The senior admin for an ISP I used to work for owned his own class C. Said he got it back in the day when just anyone could go to ARIN and ask. All he had to demonstrait was that he had the competancy to set it up properly.
older companies and organizations have been camped on huge amounts of ip addresses for the last 10-15 years. if arin bit the bullet and forced these internet first-comers (and heavy wallets) to relinquish ip space we would see the 'ipv4 crisis' go away.
I'll say...
arachne:ckloote {101} whois -a 40.0.0.0
Eli Lilly and Company (NET-LILLY-NET)
Lilly Corporate Center
Indianapolis, Indiana 46285
US
Record last updated on 17-Jul-2001.
Database last updated on 29-Nov-2001 19:56:47 EDT.
Yeah, Eli-Lilly is a big company, but please tell me why they need their own class A? They don't, but they managed to get it back in the early days, and won't give it up. I'm sure there are many more cases like this.
James rejects these criticisms and says the decision to protect Microsoft's security provisions was "one of those 'duh' issues." He continues: "Microsoft has security protocols. Are we going to tell everyone how they work? Do you want people to get access to your credit-card information when you shop on line?"
Umm, damn straight I want to know how they work! How else do I know if they are really secure? Trust MS? I think their track record speaks for itself on that one. Do I trust OpenSSL to keep my credi card secure? Yes, because I know how it works.
When will people learn, security through obscurity is a dead end.
Look at it this way: If you want to keep big business "small" the libertarian way is the only way: we want to cut copyright down to 7+7 years MAXIMUM.
This is why libertarians can be hard to argue with. Put ten of them in a room, and you'll get ten different definitions. I've heard libertarians say everything about IP (for example) from "it is an illegal government enforced monopoly", to "it is necessary, but should be more limited, per the consitution," up to "Intellectual property should be just like real property, with absolute property rights for the copyright/patent holder."
Your IP concept sounds reasonable to me actually, assuming my fair use rights are still protected during the 7+7 period. Is this the actual LP belief?
I still maintain that libertarianism as a whole has precisely the the same flaws as pure socialism, just on the other extreme. They both require incredible faith in human nature. With Socialism, the belief that everyone will do their fair share, and with Libertarianism that everyone will always behave rationally and have perfect information. Here in the real world, we know neither will work in practice, and that is why successful nations have a healthy mix of the two philosophies.
Others have said it: if the people are so oppressed, they ought to revolt against their oppressive government. If we can help them get their government changed or reformed, I'm all for that. If they don't want to get it changed or reformed, who am I to say they shouldn't live the way they do??
When the US revolutionaries revolted against the British, we had muskets, they had muskets.
If a Chinese citizen revolts against the Chinese government, the citizen has a stick, the government has a tank.
But hey, if they aren't willing to try and fight those tanks with their sticks, we should just wash our hands of the whole things and enjoy that our corps can make some high profits by taking adavantage of the Chinese labor laws right?
Believe it or not, there are people who believe that morality does take precedence over money.
-Wintermute
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In my experience, developers generally have more competence with the OS than most IS/IT employees.
I know you say this as a very qualified "generally", but I am amazed at how contrary it is to my own experience.
Now I'm not a Desktop admin, I'm a Solaris server admin for my company's production and development Web/Application/Database servers. While I'm a ok C/Perl programmer, I would never claim to know more about software development than our developers.... However, nor would they claim to know more about admining a Unix box than I. I'm the one who's answering their Solaris questions and cleaning up the messes that get made of the dev servers so they can get work done. (And I expect them to get screwed up. That's why they are *development* servers. But if someone breathes in the direction of a production box, I'll get pissed.:-)
At my home I run a fairly sophisticated network off my DSL line, with OpenBSD servers and MacOS X/Win2K clients. My roomate is a developer by trade, and can program circles around me. But, *I'm* the one that set up the network and admins the servers, and he'll be the first to admit he's learned quite a bit about networking, security, and server administration from me.
I know you would just say I am the exception, from the experience I have had, I would say that you are in the odd situation. Either you have some very overqualified developers if they are actually good enough to admin boxes, (I've met very few that are) or your IT staff is woefully underqualified and needs to be sacked.
