Re:What Gundam Wing Is, and Isn't
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Have to agree. If Wing was not associated with Gundam I wouldn't have *that* much of a problem with it.
But then again it would still be very cliched, that being said it still is ^_^
What a shame...
Ollie
Re:Quit with trying to save Gundam Wing...
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That's Yanks (TM), the Japanese were a tad unimpressed with Bandai's unimpressive cunning.
I am just anooyed by how mindless Western audiences are, then again I suppose they hardly know any better
As for *stuff*, shoujo is an overall pervading genre. Bishounen is just a sub-genre within shoujo.
Wing (and anything ephemeral) maybe shounen, but classing "mecha" as a genre is truly a blinkered attitude if ever there was one.
Ollie
Re:Gundam Wing == Transformers??
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You are not far off (I aint a trolling flamer as it is). Transformers was actually nicked from Shoji Kawamori's eponymous "Chojiku Yosai Macross" series (1982).
Gundam's main sponsor, Bandai, ironically made "Zeta Gundam" (1987) a vehicle for transforming Mobile Suits (MS). That being said the transforming sequences were rather weak compared to the deified Macross.
So it is hardly surprising that Wing tries to use the gimmick...
As far as the story goes, Transformers is rather cheesy compared to Wing. But in the grand-scheme-of-things (TM) Wing is even weaker.
Ollie
Quit with trying to save Gundam Wing...
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It is simple:
Gundam Wing is an unoriginal anime milking the Gundam franchise for all it is worth. The mecha designs are farcical (even the designers said so), the plot is hacked from the far superior Zeta Gundam (it has a plot!) and to top it all off they tried patronising women at the same time (come off it how many chicks are gonna wanna watch a mecha show regardless of how pretty the boys are?).
Ollie - now suffering from excessive tedium...
Re:Gundam Wing - it's the dub
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Anime does *generally* sound better in Japanese, but in Wing's case even decent Japanese seiyuu won't be able to save this heaving pile of excrement.
Bepop's dub is unsurprisingly good, especially considering that Watanabe-san overseas all translations (eg - Macross Plus).
1: Yoshiyuki Tomino had nothing to do with its creation - considering he wrote the saga in the first place this is an obvious BAD sign that Bandai are treating it like a damn cash cow.
2: Wing is set in an "Alternate Universe", this basically means that it is just using the name for marketing reasons and the story will have been cloned from a previous (proper) Gundam show (in this case it is Zeta, just in case anyone cares).
3: Most important of all, it is a distinctly shoujo anime (it was originally aimed at getting girls interested in Gundam - hence the poncy costumes and pretty boys - wait till you see Endless Waltz!). Whilst I have no problems with shoujo anime it is out of character for Gundam, in that Gundam is a drama not a pretty boy fest. Even Mamoru Nagano (of Five Star Stories fame) managed to avoid cliches in fusing mecha and shoujo styling - the Wing guys, OTOH, didn't...
If any of you find Wing dull and tedious I recommend you try out some of the older stuff (eg - the old Gundam movies, Zeta Gundam etc.) Whilst it maybe not as aesthetically pleasing, they are ultimately more rewarding viewing.
As far as I can see biology has already pipped the hardware bods to the goal post....now we only need Intel/Microsoft headhunters to make the hardware revolution truly complete Ollie
What being directed by Shinichiro Watanabe-san (Macross Plus, Gundam 0083) Bepop couldn't have gone wrong. The Yoko Kanno score also kicks arse ^_^ Ollie
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Have to agree. If Wing was not associated with Gundam I wouldn't have *that* much of a problem with it.
But then again it would still be very cliched, that being said it still is ^_^
What a shame...
Ollie
That's Yanks (TM), the Japanese were a tad unimpressed with Bandai's unimpressive cunning.
I am just anooyed by how mindless Western audiences are, then again I suppose they hardly know any better
As for *stuff*, shoujo is an overall pervading genre. Bishounen is just a sub-genre within shoujo.
Wing (and anything ephemeral) maybe shounen, but classing "mecha" as a genre is truly a blinkered attitude if ever there was one.
Ollie
You are not far off (I aint a trolling flamer as it is). Transformers was actually nicked from Shoji Kawamori's eponymous "Chojiku Yosai Macross" series (1982).
Gundam's main sponsor, Bandai, ironically made "Zeta Gundam" (1987) a vehicle for transforming Mobile Suits (MS). That being said the transforming sequences were rather weak compared to the deified Macross.
So it is hardly surprising that Wing tries to use the gimmick...
As far as the story goes, Transformers is rather cheesy compared to Wing. But in the grand-scheme-of-things (TM) Wing is even weaker.
Ollie
It is simple:
Gundam Wing is an unoriginal anime milking the Gundam franchise for all it is worth. The mecha designs are farcical (even the designers said so), the plot is hacked from the far superior Zeta Gundam (it has a plot!) and to top it all off they tried patronising women at the same time (come off it how many chicks are gonna wanna watch a mecha show regardless of how pretty the boys are?).
Ollie
- now suffering from excessive tedium...
Anime does *generally* sound better in Japanese, but in Wing's case even decent Japanese seiyuu won't be able to save this heaving pile of excrement.
Bepop's dub is unsurprisingly good, especially considering that Watanabe-san overseas all translations (eg - Macross Plus).
Ollie
Wing is *not* proper Gundam!
Here is why:
1: Yoshiyuki Tomino had nothing to do with its creation - considering he wrote the saga in the first place this is an obvious BAD sign that Bandai are treating it like a damn cash cow.
2: Wing is set in an "Alternate Universe", this basically means that it is just using the name for marketing reasons and the story will have been cloned from a previous (proper) Gundam show (in this case it is Zeta, just in case anyone cares).
3: Most important of all, it is a distinctly shoujo anime (it was originally aimed at getting girls interested in Gundam - hence the poncy costumes and pretty boys - wait till you see Endless Waltz!). Whilst I have no problems with shoujo anime it is out of character for Gundam, in that Gundam is a drama not a pretty boy fest. Even Mamoru Nagano (of Five Star Stories fame) managed to avoid cliches in fusing mecha and shoujo styling - the Wing guys, OTOH, didn't...
If any of you find Wing dull and tedious I recommend you try out some of the older stuff (eg - the old Gundam movies, Zeta Gundam etc.) Whilst it maybe not as aesthetically pleasing, they are ultimately more rewarding viewing.
Ollie
As far as I can see biology has already pipped the hardware bods to the goal post. ...now we only need Intel/Microsoft headhunters to make the hardware revolution truly complete Ollie
What being directed by Shinichiro Watanabe-san (Macross Plus, Gundam 0083) Bepop couldn't have gone wrong. The Yoko Kanno score also kicks arse ^_^ Ollie