Initially (based on what I found at the sight), I thought it was going to be a good tool which I could use under both windows and linux to do my coding. But when you get to the point of downloading, NT is the platform rather than plain win 9x and above.
I would like a tool which I can run the same way in both linux and win 9x. I develope for both, but only having the ide in one is a bit of a drag while debugging.
> 1. No pointer. Well, yes and no. Yes, there are no pointer, but via proper code you can accomplish the same thing.
> 3. Strings are a class!!! This was done so they can be extensable. It is part of the java programming paradigm.
> 4. Java treats everything like an object. OOP
Java is an interesting attempt at highly portable language with strong internet potential. Microsoft has done a great job at befouling the water, but so has Sun and other big players like HP. It still has not reached its goal of being a safe/cross-platform solution. (Just try any healthy sized code under windows)
C is a good core language. The paradigm shift which C++ trys to bring about does fine. The only thing lacking is a simple UI developement piece (which I think python fills the bill for the cross platform arena).
Actually, the article is helpful at a couple of levels.
1. As stated, for a non-linux user who has never gone through a text based X windows installation only to find they need to know what their graphics card's clock is, then this was a well targetted piece.
2. For those who have tested the waters with only one distribution, this is an ok article for stating some surface level differences without going into great detail.
3. For the developer, this is a honest look at what warm fuzzies appear to be important to those who will never look under the hood. It does not take a rocket scientist to use a word processer and spreadsheet, but it people equate *nix with rocket science then it will be a hard sell to get it out as a desktop solution for office staff.
I like it when a review is an honest statement of what happened when the product was used. It more helpful than a sales pitch. It gives a better feel for the road ahead.
Initially, I used NT because it was simple to create accounts and setup for web use. This was before I had to create a hundred accounts at a time. It was also before I needed to implement virtual domains from a single system.
With a bit of reading and knowledge of scripting (hopefully skills common to most system admins), it was a piece of cake to accomplish this on a linux box. Mind you, I did not start this quest on linux. First I attempted to do this on NT. After many days of reading, an surfing, I found the only way to accomplish these tasks under NT appeared to involve purchasing additional software.
Being I did not have money in a budget (they don't even give me a budget), I thought I had nothing to lose by attempting to set up a linux system with a friend's copy of RedHat 5.0. Within hours of the installation, I found the information I needed for both the user account problem and the web issues. This was about three years ago. Due to Microsoft "features" which relates to their virtual networking and security scheme, I have been forced to choose between peopling a helpdesk from my bloated budget or shifting my servers over to non-NT.
The truth is, MS support is a Secret Art. Even texts by the bigger named publishing companies don't shy away from stating this in their training tomes. The problem is they are not trying to be funny; they are talking about MS's testing relative to their stated objectives.
I don't know it all about MS or Linux, but at least with Linux there are some great resources out their in both printed and electronic form. Too often the NT answer is, "Oh you want one of those, well, we sell that for...". Take your pick. E-mail is a prime example. Better yet, consider the cost of NT based on a per client basis (especially under their new licensing scheme for 2000).
The concept is that in the case of a student, the scope of knowledge is too limited to contain enough new content to be anything other than a mild derivative.
In the case of art, there is a percentage of difference which must exist before a derivative is considered to be beyond copyright infringement.
Speaking as one who has faced this issue at a different level, yes the institutions claim to own ALL the student's knowledge while they are enrolled. I have been in on the legal discussions. I do not agree with it, but I do not have the money to fight it.
While part of the institution you are intellectually drawing from your association with said institution therefore (student, janitor, or network supervisor) you are intellectually a part of the institution and can not sell any such propertity without the institution getting it's cut.
But take the concept one step further. There is nothing particularly Gnomish or KDEish about a PIM. Nor is there something particularly Windozish or PDAish. But the truth is there is a certain look and feel you want out of an application dependant upon the final "run time" envirnment. You can run a text based PIM under Gnome, but it sure would not be pretty.
Plan the core code for the widest possible distribution, then produce the user interface/windows manager interface seperately.
The day Sun gets Star Office for win freely distributed the way AOL flooded the magazine racks is the day the streets will be filled with ms blood.
I would rather see client-side products, but as currently configured Cyber Patrol is McCarthyism. The innocent are burned with the tainted. I may not want my child accessing some of the stuff that is out there, but at the same time I would not want my business to suffer because some company who is crying "nazi" is not too careful about who they point the finger at.
I went to www.cyberpatrol.com. They have a search / submit link for finding out if you are banned. Unfortunately, I do not trust their answer. If their search engine is a sloppy as their exclusion policy, then it may be that my site itself is not banned, but my ISP is.
"THIS SOFTWARE IS SOLD AS IS, WITHOUT WARRANTY OF ANY KIND" This is the new way of saying, "This software is not guaranteed to function in any way." These are both software license phrases found on almost all packages. This is how Microsoft can produce highly disfunctional code, sell it and force you to pay for "upgrades". If software were cars it would be like buying a car then buying an upgrade to fix the "only turns left 4 out of 7 times" bug.
