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I feel that consumption at present rates coupled with uncontrolled population growth is the problem. We have got to choose something soon: Either curb population growth, or seriously reduce needless consumption (get our priorities straight - as a global community). I wont even guess at 'what is the right amount of consumption" - but what I will say it is: much less than now.
externality of pollution goes away We can push back the overall negative effects with cleaner power generation - but EVENTUALLY we will have to start making the hard choices... why put it off and take chances or leave it for our children to deal with? Its simply irresponsible.
I too have never had a problem making a phone call. I pay about $0.10 for LD. While you pay about $0.12 (if you say you pay $0.08 US)... and so do the other 30 Million members of my community (there are multiple suppliers - so some may pay differently) Can you say the same for every Yankee?
I agree with you... Day is a cultist nutball - damn scary. Im not sure Id disagree with you about the liberals, thats why Im voting NDP or Green. But Im 'mostly' okay with them for another term, besides at the rate they're calling elections it might just be a few months;)
go through the gov't to file a complaint against Videotron's crappy cable service. More paperwork, more bullshit, more downtime.
Either you are a simple troll or you dont live in Canada. When I have a problem with my phone, I phone my phone company. When I have a problem with my gas, water, insurance - WHATEVER - I phone my supplier. Your statement is sheer BS & FUD, you'd think you worked for the American Government Propoganda Dept. in order to convince Americans that regulating business means 'big gomment and bureaucracy' - simple Bullshit. Im tired of all this 'piling on' of our Public Services! The Canadian government and its departments are, for the most, efficient and responsive. They do well with all that we demand of them and they do it efficiently.
For you and everyone else! Rememeber this next time you hear about something happening in Nova Scotia, or Ontario or somewhere else about something completely unrelated.
I have DSL - I think you should too, I will be phoning my member, the Deputy PM no less, and suggest that he address this issue. Please remember to do so next time you hear someone else in Canada getting the shaft on some other issue. You look out for me, Ill look out for you. Remember: Solidarity.
The dregulation of broadband might bother some people for a bit, but would eventually be far better.
Have a look south and see that happens when infrastructure is operated by corporatists. Would you rather we assure healthy competition and high quality service or extreme cometition and no quality? The latter only exists until the eventual industry consolidation and collusion - then we simply end up with; no quality and no competition... then what do we do?
I just don't see broadband as an essential service that needs to be regulated for QoS like the phone network. It's not as if a cable modem outage could cost someone their life
I dont believe they are asserting that it is 'essential' like water, air or clothing. What I believe they (CRTC) wants to assure is that citizens are assured of a reliable, reasonable ($), responsive system. This is a infrastructure issue - where business has to have a commitment to our community if they expect to enjoy the privilage of providing this service. A reasonably run DSL/Cable service, with its priorities in the right place (service, quality and the actual product) can enjoy a stable and reasonable profit. If 'they' are not willing to offer it, I would (as a Canadian) be willing to see it installed using my Tax dollars - I have no problem doing whats right for myself and my neighbours and our collective future. One option being lousy service and an entrenchment of a profit motivated monster -OR- a service owned and operated by the people who use it.
Its nice to see a community do something for the benefit of all - instead of allowing a few (corporatists) to enslave you. One way or other your going to pay for the network, one way you get to own it and make sure it 'serves your interests', the other way someone else owns it and it 'serves their interests'... both ways 'you pay for it' - but only one way you dont get screwed. Interesting paradox is it not.
fix it within 24 hours. When your cable modem goes out (I have @Home) they tell you that they can have someone there in two weeks. TWO WEEKS
Thats because instead of actually building a better infrastructure with a commitment to the citizens it serves; @Home (et al) are concerned with one thing: Profit. They dont give a damn about you or your interests - and if left unchecked they will continue to line their pockets, collect your service charges and allow the service to degrade. Dont like it? Too damn bad - go without.
