Has anyone had any luck working out there need to sleep with their employeer. I mean buy this for example. I find that NO matter what time I go to bed, "naturally" I wake up at 8:00am, and I am ready to function for the day. Unfortunately, my employeer requires that I am sitting in my cube by 8:00am which generally means I need to be up by 6:45, which I find to be way way outside my sleep apttern, and I find I am unable to make any adjustment to put that into my sleep pattern. One would figure after 3+years if I was gonna adjust I would have by now. So has anyone been able to convince their boss that the "corprate" get to work by this time standard doesn't work for them, and they would be much more productive if they could sleep say an hour later, and get in at 9:00am. Never mind that the 8:30-9:00am commute to work, would have less traffic hassles as well. Making me much more relaxed and ready for the day when I got here.
Just curious if there exists any instuctions on how to get exceed setup to connect to the Linux X server, I do it all the time here to connect to solaris boxes, but the same connect strings adjusted to to connect to the linux xterm don't seem to work.
I was interested to know, the rational behind the recent losses on the open source front that were directly connected with Sun. That being that the Solaris code is no longer available, and there is no x86 support in Solaris 9?
...I know whats holing it up in New England, its spelled V-e-r-i-z-o-n...
Amoung other interested companies, why provide high speed service to the customer, and better infrastructure, when you can turn enormous profit and treat the customer like shit,because well where else they gonna go. Even Broadband modem is just plain stupid, they can go much faster, and this game playing with TOS contracts, and you can do this but not that is rediculous. Stop protecting the entrenched old guard, give us high speed connections(fiber, they can do it they just don't want to) to the home, let us buy IP6 Schemes(more than enough space there) to put on them, nd get out of the way. I should be able to get 100mps to the home, cram all the data I want down that pipe, and support everything I want to do(Telephone, Servers, Video, etc) off the one line or a 39.95 flat rate. If the local Telco won't do it the Cable-Co should, hell they are putting fiber on the Poles to support Digital cable, just tkae it to the next step. 'nuff said.
Its not the govenments job to monitor your kids, its your job to monitor your kids, and teach them the difference between right and wrong, and whats good and bad. I am joking, and if your comment was a joke, I didn't at all take it as such. It really isn't the job of govenment to do these things its your job as a parent. My parents "Always" knew where I was when I was kid. I had to tell them, and if I wasn't where i was supposed to be, doing what i was supposed to be doing, there was hell to pay. It was the fear of hell to pay that kept me generally on the stight and narrow. If I got sent to my room it was a punishment. No TV, no Video games, no stereo, or any of that just isolation and time to think about what I did.
The thing is its the exact opposite of what I am taking about. To really make this work the Streamer(in this case MOD_MP3) needs to beable to take a list of mixed format files. Then read that list and stream them out the client. I strugled with this for a while, but finally came to understand, where the confusion was coming from.
Please correct me if I am wrong, but Mod_mp3 is actually sending the files to client. So if I create a playlist.m3u and specify MP3playlist playlist.m3u in the mp3.conf file when Mod_MP3 starts up it reads the file into memory, and then waits for a client connection. When the client connects Mod_MP3 says ok here comes the first file and starts sending it. It assumes the client as asking for files in.mp3 format unless the ?type=.ogg is passed as part of the connect string. If this is passed it then assumes the client only wants.ogg files. Therefore the reason why it trips and can't play mixed format playlists(to clarify I am not talking about a playlist of files requested by a client, I am talking about the internal playlist in playlist.m3u) I am not interested for this project in the clients issuing ?op= commands to view and choose from the available files I just want them to connect and take what the server gives to them. I have also noticed that Mod_mp3 can't start a feed mid stream it starts over in the playlist for each new client that connects.
Winamp or similar is doing basically the opposite it reads the playlist of files its told to play and then can stream them back out to a recieveing source such as shoutcast which can then send them back out to the world. Winamp is reading the files in and playing them back, but at the same time through the streaming component sends the output as input in only one format to shoutcast to be sent back out agian. When I started I had hoped that I could eliminate the middle man by providing the playlist(which could be updated the same way one can add to the winamp playlist while its running) as a file to Mod_mp3 it would then "shout" them back out much the same as shoutcast/icecast do. Infact this is what it even appears to do until more than one format is put in the playlist. Its missing the internal conversion that is accomplished by what I did last night passing the files through winamp and then to shoutcast. This is still not ideal however, since it does support multipule file formats, but I can't easily code a web front end to add files to that winamp playlist.