In the auto industry, they have lemon laws. If the law defended the software purchaser the same way, MS would be long gone. They have had a memory leak problem in every version of windows so far. That is a design fault. They should have a recall of all those versions. Being they have known about the errors and allowed them to continue to be distributed, this should be criminal negligance.
Just as a programmer can not live on water alone. A single end user should not have to foot the entire bill. The projects which have broader appeal have multiple offerings. Agreed, the "offer withdrawn" clause stinks especially if the manufacturer does not produce open source drivers.
I contacted our Dell rep. regarding a potential order of 10 dual Xeon servers. They said they would get back to me regarding the Linux. This was three weeks ago. The systems were $7900 each, so maybe $79,000 was too little money for them.
There is a simple answer to a vast majority of the porn problem. Require an extension of.xxx and provide a passworded option to block it.
The real problem is trying to provide everyone with my standard of morals;)
There is no way to block it all. Some of the worst sites are "health" sites such as NYs university of columbia where they tell you how to clean blood and gore from your s&m devices (plus a whole lot more). The internet is like the world--user beware.
Open or closed, it doesn't matter. The religious will make their choice based on beliefs. The uniformed will follow the media maggets. But in the end, choices will be made based on function where it matters. Office Star may be free, but it is a hog which blows up. The price is right, but it has not been more stable than Word. Look at what took place between Lotus, Quattro, and Excel. OR better yet, look what happened with MS's Hotmail. Sooner or later either a good product wins out or the media crowns its own king.
Novell is not still around because of their advertising and neither is Linux. They are products which have proven to be more stable in many respects.
As long as coding has been mentioned (and democracy in a different thread), why not a mixed system of the Jury and the Masses. I can understand the need to draw the line between moderating a list and commenting in it. At the same time, being there is the power of SQL behind the system, why not include a bit of moderation by the masses.
There have been a couple of times I have read through 100 comments on a topic of interest where I got bogged down in minor flames which went on for 20+ comments. It would have been nice to be able to vote for removal of off-topic pointless ramble. If after 200 readers, a post reaches a vote of 50%+ for removal, then it gets cleared (that is 200 non-anonymoose readers and votes).
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Initially (based on what I found at the sight), I thought it was going to be a good tool which I could use under both windows and linux to do my coding. But when you get to the point of downloading, NT is the platform rather than plain win 9x and above.
I would like a tool which I can run the same way in both linux and win 9x. I develope for both, but only having the ide in one is a bit of a drag while debugging.
> 1. No pointer.
Well, yes and no. Yes, there are no pointer, but via proper code you can accomplish the same thing.
> 3. Strings are a class!!!
This was done so they can be extensable. It is part of the java programming paradigm.
> 4. Java treats everything like an object.
OOP
Java is an interesting attempt at highly portable language with strong internet potential. Microsoft has done a great job at befouling the water, but so has Sun and other big players like HP. It still has not reached its goal of being a safe/cross-platform solution. (Just try any healthy sized code under windows)
C is a good core language. The paradigm shift which C++ trys to bring about does fine. The only thing lacking is a simple UI developement piece (which I think python fills the bill for the cross platform arena).
Actually, the article is helpful at a couple of levels.
1. As stated, for a non-linux user who has never gone through a text based X windows installation only to find they need to know what their graphics card's clock is, then this was a well targetted piece.
2. For those who have tested the waters with only one distribution, this is an ok article for stating some surface level differences without going into great detail.
3. For the developer, this is a honest look at what warm fuzzies appear to be important to those who will never look under the hood. It does not take a rocket scientist to use a word processer and spreadsheet, but it people equate *nix with rocket science then it will be a hard sell to get it out as a desktop solution for office staff.
I like it when a review is an honest statement of what happened when the product was used. It more helpful than a sales pitch. It gives a better feel for the road ahead.
Initially, I used NT because it was simple to create accounts and setup for web use. This was before I had to create a hundred accounts at a time. It was also before I needed to implement virtual domains from a single system.
With a bit of reading and knowledge of scripting (hopefully skills common to most system admins), it was a piece of cake to accomplish this on a linux box. Mind you, I did not start this quest on linux. First I attempted to do this on NT. After many days of reading, an surfing, I found the only way to accomplish these tasks under NT appeared to involve purchasing additional software.
Being I did not have money in a budget (they don't even give me a budget), I thought I had nothing to lose by attempting to set up a linux system with a friend's copy of RedHat 5.0. Within hours of the installation, I found the information I needed for both the user account problem and the web issues. This was about three years ago. Due to Microsoft "features" which relates to their virtual networking and security scheme, I have been forced to choose between peopling a helpdesk from my bloated budget or shifting my servers over to non-NT.