-Wintermute
P.S. - Our developers do have local admin on their Win2K boxes. I don't really know if they cause problems with them, cause it's our Win2K admin's job to take care of that. I wouldn't concider myself qualified to admin Win2K in a buisness environment.
Unless they installed it with a bad NIC, broadcasting bad packets, Linux can't "scew up" a whole domain. Correct me if I'm wrong, Linux people. The only way a domain can get hosed is if the PDC gets taken down. How did little ol' Linux do that?
I vaugely remember a CS textbook which stated that an OS was made up of four parts: The kernel, shell, filesystem, and for the life of me, I can't remeber the fourth.
This is of course some obscure half-remebered bit from a book, that may not even have been a very good one. Take it for what it's worth, which isn't much.
And if the government did try to make me, I think I could make a fun legal argument based on the 5th amendment. If my messages did contain something illegal, then giving them the key would be the same thing as self-incrimination.
And I've tried to get through to them, but no one there is willing to answer the phone. (I have waited over 3 hours on the phone with them in one sitting)
I can imagine that all those that had their service cut off probably can't get it turned on even after they fix their boxes. DSL.Net seems to think 'customer service' is defined by forcing your customers to listen to unbearable hold music for 3 straight hours, still not answering the phone, and not returning any calls left on their voice mail.
"Giving birth prematurely" was death to the child at that time. It's not like they could stick a premature birth on an incubator or anything.
If we use KJV instead of NIV (which I went with because that is what the original poster used.) it becomes more clear.
If men strive, and hurt a woman with child, so that her fruit depart from her, and yet no mischief follow: he shall be surely punished, according as the woman's husband will lay upon him; and he shall pay as the judges determine.
Sounds like a euphemism for miscarrige to me. I don't know how it reads in the original yiddish, that would be more accurate. Hence the problem using the Bible to argue any point.
But the Mengele's research was kept and used. We actually know much more about hypothermia now than we would w/o that research.
His research was awful, horrific and barbaric, but the moral choice was made to use it so that his subjects did not die in vain. Would you have preferred that his research was just thrown away, so that more people could die needlessly from hypothermia because we don't know how to treat it as well?
Another variation on false dilemma, the line-drawing fallacy, arises when discussing vague concepts: If you cannot draw a line to demonstrate the edge of the concept, it is dismissed as hopelessly unclear (insisting on an unnecessary level of precision). For example, one might bemoan the Constitution's protection against excessive bail, pseudo-arguing that we do not know where to draw the line between excessive and non-excessive amount. (If $10.000 is not excessive, what about $10,001? and so on.)
If men who are fighting hit a pregnant woman and she gives birth prematurely but there is no serious injury, the offender must be fined whatever the woman's husband demands and the court allows.
But if there is serious injury, you are to take life for life, eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot, burn for burn, wound for wound, bruise for bruise.
"...if there is serious injury". So, Exodus does not consider causing a miscarriage serious injury? Exodus believes in "eye-for-and-eye". S why isn't the one who caused the miscarrige put to death?
Could it be that Exodus does not concider the fetus a person? I would have to say it conciders the fetus property, since the punishment is having to pay the father. Perhaps all those claiming that the Bible states that abortion is murder, should sit down and read it sometime.
We have all these people saying "screw you, you worthless little peon consumer, your AUP says you can't run a server" and here's someone who quotes AT&T's AUP, where it explicitly states that you can.
The above post should so be modded up to 5 by now, so all these know-it-all's yelling "Read your AUP" can actually take their own damn advice.
Needless to say, if I was an AT&T customer, I'd be on the phone quoting their own AUP to them, and canceling my service.
Is impossible under the current conditions. Trust me, I used to work for a privately owned regional ISP attempting to succeed at selling DSL. They have you over a colossal barrel.
