>It's just bewildering. Is this really the USA? And are it's citizens just taking it? Some freedom-loving people.
Congratulations. You've just discovered the difference between public ideology ("greatest country on earth," "home of freedom and democracy") and actual reality ("bow down to your corporate overlords").
P.S. The journalists' claims are overblown, in the sense that reporting on Apple's manufacturing was overblown. I get interviewed every time I enter the US (because of "leftist affiliations" shall we say). The interrogations are, in the end, professionally and not over the top in a sort of bureaucratically chilling way. If I don't make a fuss or trouble, it's just a series of questions and answers, and they're not going to do an unnecessary invasive search because they're no point / it's inefficient. If you scream and holler and break protocol on your side, I'm sure, you've just set off all the alarm bells and they have to search you, but because you screamed and hollered and they have to search everyone who screams and hollers-- because that's what the bureaucratic playbook says they have to do-- not because you're a journalist who wrote about this or that, but because, in the end, you're making extra trouble.
In short, don't argue with the cop unless you're prepared for the consequences.
P.S. In case you weren't being sarcastic: it's often the #1 selling paper in the US, and (in comparison with the WSJ) clearly the best-selling general news paper: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USA_Today
>I think Slashdot has even stupider, more closed-minded people than the Westboro Baptist Church and the people who attend the Creationist Museum.
I'm posting from the Creationist Museum as we speak, and I came over here to/. because the high-falutin' ideas of the Creationists were too much to me.
Seriously,/. has suffered the same phenomena as the Internet (as outlined by people like Howard Rheingold): after a while, expansion of the base means average quality must go down; eventually, you reach a cliff and noise/signal increases dramatically. At which point, you might was well be in Westboro.
>And when the mission makes a mistake and an asteroid goes plummiting into a major city it will cause trillions of dollars in damage and >massive loss of life and potentially create a cloud of dust that will cause an ice age.
I don't know what's sadder: that you're stupid enough to think up the above FUD, or that others are stupid enough to mod it up.
I didn't? The truth is always a defense, and I provided the truth. No argument needed, but I'm going to take a wild guess that I've flown about 600K more miles than anyone posting here.
Regardless, my counter-troll strategy is not so good here, but I don't really consider anything but the first post in a reply-chain to count. In which case, IU simply stated fairly accurate information, and called out any obvious foolishness as such. Replies are pure sparring for the heck of it / meta discussion.
Sure, I recognize that a post that details some of the cost factors is more valuable overall, but I do not think it valuable here, when the reason is as a reply to what's essentially a troll (ie, a post that is argumentative solely for arguement's sake, not in a search for truth or facts). And yes again, I mean TROLL. There's a reason for the term.
FWIW then, my +karma::mod down tally for today looks to be 10:2;// I'm playing a game with what it takes to produce karma under current conditions.
Which means, either way you look at it, I've won the (meta) argument here:P.
Yes I can. Because it's obvious that it's far far closer to $2 than $50 (even if it reaches $2, which I really doubt), and that people who are posting (such as in regards to how catering is handled at airports) just don't know what they're talking about, having never bothger to simply observe. The point is that I'm right, and don't give a flying fuck if a bunch of trolls want to assert x,y, or z in response.
Am I supposed to take a test here on whether I know what cost-based accounting is? Frack you troll, that's not the point-- that's the essense of trolling. The point is to have a forum that rewards good/valuable knowledge, over pointless and inexperienced speculation and trolling, ie, signal above noise. And from the upvoted comments on this thread, that's clearly not the case on/.
Because they do. Take a look out the concourse windows next time. The food service provides and loads the food, just the same as the baggage carriers are not employed by the airline but the airport. Jeez.
Oh. And now TWO people have -1 -ed the parent because I typoed "1/5th" (originally thought 1/3rd, but then considered better) and called a poster an idiot?
The interior airspace of a plane is extremely limited and easily served by a small humidifier and, in all likelyhood, you could grab the small amount of water necessary to operate from the outside air via condensation on the plane. Anyone who calls that "hundreds of gallons necessary" deserves a mocking and being called an idiot for posting it here before thinking. -1, poster is being a jerk is not an option:P
FYI, "Clipper" was the nickname for Pam Am's service. My family was United Crew-- we still have a flight map signed by Bob Hope from a quick Newark->Denver->Las Vegas->L.A. tour mounted on the wall, so 19 hours is indeed about the flight time from the prop-plane, in-the-clouds & turbulence era.