And when you say 'to hell with these guys im going to ABC Cable' you'll find that they are 'strategic partners' with @Home (like maybe MS & Apple, MS & Corel (so sorry for corel), AOL & TimeWarner, AOL & MSN, GE & NBC, MPAA, RIAA)- and surprise!, have no reason to do anything better... this is the future of every industry if corporatists are left to their devices.
Being able to make your own choices about how to spend your money is a right though
I propose that Americans CHOOSE to spend their money on actual services vs. Advertising, Marketing, Law Purchasing, Lawyers, Accountants, ect ect ect and all the rest of the crap that comes with delivering DSL to people that ADDS NO VALUE to the users.
Let me think: If I did away with the Advertising, Marketing, 80% of Accounting, 80% of Lawyer'-ing', Law Purchasing (buy offs of the Republicrats) for the top 10 DSL providers in the US do you think that would help finance the cost of installing/maintaining/delivering a reliable/reasonably priced DSL service to the citizens?
Remeber, 'competition' also means many people doing the same functions (mentioned above) in many firms... why wouldnt a well regulated industry with lower profits be able to better benefit the citizens?
think about it... were talking about something that cannot benefit from differentiation (like electricity). It is really as simple as delivering water (not technically) - why wouldnt it benefit from collective ownership based solely on providing service to the community?
Let's face it, if you didn't have the US on your border driving down prices through ruthless competition, you'd still be going ga-ga over the pushbutton phone.
Although you are obviously unaware - Canada enjoys the best communications system on the planet, at very reasonable prices, with exceptional quality and reliability of service. This is a product of commitment to providing a service to our community vs providing profit to big business. Case in point: The quality/reliability/price of communications in Canada vs. the quality/reliability/price of communications in the US.
Anyone care to debate which system provides more beneift to the citizens?
Microsoft is obviously not a true monopoly (mono meaning one, Linux, Mac, BeOS, etc. being more than one).
Not to continue the MS is a monopoly debate... ok just a little;) There _are_ other alternatives I know. But in effect MS is just so big and so powerful that it can do as it pleases now. If MS 'played fair' meaning, produced products for all platforms, didnt force OEM's into locked contracts, didnt 'bundle' products to end competition, didnt actively break protocols (embrace/extend) and participated as a peer in setting industry-standard protocols. I dont think regulators would have that big a problem. With the barrier-to-entry being so high (thier market share and these actions) it really ends competition in the industry.
The barrier to entry idea is essential in understanding the logic in the CRTC and considering DSL as essential. Really, who's interests are best served with MS being in the position they are? Citizens or MS? Same case here, with Sympatico (bell DSL) and @Home (cable) - dont you think that first consideration should be given to the interests of Canadian Citizens?
Citizens and their community first (all cases and all instances) Business second (all cases and all instances).
As for higher tax rates, I'll have you know that Alberta is moving to a 10.5% FLAT tax at the start of the new year. There will still be federal tax... but even at its worst, if you live in Alberta you won't pay more than 38% in taxes no matter how much you earn. And look at what you get - space, a clean environment, safety, cheap living expenses, etc.
I live in Ontario, please friend, ask Alberta (and the west) to stop voting Reform (Alliance). I really believe what we will find under the aura of this 'progressive' party who encourages 'change' is an extremely right wing, pro BIG BUSINESS (ala America) group that will very literally sell our Canadian community out. I agree that change is good, and I welcome new ideas with very open arms (the true debate in Canadian policy and politics is refreshing and a great source of pride), but I am not convinced of Mr.Day's intentions and his honest commitment to his fellow Canadians. I am also not disagreeing with the 'flat tax' idea - I feel it deserves analysis and debate...
Government intervention can provide a benefit in one area ( e.g. some subsidized service ), but it is never without a cost at least as great as the benefit ( e.g. higher tax rates ).