Honestly I am only a web coder and know very little of C/C++ on the level that it takes to code such programs as winamp/mod_mp3 my job path took me away from that area over years so my skill in that area is very erroded, especially since I have not kept up over the years. So I really have been looking for a widget that fit into the back end side of what I am doing, and hoping to find the one size fits all soution which might not exist or for that matter even be possible.
For the Record if anyone is interested I can state the design goal(and I am thinking it might even be a good shake off the rust project were I to try to code it).
A program that can read a playlist which can be added to while the program is running. Ideally can be run from a command line, doesn't really need a GUI because its data is all those mp3s/oggs/or other format that might come along, and the playlist file which is intended to be added to/deleted from via another process such as a PHP/PERL/ASP/CGI script from a web site. It should do at least one of three things.
1. "shout" the files out onto a network port that a client connects to like a shoutcast/icecast server does.
2. Decode and then send the files to shoutcast/idecast like Winamp does, so the "ICY/Shout" protocol takes care of the rest.
3. Offer the files up like Mod_Mp3 does, but send them in such a way that the end client isn't concerned with the file type.
A note that there are programs that are avaiible, Idecast,IceS and Mod_mp3, that are almost capable of doing these things but each is missing one little piece of the equation.
Icecast/Shoutcast, currently has no support for Ogg, and in the current versions I can't see anyway of feeding it a changing playlist while it is running.
IceS, Currently no support for Oggs, but I am sure thats coming. Also I still see no way of sending it playlist changes while its running.
Mod_Mp3 really seems the best of the Crop for bing close to what is needed, in that it does support both formats, but can't handle a mixed playlist. It also seems to lack the facility for changing the playlist while its running.
Last night while toying with ideas on how to proceed, while waiting to see if Question would make Ask Slashdot, I discovered something that does work after a fashion anyway. I setup shoutcast on the server(Linux). I am feeding shoutcast with Winamp's(NT) streaming component, from a playlist of all the MP3's and OGG's on the server. Winamp seems to be able to make the change back an forth between the two formats as it sends the data to Shoutcast(and presumably Icecast.) I can then pick up the stream on another winamp session(or freeamp or XMMS) on another machine. So it is possible in a way to do what I want if there existed a program that could do what winamp does, and have its playlist populated by a web interface while it is running.
...very interesrting they would comment on the Linux need for Virus Sccanners. I can't seem to find a Linux Virus Scanning Engine on the site anymore...there was one once...
Well how about if you provider is the only game in town(and please name the town with more than one cable system available to any random house)...you can't get DSL, and the Provider has these stupid clauses...and they only offer residential grade service, no business grade...frnakly I would pay more for a business grade line if the charges were reasonable say $100/MO, and it offered me, lower latency, higher bandwidth/throughput, and I could legitimately run the things I want too(really I just want my DNS, and Web ports back)...
OK...simple fact...becuase my company is builing VPN right now, and I have been in the middle of reasearching this stuff anyway...
Listen closely....
THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE! The cable compnaies are just screwing the end customer. They want that higher rate because you likely to use more bandwidth.
I Say this over and over...we need laws(because it seems like the only thing anyone listens to anymore, Commone sense, is dead in this country) that state to bandwidth providers, that that is what they do, and they can't control what you do with the bandwidth....especially since there is no DIFFERENCE!
with an 800 Pound Gun of course....
Now that I have your attention....
Do you believe as I do that the way to handle things, isn't really what many other people propose time and time again...spilt up(that was shot down), open code(I love open source too, but its not how their business model is built its never gonna happen), legal(well this gets us more discussion than progress obviously)...
Would you agree that the true path to the M$ promised land, is enforced interoperability...
In otherwords force them to play on the same field that everyone else does, having to make their widgets works with everyone else widgets, and making them face penalties for breaking things(what they call embrace and extend)...
An example it is well known that M$ would like to drop legacy support for the SMB/CIFS way of doing things for network sharing....this would of course break SAMBA with a large part of the community outside of M$ land depends on for interoperating with M$ systems...I would propose that if they do this they must be held accountable for providing whatever is needed to impliment their new protocol to the community.
I guess naother way of saying it, they should be forced to OPEN standards, and implimentations. Since open code is not an option really...
I have that running on the server in qestion, back to the same basic problem...26, well really 22 drive letters....200 CD's and this driver needs to mount them as a letter...the driver is also, beta, unsupported, and somewhat unstable....
Been there done that in both cases.
The MSKB and technet got a good three over, by myself and 4 other people in my group....MS simply does not support this....