And in that era-- the big difference was that you couldn't get above the wind toss, so could wind up being buffetted at pretty much any time-- they darn well did everything they could to make flying more attractive than hopping the train.
I'd don't need to look it up, asshole. The earlier poster is claiming $50. The added cost-basis is obviously less than $2. Done. Go back to middle school.
>The first team to upload photographs of each of the five by noon eastern time on April 1 will win the competition--and with it, a ton of international glory...
>PanAm used to cook four-course meals on their flights.
Airlines still do. Buy a business class ticket on Newark to Singapore, a 19-hour flight and the world's longest commercial flight, and the equivalent in time of a clipper trek from Newark to San Fran back in "the good old days." You still what you pay for.
Seriously? Who mods down a depth-4 comment in a descending flame war? I was supposed to spell out each of the things he was wrong about? Sheesh./. sucks these days. And I've got all the karma in the world.
>The modern airliner cabin is pressurized to a pressure altitude of 8,000ft.
And moreover, the majority of metal parts subject to deterioration are not exposed to the pressurized air, and the exterior surfaces are exposed to a great deal of moisture (condensation and other environmental).
>Humidifying the air would require carrying many extra gallons (hundreds?) of fresh water.
Because my home humidifier uses a 100-gallon tank. Yeah. And not a 2.5 gallon one. And because the cubic feet inside an airplane are 100x my home, and not, say, 1/5rd those of my house.
Serving a meal on a plane costs in the area of $10 (just because YOU read it, don't make it so). Most of the cost is do to deregulation (you need a franchise license from the particular airport, to operate on premise, and airports typically only issue one-- ah, free enterprise!).
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>WTF slashrot...
FTFY.
>It's just bewildering. Is this really the USA? And are it's citizens just taking it? Some freedom-loving people.
Congratulations. You've just discovered the difference between public ideology ("greatest country on earth," "home of freedom and democracy") and actual reality ("bow down to your corporate overlords").
P.S. The journalists' claims are overblown, in the sense that reporting on Apple's manufacturing was overblown. I get interviewed every time I enter the US (because of "leftist affiliations" shall we say). The interrogations are, in the end, professionally and not over the top in a sort of bureaucratically chilling way. If I don't make a fuss or trouble, it's just a series of questions and answers, and they're not going to do an unnecessary invasive search because they're no point / it's inefficient. If you scream and holler and break protocol on your side, I'm sure, you've just set off all the alarm bells and they have to search you, but because you screamed and hollered and they have to search everyone who screams and hollers-- because that's what the bureaucratic playbook says they have to do-- not because you're a journalist who wrote about this or that, but because, in the end, you're making extra trouble.
In short, don't argue with the cop unless you're prepared for the consequences.
P.S. In case you weren't being sarcastic: it's often the #1 selling paper in the US, and (in comparison with the WSJ) clearly the best-selling general news paper: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USA_Today
>USA Today...the only place I see it is at hotels, free copies at the door of the rooms in the morning. Otherwise, who buys it or reads it?
"Middle America." You know, the people with the big middles? (The place you left out, was Wal-Mart).
>Don't forget Asset Forfeiture [justice.gov] -- you don't even have to be charged with a crime, much less convicted.
Warning: clicking on the link in the RP may subject you to seizure of assets by the "Department of Justice."
"Your momma?"
Seriously, as other commenters have already pointed out ad nauseum, your comment is rather juvenile. Please think before posting (PTBP!).
>I think Slashdot has even stupider, more closed-minded people than the Westboro Baptist Church and the people who attend the Creationist Museum.
I'm posting from the Creationist Museum as we speak, and I came over here to /. because the high-falutin' ideas of the Creationists were too much to me.
Seriously, /. has suffered the same phenomena as the Internet (as outlined by people like Howard Rheingold): after a while, expansion of the base means average quality must go down; eventually, you reach a cliff and noise/signal increases dramatically. At which point, you might was well be in Westboro.
Snark is not always bad:
>I keep assuming that the Slashdot crowd looks to the future, and in reality many readers here have their heads firmly buried in the sand.
I was thinking more, a certain part of their anatomy.
>You'd probably lose a big chunk of mass to atmospheric burn and impact damage
Say, 99.8%.
>And when the mission makes a mistake and an asteroid goes plummiting into a major city it will cause trillions of dollars in damage and
>massive loss of life and potentially create a cloud of dust that will cause an ice age.
I don't know what's sadder: that you're stupid enough to think up the above FUD, or that others are stupid enough to mod it up.
Intelligent readers, please mod parent back down.