What is not happening here is "subsidized service" what the gov' is going to say is "you cannot extort the population into paying high prices without any accountability of reasonable quality service" - I dont know anyone who is willing to say that it there is real competition in the communications industry - sure for your 'provider' but what about the network and physical services? Is it _REALLY_ possible to pick up and move to someone else if the service providers in your area offer 'sub'services? Of course not. These systems must are really part of the essential infrastructure of the country, and in Canada, we care about the community and the general well being of other people, so we therefore say "If you are going to do business here, if you are going to have the opportunity to make 'profit' providing this essential service to our community we ask that you do so with a reasonable level of commitment to the community itself.". Doing business and making profits providing infrastructure services does come with responsibility - not every business should be the free-for-all that American's believe.
In the absence of regulation, people do business wherever it is mutually beneficial. Regulation means that people are prohibited from engaging in some mutually beneficial action, therefore it's bad overall.
This is a display of baseless opinion - please offer some support to this very broad generalized statement. I disagree.
Monopolies are in some respects a different story, but keep in mind that the majority of monopolies are a product of government regulation, not of the free market.
Monopolies also occur through natural processes of capitalism and competition. What happens when a business becomes very successful (in possibly honest ways) where it becomes so large that the barrier to entry into that market is VERY HIGH and this company is able to purchase all the smaller competing businesses in the industry? This is a monopoly - it occurs 'without regulation'. It occurs as the end result of capitalism. I think if you have a look at industry, business in general in America you will see this is very obvious. I do recognize that there are anti-trust laws that will stop situations like this (American Bell split up as an example) but in the last 100 years of hyper-mega-capitalism can you think of many more instances? You are going to find that business has become wise about anti-trust and has managed to buy enough influence in the American government to avoid that in the future. Do you really feel that America's business climate is truly competitive? The level of collusion and 'deal making' (price fixing - 'cooperation' and 'partnerships'1) at all levels is an example that the present businesses are simply coalescing and solidifying into one unit.
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pose no such risk The cost line - say the 100 meters centered where water meets land - is a very important natural space. As you mentioned Dams can block spawning runs ect, but this plan also has a very negative effect of destroying that coast line which seabirds, turtles, rodents, mammals ect ect use. The waters edge is used by many animals - the habitat lost if you lined the coasts with this type of generator would be immense. Animals need a variety of different spaces - and removing coast lines destroys a vital, independant, specific habitat.
I would be very much in favour of renewable, clean sources of energy being developed - this I feel is a very exciting opportunity and technologyBUT what really has to be addressed is the flagrant overconsumption in NorthAmerica. We can increase the amount of power 'till the cows come home' and create it in many clean/viable ways, but when you analyze the issue this does not address the root problem it simply masks it.
Taken from this months Adbuster magazine:...Storms are growing more intense, more frequent. And --Surprise, surprise -- it has something to do with all that buying. As a standard rule of thumb, spending a dollar in our economy uses about a liter of oil. for manufacturing, shipping advertising, running whatever item you've purchased. Not every purchase is equal, obviously. Buying a used bike at a garage sale is different from buying a Ford Exploiter. But as a rule of thumb it works. If you spend, you heat: Hurricanes ' R' Us. Ask yourself these two questions if you want to understand the physical constraints we face: could the six billion people now inhabiting the Earth (soon to be ten billion) all consume like middle-class Americans without overwhelming the planet? If we keep consuming in such a fashion, will they want to try?"
Later it continues:
"...before he went off to Rio de Janeiro for the 1992 Earth Summit, George Bush the Elder said that while he was willing to talk about the environment, "the American way of life is not negotiable." His successor, Bill Clinton, remarked famously that "it's the economy, stupid." Everything we see around us reinforces that message of inevitability: cars get larger each year, and homes too"
Damned corporatist. Take a look at Canada and Sweden... as socialist as they come. Were not evil 3 eyed commies are we? Thank our Christian God were not Communists like those filthy Cubans - Ewwww.