The truth is, MS support is a Secret Art. Even texts by the bigger named publishing companies don't shy away from stating this in their training tomes. The problem is they are not trying to be funny; they are talking about MS's testing relative to their stated objectives.
I don't know it all about MS or Linux, but at least with Linux there are some great resources out their in both printed and electronic form. Too often the NT answer is, "Oh you want one of those, well, we sell that for...". Take your pick. E-mail is a prime example. Better yet, consider the cost of NT based on a per client basis (especially under their new licensing scheme for 2000).
The concept is that in the case of a student, the scope of knowledge is too limited to contain enough new content to be anything other than a mild derivative.
In the case of art, there is a percentage of difference which must exist before a derivative is considered to be beyond copyright infringement.
Speaking as one who has faced this issue at a different level, yes the institutions claim to own ALL the student's knowledge while they are enrolled. I have been in on the legal discussions. I do not agree with it, but I do not have the money to fight it.
While part of the institution you are intellectually drawing from your association with said institution therefore (student, janitor, or network supervisor) you are intellectually a part of the institution and can not sell any such propertity without the institution getting it's cut.
I agree, planning is the key.
But take the concept one step further. There is nothing particularly Gnomish or KDEish about a PIM. Nor is there something particularly Windozish or PDAish. But the truth is there is a certain look and feel you want out of an application dependant upon the final "run time" envirnment. You can run a text based PIM under Gnome, but it sure would not be pretty.
Plan the core code for the widest possible distribution, then produce the user interface/windows manager interface seperately.
The day Sun gets Star Office for win freely distributed the way AOL flooded the magazine racks is the day the streets will be filled with ms blood.
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I would rather see client-side products, but as currently configured Cyber Patrol is McCarthyism. The innocent are burned with the tainted. I may not want my child accessing some of the stuff that is out there, but at the same time I would not want my business to suffer because some company who is crying "nazi" is not too careful about who they point the finger at.
I went to www.cyberpatrol.com. They have a search / submit link for finding out if you are banned. Unfortunately, I do not trust their answer. If their search engine is a sloppy as their exclusion policy, then it may be that my site itself is not banned, but my ISP is.
"THIS SOFTWARE IS SOLD AS IS, WITHOUT WARRANTY OF ANY KIND" This is the new way of saying, "This software is not guaranteed to function in any way." These are both software license phrases found on almost all packages. This is how Microsoft can produce highly disfunctional code, sell it and force you to pay for "upgrades". If software were cars it would be like buying a car then buying an upgrade to fix the "only turns left 4 out of 7 times" bug.
In the auto industry, they have lemon laws. If the law defended the software purchaser the same way, MS would be long gone. They have had a memory leak problem in every version of windows so far. That is a design fault. They should have a recall of all those versions. Being they have known about the errors and allowed them to continue to be distributed, this should be criminal negligance.
Rant, rave, gripe, etc..
>> Just my personal opinion, not legal fact.
Just as a programmer can not live on water alone. A single end user should not have to foot the entire bill. The projects which have broader appeal have multiple offerings. Agreed, the "offer withdrawn" clause stinks especially if the manufacturer does not produce open source drivers.
I contacted our Dell rep. regarding a potential order of 10 dual Xeon servers. They said they would get back to me regarding the Linux. This was three weeks ago. The systems were $7900 each, so maybe $79,000 was too little money for them.
There is a simple answer to a vast majority of the porn problem. Require an extension of .xxx and provide a passworded option to block it.
;)
The real problem is trying to provide everyone with my standard of morals
There is no way to block it all. Some of the worst sites are "health" sites such as NYs university of columbia where they tell you how to clean blood and gore from your s&m devices (plus a whole lot more). The internet is like the world--user beware.
Open or closed, it doesn't matter. The religious will make their choice based on beliefs. The uniformed will follow the media maggets. But in the end, choices will be made based on function where it matters. Office Star may be free, but it is a hog which blows up. The price is right, but it has not been more stable than Word. Look at what took place between Lotus, Quattro, and Excel. OR better yet, look what happened with MS's Hotmail. Sooner or later either a good product wins out or the media crowns its own king.
Novell is not still around because of their advertising and neither is Linux. They are products which have proven to be more stable in many respects.
As long as coding has been mentioned (and democracy in a different thread), why not a mixed system of the Jury and the Masses. I can understand the need to draw the line between moderating a list and commenting in it. At the same time, being there is the power of SQL behind the system, why not include a bit of moderation by the masses.
There have been a couple of times I have read through 100 comments on a topic of interest where I got bogged down in minor flames which went on for 20+ comments. It would have been nice to be able to vote for removal of off-topic pointless ramble. If after 200 readers, a post reaches a vote of 50%+ for removal, then it gets cleared (that is 200 non-anonymoose readers and votes).
Just my 2 cents.