Agreed, the point of the example was to indicate that the statement "People are dumb" was unfounded.
PS - if I post a comment 2 mins,/. makes it previewed - great idea. Problem is that the now previewed comment causes the count to go back to zero - so I have to wait 2 more minutes to post. Please fix it./
I think the point is that the SysAdmin need to provide "Do Diligence" before supplying any patch to their "customers".
Microsoft should also provide a level of diligence. Since MS does have access to every customised application you care to use, then it goes down the line to the software providers to ensure their applications do work.
The hard fact is; customers will assume that the application is the problem not the operating system.
I am sure that with the number of Users/Customers(purchasers of MS products) that somewhere out there somebody feels cared for.
I only have a handful of customers - and they all feel cared for (well the should cause I do).
If I am lucky enough to have 1000's I am sure that somewhere out there there will be some that will still vouch for the level of customer care we provide. Some - not all.
One day there will be tradeoffs, and it may come across as not caring when a decision is made, but these decisions, I suspect, will be made so that I can continue existing as a company - so that my staff and I can continue to care for most of customers.
An yet I have to date not experienced any infection, and I have been quite conscious of any attempts by websites attempting to download and run spyware - which I have simply said NO to.
Yes I run other programs to lock down as you say, since I am a professional developer it would be remiss of me not to protect myself and therefore my customers. Because some dumbass wants to run around writing exploits, I prefer not to rely on one form of protection.
What if some guy in a cubical about (how long have we had tabbed browsing?) years ago. Though wouldn't it be cool to put tabs in I.E.,showed it too his boss. His boss says great Idea, sends it to the legal guys to patent. A few months later at the "plannig meeting" he shows it to the marketing guys who laugh and say that 74% of users of IE would never get it. So it gets canned.
Guess you custom application vendors didn't do their job either. Back in 1999-2000 it was my job to test several of our companies 95-98 applications in the W2k environment. Took me about a week to identify the changes to some Kernel api calls and fix them. They got tested and our company rolled out win2k and everyone was happy. (oh yea, microsoft where quite helpful providing support on this). It can be done. Just takes some effort.
My uncle is a PHD in Physcial Education, Business Adminsitration, Philosphy and more, travelled the word advising in various counties (Malaysia, Turkey, USA) on such things as setting up Universities.
He is now retired - and quite frankly is not interested in become a POWER USER. So damn right he wants to be told what he wants.
He is quite happy that he can browser the internet, do video editing and do letter writing. I may well approach him with some great new feature, but I really don't think that it is going to change his "exprience" enough to be worth the time to explain why he should change.
Why do I want downloaded files to automatically saved to my desktop - what's wrong with "My Documents/Fire Fox/Downloads" so I don't get clutter all over my desktop?
I have pop ups blocking (xp sp2)
I do not load "harmful ActiveX controls" but I want to load "useful" ones. In fact as a smart user I wonder how to make them work in FF? If a client of mine tries to use my web form (activex) doesn't see it he will get the shits with me - not his browser. At least in IE (after SP2) I get a message allowing me to CHOOSE to run control.
Google is part of my toolbar.
I have the "Features you are used to" because I got used to them in IE.
Does Firefox have a OCX component so my program can access the internet to display company news and give my clients access to common data areas.
At the moment I use the Webbrowser component which is effectively I.E.
It is true that most of my clients would not be aware of that fact, but if I really want to provide a good service and a tight system, I would need an alternative!
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Wonders what software/vendor supplied the applications on your Linux/Solaris servers?
Yes I did, thank you for your diligence!
Did you know that people that make rational statements regarding Microsoft have also like Bush, Howard and Major!
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Agreed, the point of the example was to indicate that the statement "People are dumb" was unfounded.
/. makes it previewed - great idea. Problem is that the now previewed comment causes the count to go back to zero - so I have to wait 2 more minutes to post. ./
PS - if I post a comment 2 mins,
Please fix it
Sorry, not a Patent Lawyer.
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Since MS doesn't have access to every customised application
I think the point is that the SysAdmin need to provide "Do Diligence" before supplying any patch to their "customers".