Open your mind. Turn off your Television. You've been polluted. Try READING a little - it may aid in achieving a more balanced an informed opinion.
European governments have become pretty good at suppressing free speech
American Gov/Biz has done a very good job of suppressing Free Thought.
Ever turn on your TV and radio? What about the.COM TLD? The whole bloody lot is a flood of marketing and advertising - at least Europeans are talking about reality, history, hurt and other REAL events and not living in some quasi-euphoric state of consumerism and vapid mind control. Did you know that the rest of the world works much less than Americans? That people actually have time to visit people - ON A WEEKDAY! That when they come home from work they are not so unbelievably stressed that they cannot deal with their spouse/children. People outside of America actually know their neighbours. They have dinner with their families.
Im not condoning censorship by France by any means - but America has serious problems of there own with regards to "Free Speech" they should start thinking about... Here is my non-exhaustive list of 'breaches of freedom' currently endured by Americans:
The 'war' on drugs - and the illegality of reasonable recreational drugs (marijuana and derivatives) Prostitution is illegal - What are you people thinking? Censorship of the Internet at Libraries(!) DeCSS/2600/Judge Kaplan ring a Bell? What about DMCA? What law was Napster really breaking? Humm? What about the prison industry? Do you really like being jailed for profit? Rights of Same Sex couples. Backwards Sodomy laws. The growing 'What about the chiieeeldrreen' sentiment in America (wait for that to finally pop) Age limits to drink alcohol. Swearing in front of children is illegal (cant exactly remember the case/details) What about the corporatist control on your Radio/Television airwaves - not much 'freedom' going on there would you say? I seem to remember your not being allowed to visit or trade with the wonderful people of Cuba - why would that be? But China is 'ok'... puhleeze
Take a look around - what seems normal/reasonable/'ok' to you (because you are so close to 'it') looks like horrible oppression and breaches of your REAL Freedoms. What all the worlds citizens have to realize is that we must band together and protect everyone's rights - and assure that the world is organized for the benefit of all.. both France and America has problems to deal with.* But relatively speaking - who do you think is really 'Free'?
*Steaming from Corporate control of the Worlds Democracies. (but that is clearly outside the scope of this post).
Don't forget to tell all your friends in Greenpeace how well you think the French Government defends the rights of minorities and their political perspectives.
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I feel that consumption at present rates coupled with uncontrolled population growth is the problem. We have got to choose something soon: Either curb population growth, or seriously reduce needless consumption (get our priorities straight - as a global community). I wont even guess at 'what is the right amount of consumption" - but what I will say it is: much less than now.
externality of pollution goes away
We can push back the overall negative effects with cleaner power generation - but EVENTUALLY we will have to start making the hard choices... why put it off and take chances or leave it for our children to deal with? Its simply irresponsible.
I too have never had a problem making a phone call. I pay about $0.10 for LD. While you pay about $0.12 (if you say you pay $0.08 US)... and so do the other 30 Million members of my community (there are multiple suppliers - so some may pay differently) Can you say the same for every Yankee?
I agree with you... Day is a cultist nutball - damn scary. ;)
Im not sure Id disagree with you about the liberals, thats why Im voting NDP or Green. But Im 'mostly' okay with them for another term, besides at the rate they're calling elections it might just be a few months
Where do you live?
go through the gov't to file a complaint against Videotron's crappy cable service. More paperwork, more bullshit, more downtime.
Either you are a simple troll or you dont live in Canada. When I have a problem with my phone, I phone my phone company. When I have a problem with my gas, water, insurance - WHATEVER - I phone my supplier. Your statement is sheer BS & FUD, you'd think you worked for the American Government Propoganda Dept. in order to convince Americans that regulating business means 'big gomment and bureaucracy' - simple Bullshit. Im tired of all this 'piling on' of our Public Services! The Canadian government and its departments are, for the most, efficient and responsive. They do well with all that we demand of them and they do it efficiently.