We are often given the ISO images from the start, and not te CD's nd there are frequent changes to the contents of the ISO's. There for easier to mount unmount with the new editions.
NO....we have 200GB on the Windows box, they will NOT buy another box nor will our datacenter(whom all servers must be supported by due to 24/7/365 requirements) support any OS by Windows.
All the guy asked is does anyone know of a case designed this way...
We all know of the drive bay plug answers, and other such stuff and there is always the dremel tool solution, but if would be nice to know if there is a case that already fits the need. which amoung the 30+ answers no one really says...
I assume for ease of use for the common student, that these machines are running an M$ OS...easy solution, in that case. Microsoft SMS Server. It has a software inventory, and metering component, which can be setup to tell machines what they are and are not allowed to run. Simplely set that up tell the Machines they are not allowed to run various Email clients, such as outlook.exe ect...if the students try to get around it by renaming that will not work either because the system looks at internal names, not physical names. You could also use windows policy files to accomplish the same effect.
...this me too, mentality that corporations have to glom onto someone elses good idea and try to make money, but at the same time make up their own rules for the whole thing, is totally out of control. They just keep taking cracks at this stuff, it never really works out because the real target consumer knows there is something better(Un-restricted MP3's, Ogg), cheaper(Free), and easier(name your P2P). Gnutella, and Napster et al, have good concepts, but the concept isn't to make money. Hell the distrubution medium(The Internet) was never ment to make money, just share information...things have always been free on the net, and always will be, I remember my best friend downloading Rush, Counterparts in college in Sun.au format in the early 90's it wasn't perfect, because at the time it had to be converted to.wav becuase we couldn't find a.au player for dos/windows, but it was out there.
Actually there are alot of companies that do this...
The one I am at enforces IE because it allows them to use the pass through security on internal sites...that doesn't work with any other browser...all the IIS servers are set to accept NT Challenge response only, basic Auth is truned off.
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Has anyone had any luck working out there need to sleep with their employeer. I mean buy this for example. I find that NO matter what time I go to bed, "naturally" I wake up at 8:00am, and I am ready to function for the day. Unfortunately, my employeer requires that I am sitting in my cube by 8:00am which generally means I need to be up by 6:45, which I find to be way way outside my sleep apttern, and I find I am unable to make any adjustment to put that into my sleep pattern. One would figure after 3+years if I was gonna adjust I would have by now. So has anyone been able to convince their boss that the "corprate" get to work by this time standard doesn't work for them, and they would be much more productive if they could sleep say an hour later, and get in at 9:00am. Never mind that the 8:30-9:00am commute to work, would have less traffic hassles as well. Making me much more relaxed and ready for the day when I got here.
Just curious if there exists any instuctions on how to get exceed setup to connect to the Linux X server, I do it all the time here to connect to solaris boxes, but the same connect strings adjusted to to connect to the linux xterm don't seem to work.
I was interested to know, the rational behind the recent losses on the open source front that were directly connected with Sun. That being that the Solaris code is no longer available, and there is no x86 support in Solaris 9?
...I know whats holing it up in New England, its spelled V-e-r-i-z-o-n...
Amoung other interested companies, why provide high speed service to the customer, and better infrastructure, when you can turn enormous profit and treat the customer like shit,because well where else they gonna go. Even Broadband modem is just plain stupid, they can go much faster, and this game playing with TOS contracts, and you can do this but not that is rediculous. Stop protecting the entrenched old guard, give us high speed connections(fiber, they can do it they just don't want to) to the home, let us buy IP6 Schemes(more than enough space there) to put on them, nd get out of the way. I should be able to get 100mps to the home, cram all the data I want down that pipe, and support everything I want to do(Telephone, Servers, Video, etc) off the one line or a 39.95 flat rate. If the local Telco won't do it the Cable-Co should, hell they are putting fiber on the Poles to support Digital cable, just tkae it to the next step. 'nuff said.
Its not the govenments job to monitor your kids, its your job to monitor your kids, and teach them the difference between right and wrong, and whats good and bad. I am joking, and if your comment was a joke, I didn't at all take it as such. It really isn't the job of govenment to do these things its your job as a parent. My parents "Always" knew where I was when I was kid. I had to tell them, and if I wasn't where i was supposed to be, doing what i was supposed to be doing, there was hell to pay. It was the fear of hell to pay that kept me generally on the stight and narrow. If I got sent to my room it was a punishment. No TV, no Video games, no stereo, or any of that just isolation and time to think about what I did.