I didn't? The truth is always a defense, and I provided the truth. No argument needed, but I'm going to take a wild guess that I've flown about 600K more miles than anyone posting here.
Regardless, my counter-troll strategy is not so good here, but I don't really consider anything but the first post in a reply-chain to count. In which case, IU simply stated fairly accurate information, and called out any obvious foolishness as such. Replies are pure sparring for the heck of it / meta discussion.
Sure, I recognize that a post that details some of the cost factors is more valuable overall, but I do not think it valuable here, when the reason is as a reply to what's essentially a troll (ie, a post that is argumentative solely for arguement's sake, not in a search for truth or facts). And yes again, I mean TROLL. There's a reason for the term.
FWIW then, my +karma::mod down tally for today looks to be 10:2; // I'm playing a game with what it takes to produce karma under current conditions.
Which means, either way you look at it, I've won the (meta) argument here :P.
Yes I can. Because it's obvious that it's far far closer to $2 than $50 (even if it reaches $2, which I really doubt), and that people who are posting (such as in regards to how catering is handled at airports) just don't know what they're talking about, having never bothger to simply observe. The point is that I'm right, and don't give a flying fuck if a bunch of trolls want to assert x,y, or z in response.
Am I supposed to take a test here on whether I know what cost-based accounting is? Frack you troll, that's not the point-- that's the essense of trolling. The point is to have a forum that rewards good/valuable knowledge, over pointless and inexperienced speculation and trolling, ie, signal above noise. And from the upvoted comments on this thread, that's clearly not the case on /.
Because they do. Take a look out the concourse windows next time. The food service provides and loads the food, just the same as the baggage carriers are not employed by the airline but the airport. Jeez.
Oh. And now TWO people have -1 -ed the parent because I typoed "1/5th" (originally thought 1/3rd, but then considered better) and called a poster an idiot?
The interior airspace of a plane is extremely limited and easily served by a small humidifier and, in all likelyhood, you could grab the small amount of water necessary to operate from the outside air via condensation on the plane. Anyone who calls that "hundreds of gallons necessary" deserves a mocking and being called an idiot for posting it here before thinking. -1, poster is being a jerk is not an option :P
FYI, "Clipper" was the nickname for Pam Am's service. My family was United Crew-- we still have a flight map signed by Bob Hope from a quick Newark->Denver->Las Vegas->L.A. tour mounted on the wall, so 19 hours is indeed about the flight time from the prop-plane, in-the-clouds & turbulence era.
And in that era-- the big difference was that you couldn't get above the wind toss, so could wind up being buffetted at pretty much any time-- they darn well did everything they could to make flying more attractive than hopping the train.
I'd don't need to look it up, asshole. The earlier poster is claiming $50. The added cost-basis is obviously less than $2. Done. Go back to middle school.
"We are not brothers, hanger-on..."
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>The first team to upload photographs of each of the five by noon eastern time on April 1 will win the competition--and with it, a ton of international glory...
Yep. They'll forever be known as the April Fools!
>PanAm used to cook four-course meals on their flights.
Airlines still do. Buy a business class ticket on Newark to Singapore, a 19-hour flight and the world's longest commercial flight, and the equivalent in time of a clipper trek from Newark to San Fran back in "the good old days." You still what you pay for.
>PanAm used to cook four-course meals on their flights. What happened?
They went out of business: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pan_am
Seriously? Who mods down a depth-4 comment in a descending flame war? I was supposed to spell out each of the things he was wrong about? Sheesh. /. sucks these days. And I've got all the karma in the world.
Oh good grief. What a load of BS. The ground crew is provided by the caterer. And so on. You obviously don't know what the FUCK you're talking about.
>The modern airliner cabin is pressurized to a pressure altitude of 8,000ft.
And moreover, the majority of metal parts subject to deterioration are not exposed to the pressurized air, and the exterior surfaces are exposed to a great deal of moisture (condensation and other environmental).
>The original article is just pure hogwash.
Agreed.
>Humidifying the air would require carrying many extra gallons (hundreds?) of fresh water.
Because my home humidifier uses a 100-gallon tank. Yeah. And not a 2.5 gallon one. And because the cubic feet inside an airplane are 100x my home, and not, say, 1/5rd those of my house.
Idiot.
Mod parent down.
Serving a meal on a plane costs in the area of $10 (just because YOU read it, don't make it so). Most of the cost is do to deregulation (you need a franchise license from the particular airport, to operate on premise, and airports typically only issue one-- ah, free enterprise!).
Please try again-- on another forum.