For you and everyone else! Rememeber this next time you hear about something happening in Nova Scotia, or Ontario or somewhere else about something completely unrelated.
I have DSL - I think you should too, I will be phoning my member, the Deputy PM no less, and suggest that he address this issue. Please remember to do so next time you hear someone else in Canada getting the shaft on some other issue. You look out for me, Ill look out for you. Remember: Solidarity.
The dregulation of broadband might bother some people for a bit, but would eventually be far better.
Have a look south and see that happens when infrastructure is operated by corporatists. Would you rather we assure healthy competition and high quality service or extreme cometition and no quality? The latter only exists until the eventual industry consolidation and collusion - then we simply end up with; no quality and no competition... then what do we do?
I just don't see broadband as an essential service that needs to be regulated for QoS like the phone network. It's not as if a cable modem outage could cost someone their life
I dont believe they are asserting that it is 'essential' like water, air or clothing. What I believe they (CRTC) wants to assure is that citizens are assured of a reliable, reasonable ($), responsive system. This is a infrastructure issue - where business has to have a commitment to our community if they expect to enjoy the privilage of providing this service. A reasonably run DSL/Cable service, with its priorities in the right place (service, quality and the actual product) can enjoy a stable and reasonable profit. If 'they' are not willing to offer it, I would (as a Canadian) be willing to see it installed using my Tax dollars - I have no problem doing whats right for myself and my neighbours and our collective future. One option being lousy service and an entrenchment of a profit motivated monster -OR- a service owned and operated by the people who use it.
Its nice to see a community do something for the benefit of all - instead of allowing a few (corporatists) to enslave you.
One way or other your going to pay for the network, one way you get to own it and make sure it 'serves your interests', the other way someone else owns it and it 'serves their interests'... both ways 'you pay for it' - but only one way you dont get screwed. Interesting paradox is it not.
fix it within 24 hours. When your cable modem goes out (I have @Home) they tell you that they can have someone there in two weeks. TWO WEEKS
Thats because instead of actually building a better infrastructure with a commitment to the citizens it serves; @Home (et al) are concerned with one thing: Profit. They dont give a damn about you or your interests - and if left unchecked they will continue to line their pockets, collect your service charges and allow the service to degrade. Dont like it? Too damn bad - go without.
And when you say 'to hell with these guys im going to ABC Cable' you'll find that they are 'strategic partners' with @Home (like maybe MS & Apple, MS & Corel (so sorry for corel), AOL & TimeWarner, AOL & MSN, GE & NBC, MPAA, RIAA)- and surprise!, have no reason to do anything better... this is the future of every industry if corporatists are left to their devices.
Being able to make your own choices about how to spend your money is a right though
I propose that Americans CHOOSE to spend their money on actual services vs. Advertising, Marketing, Law Purchasing, Lawyers, Accountants, ect ect ect and all the rest of the crap that comes with delivering DSL to people that ADDS NO VALUE to the users.
Let me think: If I did away with the Advertising, Marketing, 80% of Accounting, 80% of Lawyer'-ing', Law Purchasing (buy offs of the Republicrats) for the top 10 DSL providers in the US do you think that would help finance the cost of installing/maintaining/delivering a reliable/reasonably priced DSL service to the citizens?
Remeber, 'competition' also means many people doing the same functions (mentioned above) in many firms... why wouldnt a well regulated industry with lower profits be able to better benefit the citizens?
think about it... were talking about something that cannot benefit from differentiation (like electricity). It is really as simple as delivering water (not technically) - why wouldnt it benefit from collective ownership based solely on providing service to the community?
I am raising a family of 6
Have you ever heard of BIRTH CONTROL or POPULATION EXPLOSION/ENVIRONMENT?
Let's face it, if you didn't have the US on your border driving down prices through ruthless competition, you'd still be going ga-ga over the pushbutton phone.