At the rates telcos charge for access to the network, small ISPs are stuck. Our company made less money off a $49.95/month DSL package than we did off a $20/month dialup account. Meanwhile, the telcos eat a loss, sell twice the bandwidth at the same price. We won't even get into SBC (the ILEC in question here) showing up late for our customer's install dates (if at all) and showing up late for repair dates (also if at all). The whole time marketing the heck out of their own services. Conflict of interest? Never. We couldn't even get a price break from SBC despite being one of their largest customers in the state for PRIs. (for our dialup POPs)
ILECs *hate* DSL. It eats into their fractional T1 market, which is much more profitiable. I don't buy the prices they charge to 3rd parties for DSL at all. A DSL line when done by a 3rd party looks just like a plain, unconditioned copper pair to the ILEC, with the exception that it is hooked up to a co-located DSLAM. If the ILECs charged nothing more than the cost of an alarm circuit, plus a modest co-lo fee, they would still make money off of 3rd party providers, but without being able to drive them out of town.
My friends and I pulled a number of things that, while childish and stupid, and certainly deserved punishment, would hardly deserve jail time.
I've been part of a number of computer pranks in both high school and college. Pretty much everyone I know with a computer background pulled the same type of things. Now we are all pretty successful. We certainly didn't deserve jail time for this. The two friends of mine who got caught and lost dorm ethernet access and their UNIX accounts scared us straight.
As if completely obvious patents weren't enough, we now have patents on things that are mathematically impossible.
At least we don't have to worry about him suing anyone for infringement, since by definition, his patent is impossible to infringe, or for him to even use himself for that matter.
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The senior admin for an ISP I used to work for owned his own class C. Said he got it back in the day when just anyone could go to ARIN and ask. All he had to demonstrait was that he had the competancy to set it up properly.
older companies and organizations have been camped on huge amounts of ip addresses for the last 10-15 years. if arin bit the bullet and forced these internet first-comers (and heavy wallets) to relinquish ip space we would see the 'ipv4 crisis' go away.
I'll say...
arachne:ckloote {101} whois -a 40.0.0.0
Eli Lilly and Company (NET-LILLY-NET)
Lilly Corporate Center
Indianapolis, Indiana 46285
US
Netname: LILLY-NET
Netblock: 40.0.0.0 - 40.255.255.255
Coordinator:
Eli Lilly and Company (ZE16-ARIN) hostmaster@lilly.com
317-277-7000
Domain System inverse mapping provided by:
DNS1I.XH1.LILLY.COM 40.255.22.1
NS1.IQUEST.NET 198.70.36.70
AUTH40.NS.UU.NET 198.6.1.18
AUTH62.NS.UU.NET 198.6.1.19
Record last updated on 17-Jul-2001.
Database last updated on 29-Nov-2001 19:56:47 EDT.
Yeah, Eli-Lilly is a big company, but please tell me why they need their own class A? They don't, but they managed to get it back in the early days, and won't give it up. I'm sure there are many more cases like this.
James rejects these criticisms and says the decision to protect Microsoft's security provisions was "one of those 'duh' issues." He continues: "Microsoft has security protocols. Are we going to tell everyone how they work? Do you want people to get access to your credit-card information when you shop on line?"
Umm, damn straight I want to know how they work! How else do I know if they are really secure? Trust MS? I think their track record speaks for itself on that one. Do I trust OpenSSL to keep my credi card secure? Yes, because I know how it works.
When will people learn, security through obscurity is a dead end.
Look at it this way: If you want to keep big business "small" the libertarian way is the only way: we want to cut copyright down to 7+7 years MAXIMUM.
This is why libertarians can be hard to argue with. Put ten of them in a room, and you'll get ten different definitions. I've heard libertarians say everything about IP (for example) from "it is an illegal government enforced monopoly", to "it is necessary, but should be more limited, per the consitution," up to "Intellectual property should be just like real property, with absolute property rights for the copyright/patent holder."
Your IP concept sounds reasonable to me actually, assuming my fair use rights are still protected during the 7+7 period. Is this the actual LP belief?
I still maintain that libertarianism as a whole has precisely the the same flaws as pure socialism, just on the other extreme. They both require incredible faith in human nature. With Socialism, the belief that everyone will do their fair share, and with Libertarianism that everyone will always behave rationally and have perfect information. Here in the real world, we know neither will work in practice, and that is why successful nations have a healthy mix of the two philosophies.
