, Slack, and stripping it down then rebuilding it)
Anyways, i'm just mumbling, keep an eye out on LFS/ALFS slashdot, we are going back to the roots of a Linux system and making it clean and KISS.
Another bites the dust... uhh,
on
GTK+ without X!
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· Score: 2
joins the Embedded World... *stops playing Queen on his iPAQ and gets back to/.*
Like someone has allready mentioned GTK != Gnome, and if my memory serves me right, Gnome still requires X in one way or another, here and there.
But this doesn't surprise me, i've been waiting for this, with the hole, Qt Embedded, QPE, Konqueror Embedded on the iPAQ (and similar handhelds) allready released it was just a matter of time for GTK to finally (i may add) to get the code into CVS, this was allready posted on/. a couple of months ago (GTK Embedded, when the Trolls were talking about Qt Embedded) (PS, it was actually sad, i couldn't find anything on it afterwards besides the plain and simple page that was up, even a search on google turned nothing up)
But..i doubt i'll be going for the GTK solution (yet again) as the Qt solution is alot nicer for what i plan on doing for the ALFS (Automated LinuxFromScratch) Front-end graphical installer, but that's not a bad thing, at least now i have an even bigger choice when it comes to hacking for small resources/embedded devices! Qt Embedded, GTK Embedded, Microwindows are the three that are standing out so far (well that i have seen:)
I hope this continues, i'm going to love the next couple of months with the Trolls hiting back with something better then GTK doing the same *winks* (and vise-versa of course)
Aye, this is starting to piss me off, i just spend over CND$250 for QI+QII Boxed sets and Q3A Tin can, a couple of months ago. (all linux versions)
And i don't even play Q3A that much, except maybe a few times with the guys at work... i prefer the Half-life: Counter-Strike scene (where you actually do need skill, unlike Q3A, imho, where you need a brand new box and be an LPB:).
I also picking up the Q3A Tin Can/Linux version for the project leader of LFS as a present, i'm not about to blame the users nor the communite, perhaps the distrobutions and ID themselves, getting a nice working setup in Q3A, ins't always easy these days, much harder then most OS's.
I've done my part in trying to support Id, if that isn't enough, i don't know what is.
Stop blaming each other and fix the damn problem, which is easy enough to really figure out.
I have a Thinkpad A20p it run fine under RH/Debian/Slackware/LFS,etc, no worries there.
This has todo with IBM using the same partition ID that FreeBSD for there suspend features and all (or whatever)
Just wanted to clear this up... (oh and it also runs Win2k too)
And actually they did test Linux (allthough only OpenLinux) on the A20 line, do some research before posting please.
All the hardware on this beast is supported on linux, it's great.
It's a shame i can't run OpenBSD without doing a little more hacking then needed, allthough i don't consider it impossible, just a little more hacking todo.
stop shotting about IBM not supporting BSD, they never said they would, this was a stupid mistake, and frankly it's getting out of control, these things happen, it's life (and really the A20 line, at least the ones worth buying are expensive, and if your going to buy a laptop and your OS isn't supported, id do some serious looking into this anyways)
Or the IBM ThinkPad A series, they sport the ATI Rage Mobility 128 16MB.
It includes all the works, but piece of advice, if your going to spend that much money (well you americans it's cheaper:) to get a nice LCD screen, like the A21p "15.4 1600x1200 =)
In August my IBM ThinkPad A20p arrived (finally!) and this baby is hot, sporting a Piii 750Mhz/128MB/ATI Rage Mobility 128 16MB card which is very impressive, but the biggest out of everything on a laptop that makes the difference is the screen, i have a TFT "15.4 1400x1050 with the square pixels so it actually looks good at 800x600/1024x768, every single gamer i have meant around my area (Canmore/Banff Alberta) has just drooled over it.
It's nothing like going to a LAN Party and bringing this laptop that has an LCD bigger then most "17 monitors and an optical Mouse, playing Q3A/UT/HL/CS is just amazing, anywhere from 30 to 70 fps (really guys, you don't _need_ more then 70)
My first laptop was a Toshiba Satellite 4090XDVD, not great on the graphics, but it showed me that mobile desktop replacements are right here, and right now.
Now, if only i could get one of those new G4 SMP laptops... Mmmm.. *drools*
I live in Canmore (about 20 minutes from Banff) and if ya got in a _serious_ accident, they have chopters in Banff(hrm, not sure about Banff), Canmore and Calgary that can fly you into Calgary in less then 20 minutes.
Enough about Health care, i'm getting sick of ppl screaming that, and this is only a _small_ piece of _your_ "tax dollars"..
GCC isn't the hurting the community, RH is, using non-stable software in a production environment (new RH release, everyone install new RH) which has known problems.