Although you are obviously unaware - Canada enjoys the best communications system on the planet, at very reasonable prices, with exceptional quality and reliability of service. This is a product of commitment to providing a service to our community vs providing profit to big business. Case in point: The quality/reliability/price of communications in Canada vs. the quality/reliability/price of communications in the US.
Anyone care to debate which system provides more beneift to the citizens?
Microsoft is obviously not a true monopoly (mono meaning one, Linux, Mac, BeOS, etc. being more than one).
;)
Not to continue the MS is a monopoly debate... ok just a little
There _are_ other alternatives I know. But in effect MS is just so big and so powerful that it can do as it pleases now. If MS 'played fair' meaning, produced products for all platforms, didnt force OEM's into locked contracts, didnt 'bundle' products to end competition, didnt actively break protocols (embrace/extend) and participated as a peer in setting industry-standard protocols. I dont think regulators would have that big a problem. With the barrier-to-entry being so high (thier market share and these actions) it really ends competition in the industry.
The barrier to entry idea is essential in understanding the logic in the CRTC and considering DSL as essential. Really, who's interests are best served with MS being in the position they are? Citizens or MS? Same case here, with Sympatico (bell DSL) and @Home (cable) - dont you think that first consideration should be given to the interests of Canadian Citizens?
Citizens and their community first (all cases and all instances)
Business second (all cases and all instances).
As for higher tax rates, I'll have you know that Alberta is moving to a 10.5% FLAT tax at the start of the new year. There will still be federal tax... but even at its worst, if you live in Alberta you won't pay more than 38% in taxes no matter how much you earn. And look at what you get - space, a clean environment, safety, cheap living expenses, etc.
I live in Ontario, please friend, ask Alberta (and the west) to stop voting Reform (Alliance). I really believe what we will find under the aura of this 'progressive' party who encourages 'change' is an extremely right wing, pro BIG BUSINESS (ala America) group that will very literally sell our Canadian community out. I agree that change is good, and I welcome new ideas with very open arms (the true debate in Canadian policy and politics is refreshing and a great source of pride), but I am not convinced of Mr.Day's intentions and his honest commitment to his fellow Canadians. I am also not disagreeing with the 'flat tax' idea - I feel it deserves analysis and debate...
Also, please read the article at Discover.com and contact your member and ask them to end plurality voting. It looks like the elections people have already had some analysis.
Government intervention can provide a benefit in one area ( e.g. some subsidized service ), but it is never without a cost at least as great as the benefit ( e.g. higher tax rates ).
What is not happening here is "subsidized service" what the gov' is going to say is "you cannot extort the population into paying high prices without any accountability of reasonable quality service" - I dont know anyone who is willing to say that it there is real competition in the communications industry - sure for your 'provider' but what about the network and physical services? Is it _REALLY_ possible to pick up and move to someone else if the service providers in your area offer 'sub'services? Of course not. These systems must are really part of the essential infrastructure of the country, and in Canada, we care about the community and the general well being of other people, so we therefore say "If you are going to do business here, if you are going to have the opportunity to make 'profit' providing this essential service to our community we ask that you do so with a reasonable level of commitment to the community itself.". Doing business and making profits providing infrastructure services does come with responsibility - not every business should be the free-for-all that American's believe.
In the absence of regulation, people do business wherever it is mutually beneficial. Regulation means that people are prohibited from engaging in some mutually beneficial action, therefore it's bad overall.
This is a display of baseless opinion - please offer some support to this very broad generalized statement. I disagree.
Monopolies are in some respects a different story, but keep in mind that the majority of monopolies are a product of government regulation, not of the free market.