Others have said it: if the people are so oppressed, they ought to revolt against their oppressive government. If we can help them get their government changed or reformed, I'm all for that. If they don't want to get it changed or reformed, who am I to say they shouldn't live the way they do??
When the US revolutionaries revolted against the British, we had muskets, they had muskets.
If a Chinese citizen revolts against the Chinese government, the citizen has a stick, the government has a tank.
But hey, if they aren't willing to try and fight those tanks with their sticks, we should just wash our hands of the whole things and enjoy that our corps can make some high profits by taking adavantage of the Chinese labor laws right?
Believe it or not, there are people who believe that morality does take precedence over money.
-WintermuteAttacking during holidays is nothing new in warfare.
In my experience, developers generally have more competence with the OS than most IS/IT employees.
I know you say this as a very qualified "generally", but I am amazed at how contrary it is to my own experience.
Now I'm not a Desktop admin, I'm a Solaris server admin for my company's production and development Web/Application/Database servers. While I'm a ok C/Perl programmer, I would never claim to know more about software development than our developers.... However, nor would they claim to know more about admining a Unix box than I. I'm the one who's answering their Solaris questions and cleaning up the messes that get made of the dev servers so they can get work done. (And I expect them to get screwed up. That's why they are *development* servers. But if someone breathes in the direction of a production box, I'll get pissed. :-)
At my home I run a fairly sophisticated network off my DSL line, with OpenBSD servers and MacOS X/Win2K clients. My roomate is a developer by trade, and can program circles around me. But, *I'm* the one that set up the network and admins the servers, and he'll be the first to admit he's learned quite a bit about networking, security, and server administration from me.
I know you would just say I am the exception, from the experience I have had, I would say that you are in the odd situation. Either you have some very overqualified developers if they are actually good enough to admin boxes, (I've met very few that are) or your IT staff is woefully underqualified and needs to be sacked.
-Wintermute
P.S. - Our developers do have local admin on their Win2K boxes. I don't really know if they cause problems with them, cause it's our Win2K admin's job to take care of that. I wouldn't concider myself qualified to admin Win2K in a buisness environment.
Unless they installed it with a bad NIC, broadcasting bad packets, Linux can't "scew up" a whole domain. Correct me if I'm wrong, Linux people. The only way a domain can get hosed is if the PDC gets taken down. How did little ol' Linux do that?
Like this.
I just tried Netscape 4 on Solaris 7, and it worked, and I am not behind a web proxy.
MS seems to show no consistency in what browsers they have decided to ban from MSN.
I vaugely remember a CS textbook which stated that an OS was made up of four parts: The kernel, shell, filesystem, and for the life of me, I can't remeber the fourth.
This is of course some obscure half-remebered bit from a book, that may not even have been a very good one. Take it for what it's worth, which isn't much.
And if the government did try to make me, I think I could make a fun legal argument based on the 5th amendment. If my messages did contain something illegal, then giving them the key would be the same thing as self-incrimination.
And I've tried to get through to them, but no one there is willing to answer the phone. (I have waited over 3 hours on the phone with them in one sitting)
I can imagine that all those that had their service cut off probably can't get it turned on even after they fix their boxes. DSL.Net seems to think 'customer service' is defined by forcing your customers to listen to unbearable hold music for 3 straight hours, still not answering the phone, and not returning any calls left on their voice mail.
Netbeans
Sun Forte
Borland JBuilder
IBM Visual Age
No Visual Studio != No choices.
I think market forces exert more influence on quality control than the FDA.
To see what a great job market forces did on quality control in the meat packing industry, read this book.
The market is concered with one thing. Making money. If money can be made by screwing people over, it will happen.
-Wintermute"Giving birth prematurely" was death to the child at that time. It's not like they could stick a premature birth on an incubator or anything.
If we use KJV instead of NIV (which I went with because that is what the original poster used.) it becomes more clear.
If men strive, and hurt a woman with child, so that her fruit depart from her, and yet no mischief follow: he shall be surely punished, according as the woman's husband will lay upon him; and he shall pay as the judges determine.
Sounds like a euphemism for miscarrige to me. I don't know how it reads in the original yiddish, that would be more accurate. Hence the problem using the Bible to argue any point.