The Govenement gets a gold star today for taking a positive step towards protecting Citizens rights that puts the score at 4 for and 90000 against.
let me know how it comes out...as it may be useful for what I am doing in my project.
Exactly...then in the end it shouldn't matter at all...what kind's of files are in the playlist.m3u on the server.
ogg support? I don't see that listed on the Web page?
The thing is its the exact opposite of what I am taking about. To really make this work the Streamer(in this case MOD_MP3) needs to beable to take a list of mixed format files. Then read that list and stream them out the client. I strugled with this for a while, but finally came to understand, where the confusion was coming from.
.mp3 format unless the ?type=.ogg is passed as part of the connect string. If this is passed it then assumes the client only wants .ogg files. Therefore the reason why it trips and can't play mixed format playlists(to clarify I am not talking about a playlist of files requested by a client, I am talking about the internal playlist in playlist.m3u) I am not interested for this project in the clients issuing ?op= commands to view and choose from the available files I just want them to connect and take what the server gives to them. I have also noticed that Mod_mp3 can't start a feed mid stream it starts over in the playlist for each new client that connects.
Please correct me if I am wrong, but Mod_mp3 is actually sending the files to client. So if I create a playlist.m3u and specify MP3playlist playlist.m3u in the mp3.conf file when Mod_MP3 starts up it reads the file into memory, and then waits for a client connection. When the client connects Mod_MP3 says ok here comes the first file and starts sending it. It assumes the client as asking for files in
Winamp or similar is doing basically the opposite it reads the playlist of files its told to play and then can stream them back out to a recieveing source such as shoutcast which can then send them back out to the world. Winamp is reading the files in and playing them back, but at the same time through the streaming component sends the output as input in only one format to shoutcast to be sent back out agian. When I started I had hoped that I could eliminate the middle man by providing the playlist(which could be updated the same way one can add to the winamp playlist while its running) as a file to Mod_mp3 it would then "shout" them back out much the same as shoutcast/icecast do. Infact this is what it even appears to do until more than one format is put in the playlist. Its missing the internal conversion that is accomplished by what I did last night passing the files through winamp and then to shoutcast. This is still not ideal however, since it does support multipule file formats, but I can't easily code a web front end to add files to that winamp playlist.
Honestly I am only a web coder and know very little of C/C++ on the level that it takes to code such programs as winamp/mod_mp3 my job path took me away from that area over years so my skill in that area is very erroded, especially since I have not kept up over the years. So I really have been looking for a widget that fit into the back end side of what I am doing, and hoping to find the one size fits all soution which might not exist or for that matter even be possible.
For the Record if anyone is interested I can state the design goal(and I am thinking it might even be a good shake off the rust project were I to try to code it).
A program that can read a playlist which can be added to while the program is running. Ideally can be run from a command line, doesn't really need a GUI because its data is all those mp3s/oggs/or other format that might come along, and the playlist file which is intended to be added to/deleted from via another process such as a PHP/PERL/ASP/CGI script from a web site. It should do at least one of three things.
1. "shout" the files out onto a network port that a client connects to like a shoutcast/icecast server does.
2. Decode and then send the files to shoutcast/idecast like Winamp does, so the "ICY/Shout" protocol takes care of the rest.
3. Offer the files up like Mod_Mp3 does, but send them in such a way that the end client isn't concerned with the file type.
A note that there are programs that are avaiible, Idecast,IceS and Mod_mp3, that are almost capable of doing these things but each is missing one little piece of the equation.
Icecast/Shoutcast, currently has no support for Ogg, and in the current versions I can't see anyway of feeding it a changing playlist while it is running.
IceS, Currently no support for Oggs, but I am sure thats coming. Also I still see no way of sending it playlist changes while its running.
Mod_Mp3 really seems the best of the Crop for bing close to what is needed, in that it does support both formats, but can't handle a mixed playlist. It also seems to lack the facility for changing the playlist while its running.
Anyway a long brain dump for anyone interested.
Last night while toying with ideas on how to proceed, while waiting to see if Question would make Ask Slashdot, I discovered something that does work after a fashion anyway. I setup shoutcast on the server(Linux). I am feeding shoutcast with Winamp's(NT) streaming component, from a playlist of all the MP3's and OGG's on the server. Winamp seems to be able to make the change back an forth between the two formats as it sends the data to Shoutcast(and presumably Icecast.) I can then pick up the stream on another winamp session(or freeamp or XMMS) on another machine. So it is possible in a way to do what I want if there existed a program that could do what winamp does, and have its playlist populated by a web interface while it is running.