Microsoft should also provide a level of diligence. Since MS does have access to every customised application you care to use, then it goes down the line to the software providers to ensure their applications do work.
The hard fact is; customers will assume that the application is the problem not the operating system.
Which User should they care about?
I am sure that with the number of Users/Customers(purchasers of MS products) that somewhere out there somebody feels cared for.
I only have a handful of customers - and they all feel cared for (well the should cause I do).
If I am lucky enough to have 1000's I am sure that somewhere out there there will be some that will still vouch for the level of customer care we provide. Some - not all.
One day there will be tradeoffs, and it may come across as not caring when a decision is made, but these decisions, I suspect, will be made so that I can continue existing as a company - so that my staff and I can continue to care for most of customers.
How come the tabs don't respond to the Tab key?
Sorry that was meant to be a little like : Why don't people Drive on a Drive Way.
An yet I have to date not experienced any infection, and I have been quite conscious of any attempts by websites attempting to download and run spyware - which I have simply said NO to.
Yes I run other programs to lock down as you say, since I am a professional developer it would be remiss of me not to protect myself and therefore my customers. Because some dumbass wants to run around writing exploits, I prefer not to rely on one form of protection.
What if some guy in a cubical about (how long have we had tabbed browsing?) years ago. Though wouldn't it be cool to put tabs in I.E.,showed it too his boss. His boss says great Idea, sends it to the legal guys to patent. A few months later at the "plannig meeting" he shows it to the marketing guys who laugh and say that 74% of users of IE would never get it. So it gets canned.
Is that patent valid?
Thank you big Brother!
The point was the sometimes people no longer feel the need to CHANGE, so there is no eventually really.
And upgrades to open source applications can't do this?
Guess you custom application vendors didn't do their job either. Back in 1999-2000 it was my job to test several of our companies 95-98 applications in the W2k environment. Took me about a week to identify the changes to some Kernel api calls and fix them. They got tested and our company rolled out win2k and everyone was happy. (oh yea, microsoft where quite helpful providing support on this).
It can be done. Just takes some effort.
Here! Here!
People are dumb?
My uncle is a PHD in Physcial Education, Business Adminsitration, Philosphy and more, travelled the word advising in various counties (Malaysia, Turkey, USA) on such things as setting up Universities.
He is now retired - and quite frankly is not interested in become a POWER USER. So damn right he wants to be told what he wants.
He is quite happy that he can browser the internet, do video editing and do letter writing.
I may well approach him with some great new feature, but I really don't think that it is going to change his "exprience" enough to be worth the time to explain why he should change.
Shame on your IT department for not upgrading to XP service pack 2, then your coworker would not have got the popup.
How come the tabs don't respond to the Tab key?
Why do I want downloaded files to automatically saved to my desktop - what's wrong with "My Documents/Fire Fox/Downloads" so I don't get clutter all over my desktop?
I have pop ups blocking (xp sp2)
I do not load "harmful ActiveX controls" but I want to load "useful" ones. In fact as a smart user I wonder how to make them work in FF? If a client of mine tries to use my web form (activex) doesn't see it he will get the shits with me - not his browser.
At least in IE (after SP2) I get a message allowing me to CHOOSE to run control.
Google is part of my toolbar.
I have the "Features you are used to" because I got used to them in IE.
Remember when Homer went to work for his Brother.
Source?
I would think that if 40% worldwide of SP2 installs failing would make some kinda impact on the news sources.
Does Firefox have a OCX component so my program can access the internet to display company news and give my clients access to common data areas.
At the moment I use the Webbrowser component which is effectively I.E.
It is true that most of my clients would not be aware of that fact, but if I really want to provide a good service and a tight system, I would need an alternative!
If nobody entered my home when the doors wheren't locked - then I wouldn't need to buy locks.
Um that's and "Inch Worm" in most peoples books, so really is OK to use.
You are strictly correct, but I think it is an acceptable connection.
Scarier still, sometime they are telling you that you sent them an infected email, so do you reply and thank them, or just ignore.
If you reply are you confirming your Email address to some punk spammer.
If you ignore - can you be sure that you are not infected.
What do you do. What do you do.