So maybe GCC is behind, that still doesn't change anything... what RH is doing is wrong, imho
I have no problem waiting for a little longer then normal (geez, just take the kernel for example...it's going to get near one year now) if it means a better release. -
Personally i don't care much (i don't have a box running any distro anymore except Slack7.1 boxes that are being moved to LFS) but does 2.96 have trouble compiling software?
I can understand a major release as 3.0...but RH doing this doesn't help anyone, nor the community. -
Hrm... come on, 2.95.2 isn't that bad, i run LFS (LinuxFromScratch, http://www.linuxfromscratch.org) and have had _no_ problem compiling anything (this includes several servers/desktops/laptops) nor running, so..?
Dunno, i don't agree with using snapshot's in distrobution... i find that just wrong, imho -
Ah... LFS, ever since i've started getting involved in it's development i've not logged back.
And you are right, for anyone that wants todo LFS right now it's a _wonderfull_ getting-to-know-and-learn-linux way and doing-it-my-way-from-the-ground-up instead of taking-a-distro-and-moldy-it-into-what-i-want.
We have started a subproject called ALFS, Automated LinuxFromScratch, which will automated the installation, there are several implementatoins allready done in bash, etc.
The design for ALFS is quite flexible though it's had a hard time taking off, mainly as developers have been busy, etc...but inside of a week everything should be running full 'till.
I know myself, Pual and Bryan are planning on making a small HOWTO on basic security procecudres one _should_ do to make a system secure.
Either way, i suggest everyone take a look, you can learn quite alot about linux in general and UNIX, The project has been around for a while yet wtill in heavy development, Gerard should be releasing version 2.4 which will replace the old 2.2 stable version, and it doesn't take too long, on a half-decent box you could do it in 5 hours (i've done it:) and that's was by typing everything out including shell scripts and configuration files, once it's Automated i think it sould be very impressive.
Considering you have almost no daemons/clients/ or whatever installed it's allready more secure then almost everything out there... i'll tell ya, give this project a little time.
Anyways... just mumbling now *winks*
btw: too all those Debian ppl, this is a _full development system_, you should also make sure you strip all your binarys and libraries as it's saves _alot_ of room;) anyways, sign up and post on the mailing list.
I'm going to be picking up my new ThinkPad A20p today or tomorrow (whenever i head into town) and that's running a "15.4 TFT 1500x1040, that's _very small_ for the average person, imho
Either way, it's cool, but 1280x1024 is 'nuff for me... then again *winks* -
Slashdot Mirror
> But all this kewl pixel shading will mean zilch until some game makes use of it and becomes popular.
;)
By the time it becomes "popular", it's common and hence isn't really as "fun", imho
I was wondering why there were like ~250 httpd processes right before i when't to sleep, now i know.
/. has done this? harsh ;)
is this the thrid time
/me is another *LFS developer..
Us LFS'ers though it was weird when the linuxfromscratch.org server disappeared yesterday around 6PM EST, it came back online about 8 hours later at are hosters colo rack, giving us the bad details.
Meh, what a shame in reality... oh well
Hey gzenker, you got an email so we can stay in contact? it would be alot easier considering how fast things are moving forward for us =)
(just email it to highos@highos.com, that would be great)
*ROFL's and patpats bdumm*
Actually, if you hop on IRC (#LFS on irc.linuxfromscratch.org) and talk to a few of us, we allready have machines running ALFS... You can download most of the code from CVS and try it out, we are getting there, i just got back from visiting family and friends (a hole whopping two weeks, i feel so disconnected :) so i have some catching up todo, but i'll be reworking the CVS archive, as we have an influcs of new developers and volunteers, it's great =)
PS, ALFS does work right now, it doesn't have a fancy interface like what is planned but it is usable to an extent, btw there are other implementations that were started when we first were talking about using XML with ALFS, one is Richard Lightmans RALFS and Rod Roark LFSMake
As bdumm mentioned above (i'm actual on his LAN right now, visiting from .ca ;) ALFS is doing exactly that, when i get back the four things i'm working on are, a bootable cd/floppy for "Distrobution Installations", a Qt-Embedded Front-End to make it "pretty", getting the docs up to date and optimizating CVS.
Making a bootable CD is not hard, you could take something like Toms bootdisk, burn it as the Bootable ISO Image, stick ALFS, the source packages or binaries just in tarballs on the CD, bootup, format+partition (which can be automated too, it isn't hard once you understand the Linux Boot up system with SysVinit), mount the new partition, mount the cd, untar/start compiling.