...very interesrting they would comment on the Linux need for Virus Sccanners. I can't seem to find a Linux Virus Scanning Engine on the site anymore...there was one once...
OK,
Well how about if you provider is the only game in town(and please name the town with more than one cable system available to any random house)...you can't get DSL, and the Provider has these stupid clauses...and they only offer residential grade service, no business grade...frnakly I would pay more for a business grade line if the charges were reasonable say $100/MO, and it offered me, lower latency, higher bandwidth/throughput, and I could legitimately run the things I want too(really I just want my DNS, and Web ports back)...
I'll take a hit for this, but...
YOU SIR ARE A FUCKTARD
Now if you would like to have a rational discussion about why your opnion is wrong..
haplo@epithna.com
OK...simple fact...becuase my company is builing VPN right now, and I have been in the middle of reasearching this stuff anyway...
Listen closely....
THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE! The cable compnaies are just screwing the end customer. They want that higher rate because you likely to use more bandwidth.
I Say this over and over...we need laws(because it seems like the only thing anyone listens to anymore, Commone sense, is dead in this country) that state to bandwidth providers, that that is what they do, and they can't control what you do with the bandwidth....especially since there is no DIFFERENCE!
with an 800 Pound Gun of course....
Now that I have your attention....
Do you believe as I do that the way to handle things, isn't really what many other people propose time and time again...spilt up(that was shot down), open code(I love open source too, but its not how their business model is built its never gonna happen), legal(well this gets us more discussion than progress obviously)...
Would you agree that the true path to the M$ promised land, is enforced interoperability...
In otherwords force them to play on the same field that everyone else does, having to make their widgets works with everyone else widgets, and making them face penalties for breaking things(what they call embrace and extend)...
An example it is well known that M$ would like to drop legacy support for the SMB/CIFS way of doing things for network sharing....this would of course break SAMBA with a large part of the community outside of M$ land depends on for interoperating with M$ systems...I would propose that if they do this they must be held accountable for providing whatever is needed to impliment their new protocol to the community.
I guess naother way of saying it, they should be forced to OPEN standards, and implimentations. Since open code is not an option really...
Yes/No? Why?
Unless your version is different than mine it doesn't seem allow doing this...as far as I can see...if you can tell me how...I'd love to know...
I have that running on the server in qestion, back to the same basic problem...26, well really 22 drive letters....200 CD's and this driver needs to mount them as a letter...the driver is also, beta, unsupported, and somewhat unstable....
Been there done that in both cases.
The MSKB and technet got a good three over, by myself and 4 other people in my group....MS simply does not support this....
We are often given the ISO images from the start, and not te CD's nd there are frequent changes to the contents of the ISO's. There for easier to mount unmount with the new editions.
NO....we have 200GB on the Windows box, they will NOT buy another box nor will our datacenter(whom all servers must be supported by due to 24/7/365 requirements) support any OS by Windows.
All the guy asked is does anyone know of a case designed this way...
We all know of the drive bay plug answers, and other such stuff and there is always the dremel tool solution, but if would be nice to know if there is a case that already fits the need. which amoung the 30+ answers no one really says...
I assume for ease of use for the common student, that these machines are running an M$ OS...easy solution, in that case. Microsoft SMS Server. It has a software inventory, and metering component, which can be setup to tell machines what they are and are not allowed to run. Simplely set that up tell the Machines they are not allowed to run various Email clients, such as outlook.exe ect...if the students try to get around it by renaming that will not work either because the system looks at internal names, not physical names. You could also use windows policy files to accomplish the same effect.
...this me too, mentality that corporations have to glom onto someone elses good idea and try to make money, but at the same time make up their own rules for the whole thing, is totally out of control. They just keep taking cracks at this stuff, it never really works out because the real target consumer knows there is something better(Un-restricted MP3's, Ogg), cheaper(Free), and easier(name your P2P). Gnutella, and Napster et al, have good concepts, but the concept isn't to make money. Hell the distrubution medium(The Internet) was never ment to make money, just share information...things have always been free on the net, and always will be, I remember my best friend downloading Rush, Counterparts in college in Sun .au format in the early 90's it wasn't perfect, because at the time it had to be converted to .wav becuase we couldn't find a .au player for dos/windows, but it was out there.
Actually there are alot of companies that do this...
The one I am at enforces IE because it allows them to use the pass through security on internal sites...that doesn't work with any other browser...all the IIS servers are set to accept NT Challenge response only, basic Auth is truned off.