-WintermuteBut the Mengele's research was kept and used. We actually know much more about hypothermia now than we would w/o that research.
His research was awful, horrific and barbaric, but the moral choice was made to use it so that his subjects did not die in vain. Would you have preferred that his research was just thrown away, so that more people could die needlessly from hypothermia because we don't know how to treat it as well?
Another variation on false dilemma, the line-drawing fallacy, arises when discussing vague concepts: If you cannot draw a line to demonstrate the edge of the concept, it is dismissed as hopelessly unclear (insisting on an unnecessary level of precision). For example, one might bemoan the Constitution's protection against excessive bail, pseudo-arguing that we do not know where to draw the line between excessive and non-excessive amount. (If $10.000 is not excessive, what about $10,001? and so on.)
Logic says that your question is irrelevant.
If men who are fighting hit a pregnant woman and she gives birth prematurely but there is no serious injury, the offender must be fined whatever the woman's husband demands and the court allows. But if there is serious injury, you are to take life for life, eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot, burn for burn, wound for wound, bruise for bruise.
You can check here.
"...if there is serious injury". So, Exodus does not consider causing a miscarriage serious injury? Exodus believes in "eye-for-and-eye". S why isn't the one who caused the miscarrige put to death?
Could it be that Exodus does not concider the fetus a person? I would have to say it conciders the fetus property, since the punishment is having to pay the father. Perhaps all those claiming that the Bible states that abortion is murder, should sit down and read it sometime.
-WintermuteWe have all these people saying "screw you, you worthless little peon consumer, your AUP says you can't run a server" and here's someone who quotes AT&T's AUP, where it explicitly states that you can.
The above post should so be modded up to 5 by now, so all these know-it-all's yelling "Read your AUP" can actually take their own damn advice.
Needless to say, if I was an AT&T customer, I'd be on the phone quoting their own AUP to them, and canceling my service.
http://www.nolo.com/encyclopedia/articles/ilaw/squ abbles.html
The criteria courts follow to determine state jurisdiction. Seems to me that the 'injury' clause would be what they are using here.
Here's my favorite that attacked me.
bangalore-cache-1.cisco.com
Even Cisco won't patch their IIS servers.
Is impossible under the current conditions. Trust me, I used to work for a privately owned regional ISP attempting to succeed at selling DSL. They have you over a colossal barrel.
At the rates telcos charge for access to the network, small ISPs are stuck. Our company made less money off a $49.95/month DSL package than we did off a $20/month dialup account. Meanwhile, the telcos eat a loss, sell twice the bandwidth at the same price. We won't even get into SBC (the ILEC in question here) showing up late for our customer's install dates (if at all) and showing up late for repair dates (also if at all). The whole time marketing the heck out of their own services. Conflict of interest? Never. We couldn't even get a price break from SBC despite being one of their largest customers in the state for PRIs. (for our dialup POPs)
ILECs *hate* DSL. It eats into their fractional T1 market, which is much more profitiable. I don't buy the prices they charge to 3rd parties for DSL at all. A DSL line when done by a 3rd party looks just like a plain, unconditioned copper pair to the ILEC, with the exception that it is hooked up to a co-located DSLAM. If the ILECs charged nothing more than the cost of an alarm circuit, plus a modest co-lo fee, they would still make money off of 3rd party providers, but without being able to drive them out of town.
-Wintermute
You apparently don't know about Option82 and 'lease limit', which will let you limit the DHCP leases a customer's connection will let you receive.s g11269.html
http://www.mail-archive.com/dhcp-server@isc.org/m
You're not the only one....
My friends and I pulled a number of things that, while childish and stupid, and certainly deserved punishment, would hardly deserve jail time.
I've been part of a number of computer pranks in both high school and college. Pretty much everyone I know with a computer background pulled the same type of things. Now we are all pretty successful. We certainly didn't deserve jail time for this. The two friends of mine who got caught and lost dorm ethernet access and their UNIX accounts scared us straight.
-Wintermute
As if completely obvious patents weren't enough, we now have patents on things that are mathematically impossible.
At least we don't have to worry about him suing anyone for infringement, since by definition, his patent is impossible to infringe, or for him to even use himself for that matter.
-Wintermute