As for everyone saying that you should stick with a distrobution, i don't think they have any idea what it's like having 1000+ computers (that are not all in one place) running a distrobution and having to take the time to _clean up_ after the maintainers, it's plain disgusting, with LFS at least, your at the bare minimun, and it's quite complete for the average system, adding X, KDE2, XMMS, RealPlayer, Netscape, Star Office, Word Perfect, ApplixWare, etc is just easy and very clean compared to a "all-in-one-box" like most distrobutions are (don't get me wrong, you could do it that way, but for my 2 desktops and 2 servers, it's easier todo it from scratch, as i spend just _as much_ time doing it ala LFS then doing it with MDK, RH, Deb, Slack, and stripping it down then rebuilding it)
Anyways, i'm just mumbling, keep an eye out on LFS/ALFS slashdot, we are going back to the roots of a Linux system and making it clean and KISS.
joins the Embedded World... *stops playing Queen on his iPAQ and gets back to /.*
/. a couple of months ago (GTK Embedded, when the Trolls were talking about Qt Embedded) (PS, it was actually sad, i couldn't find anything on it afterwards besides the plain and simple page that was up, even a search on google turned nothing up)
:)
Like someone has allready mentioned GTK != Gnome, and if my memory serves me right, Gnome still requires X in one way or another, here and there.
But this doesn't surprise me, i've been waiting for this, with the hole, Qt Embedded, QPE, Konqueror Embedded on the iPAQ (and similar handhelds) allready released it was just a matter of time for GTK to finally (i may add) to get the code into CVS, this was allready posted on
But..i doubt i'll be going for the GTK solution (yet again) as the Qt solution is alot nicer for what i plan on doing for the ALFS (Automated LinuxFromScratch) Front-end graphical installer, but that's not a bad thing, at least now i have an even bigger choice when it comes to hacking for small resources/embedded devices! Qt Embedded, GTK Embedded, Microwindows are the three that are standing out so far (well that i have seen
I hope this continues, i'm going to love the next couple of months with the Trolls hiting back with something better then GTK doing the same *winks* (and vise-versa of course)
Aye, this is starting to piss me off, i just spend over CND$250 for QI+QII Boxed sets and Q3A Tin can, a couple of months ago. (all linux versions)
:).
And i don't even play Q3A that much, except maybe a few times with the guys at work... i prefer the Half-life: Counter-Strike scene (where you actually do need skill, unlike Q3A, imho, where you need a brand new box and be an LPB
I also picking up the Q3A Tin Can/Linux version for the project leader of LFS as a present, i'm not about to blame the users nor the communite, perhaps the distrobutions and ID themselves, getting a nice working setup in Q3A, ins't always easy these days, much harder then most OS's.
I've done my part in trying to support Id, if that isn't enough, i don't know what is.
Stop blaming each other and fix the damn problem, which is easy enough to really figure out.
Bough of you, please check out LFS... you may find it very interesting for just this reason;
http://www.linuxfromscratch.org
PS, This is like roll-your-own, using SysVinit (aka RH rc script), small and clean like Slackware, very good combination.
Uhh...this isn't a linux, issue.
I have a Thinkpad A20p it run fine under RH/Debian/Slackware/LFS,etc, no worries there.
This has todo with IBM using the same partition ID that FreeBSD for there suspend features and all (or whatever)
Just wanted to clear this up... (oh and it also runs Win2k too)
And actually they did test Linux (allthough only OpenLinux) on the A20 line, do some research before posting please.
All the hardware on this beast is supported on linux, it's great.
It's a shame i can't run OpenBSD without doing a little more hacking then needed, allthough i don't consider it impossible, just a little more hacking todo.
stop shotting about IBM not supporting BSD, they never said they would, this was a stupid mistake, and frankly it's getting out of control, these things happen, it's life (and really the A20 line, at least the ones worth buying are expensive, and if your going to buy a laptop and your OS isn't supported, id do some serious looking into this anyways)
anyways...
Or the IBM ThinkPad A series, they sport the ATI Rage Mobility 128 16MB.
:) to get a nice LCD screen, like the A21p "15.4 1600x1200 =)
It includes all the works, but piece of advice, if your going to spend that much money (well you americans it's cheaper
In August my IBM ThinkPad A20p arrived (finally!) and this baby is hot, sporting a Piii 750Mhz/128MB/ATI Rage Mobility 128 16MB card which is very impressive, but the biggest out of everything on a laptop that makes the difference is the screen, i have a TFT "15.4 1400x1050 with the square pixels so it actually looks good at 800x600/1024x768, every single gamer i have meant around my area (Canmore/Banff Alberta) has just drooled over it.
It's nothing like going to a LAN Party and bringing this laptop that has an LCD bigger then most "17 monitors and an optical Mouse, playing Q3A/UT/HL/CS is just amazing, anywhere from 30 to 70 fps (really guys, you don't _need_ more then 70)
My first laptop was a Toshiba Satellite 4090XDVD, not great on the graphics, but it showed me that mobile desktop replacements are right here, and right now.
Now, if only i could get one of those new G4 SMP laptops... Mmmm.. *drools*
I live in Canmore (about 20 minutes from Banff) and if ya got in a _serious_ accident, they have chopters in Banff(hrm, not sure about Banff), Canmore and Calgary that can fly you into Calgary in less then 20 minutes. Enough about Health care, i'm getting sick of ppl screaming that, and this is only a _small_ piece of _your_ "tax dollars"..
How has it hurt the community?
GCC isn't the hurting the community, RH is, using non-stable software in a production environment (new RH release, everyone install new RH) which has known problems.
So maybe GCC is behind, that still doesn't change anything... what RH is doing is wrong, imho
I have no problem waiting for a little longer then normal (geez, just take the kernel for example...it's going to get near one year now) if it means a better release.
-
Personally i don't care much (i don't have a box running any distro anymore except Slack7.1 boxes that are being moved to LFS) but does 2.96 have trouble compiling software?
I can understand a major release as 3.0...but RH doing this doesn't help anyone, nor the community.
-
Hrm... come on, 2.95.2 isn't that bad, i run LFS (LinuxFromScratch, http://www.linuxfromscratch.org) and have had _no_ problem compiling anything (this includes several servers/desktops/laptops) nor running, so..?
Dunno, i don't agree with using snapshot's in distrobution... i find that just wrong, imho
-
Agreed... yet you can always remove it later, but then again, what's going to stop a kiddy from just download binaries... *shrugs*
I'm no security expert.
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Ah... LFS, ever since i've started getting involved in it's development i've not logged back.
:) and that's was by typing everything out including shell scripts and configuration files, once it's Automated i think it sould be very impressive.
;) anyways, sign up and post on the mailing list.
And you are right, for anyone that wants todo LFS right now it's a _wonderfull_ getting-to-know-and-learn-linux way and doing-it-my-way-from-the-ground-up instead of taking-a-distro-and-moldy-it-into-what-i-want.
We have started a subproject called ALFS, Automated LinuxFromScratch, which will automated the installation, there are several implementatoins allready done in bash, etc.
The design for ALFS is quite flexible though it's had a hard time taking off, mainly as developers have been busy, etc...but inside of a week everything should be running full 'till.
I know myself, Pual and Bryan are planning on making a small HOWTO on basic security procecudres one _should_ do to make a system secure.
Either way, i suggest everyone take a look, you can learn quite alot about linux in general and UNIX, The project has been around for a while yet wtill in heavy development, Gerard should be releasing version 2.4 which will replace the old 2.2 stable version, and it doesn't take too long, on a half-decent box you could do it in 5 hours (i've done it
Considering you have almost no daemons/clients/ or whatever installed it's allready more secure then almost everything out there... i'll tell ya, give this project a little time.
Anyways... just mumbling now *winks*
btw: too all those Debian ppl, this is a _full development system_, you should also make sure you strip all your binarys and libraries as it's saves _alot_ of room
-
I'm going to be picking up my new ThinkPad A20p today or tomorrow (whenever i head into town) and that's running a "15.4 TFT 1500x1040, that's _very small_ for the average person, imho
Either way, it's cool, but 1280x1024 is 'nuff for me... then again *winks*
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As a former founder of Mountlinux, i find it sad this being posted on /. now.
If anyone wants to know the full story of how/and/or what Mountlinux is all about from someone that has worked with these guys let me know.
.HIghoS
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http://highos.dhs.org
Exactly... allthough not in school anymore (dropped out to start a company)
MOO (MUD same thing, IMHO) is what keeps me together, and about all the regulars.
.HIghoS
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Jesse Tie Ten Quee - tie@linux.ca - highos@highos.com
http://highos.dhs.org
that's all? i've got 3001.55BogoMIPS on my DualPiii@750 system at home.
Considering each CPU does 1500.77
i *LOVE* compiling now...
http://highos.dhs.org/server.txt for full specs.
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Jesse Tie Ten Quee - tie@linux.ca - highos@highos.com
http://highos.dhs.org
LoL... how true, moderate this up!
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Jesse Tie Ten Quee - tie@linux.ca - highos@highos.com
http://highos.dhs.org
Well, when i compiled X/KDE/BB from src, KDE was installed by /default/ to /usr/local/kde
/not/ a Qt issue, it's a KDE issue, WHY do you think this is being asked from the KDE team and not Debian, eh?
This is
The KDE team has a license issue...
.HIghoS
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Jesse Tie Ten Quee - tie@linux.ca - highos@highos.com
http://highos.dhs.org