Monopolies also occur through natural processes of capitalism and competition. What happens when a business becomes very successful (in possibly honest ways) where it becomes so large that the barrier to entry into that market is VERY HIGH and this company is able to purchase all the smaller competing businesses in the industry? This is a monopoly - it occurs 'without regulation'. It occurs as the end result of capitalism. I think if you have a look at industry, business in general in America you will see this is very obvious. I do recognize that there are anti-trust laws that will stop situations like this (American Bell split up as an example) but in the last 100 years of hyper-mega-capitalism can you think of many more instances? You are going to find that business has become wise about anti-trust and has managed to buy enough influence in the American government to avoid that in the future. Do you really feel that America's business climate is truly competitive? The level of collusion and 'deal making' (price fixing - 'cooperation' and 'partnerships'1) at all levels is an example that the present businesses are simply coalescing and solidifying into one unit.
I suppose it would have been to easy to say "A kid could turn out to be a real daemon under those circumstances..."
:)
micturition
not micturation
Im beginning to think they do it as a joke...
Thats a joke right? If its not, I wont even bother to comment on how beyond reason your statment is...
What is this: "Thought so."? Are you in gradeschool?
Ouch - thats http://www.adbusters.org
Apologies all...
pose no such risk
...Storms are growing more intense, more frequent. And --Surprise, surprise -- it has something to do with all that buying. As a standard rule of thumb, spending a dollar in our economy uses about a liter of oil. for manufacturing, shipping advertising, running whatever item you've purchased. Not every purchase is equal, obviously. Buying a used bike at a garage sale is different from buying a Ford Exploiter. But as a rule of thumb it works. If you spend, you heat: Hurricanes ' R' Us. Ask yourself these two questions if you want to understand the physical constraints we face: could the six billion people now inhabiting the Earth (soon to be ten billion) all consume like middle-class Americans without overwhelming the planet? If we keep consuming in such a fashion, will they want to try?"
The cost line - say the 100 meters centered where water meets land - is a very important natural space. As you mentioned Dams can block spawning runs ect, but this plan also has a very negative effect of destroying that coast line which seabirds, turtles, rodents, mammals ect ect use. The waters edge is used by many animals - the habitat lost if you lined the coasts with this type of generator would be immense. Animals need a variety of different spaces - and removing coast lines destroys a vital, independant, specific habitat.
I would be very much in favour of renewable, clean sources of energy being developed - this I feel is a very exciting opportunity and technology BUT what really has to be addressed is the flagrant overconsumption in NorthAmerica. We can increase the amount of power 'till the cows come home' and create it in many clean/viable ways, but when you analyze the issue this does not address the root problem it simply masks it.
Taken from this months Adbuster magazine:
Later it continues:
"...before he went off to Rio de Janeiro for the 1992 Earth Summit, George Bush the Elder said that while he was willing to talk about the environment, "the American way of life is not negotiable." His successor, Bill Clinton, remarked famously that "it's the economy, stupid." Everything we see around us reinforces that message of inevitability: cars get larger each year, and homes too"
This is a root issue to be concerned with.
but enviro-activists can be pretty touchy
yes we an be...
Damned socialists
Damned corporatist.
Take a look at Canada and Sweden... as socialist as they come. Were not evil 3 eyed commies are we?
Thank our Christian God were not Communists like those filthy Cubans - Ewwww.
Open your mind. Turn off your Television. You've been polluted. Try READING a little - it may aid in achieving a more balanced an informed opinion.
European governments have become pretty good at suppressing free speech
.COM TLD? The whole bloody lot is a flood of marketing and advertising - at least Europeans are talking about reality, history, hurt and other REAL events and not living in some quasi-euphoric state of consumerism and vapid mind control. Did you know that the rest of the world works much less than Americans? That people actually have time to visit people - ON A WEEKDAY! That when they come home from work they are not so unbelievably stressed that they cannot deal with their spouse/children. People outside of America actually know their neighbours. They have dinner with their families.
American Gov/Biz has done a very good job of suppressing Free Thought.
Ever turn on your TV and radio? What about the
Im not condoning censorship by France by any means - but America has serious problems of there own with regards to "Free Speech" they should start thinking about...
Here is my non-exhaustive list of 'breaches of freedom' currently endured by Americans:
The 'war' on drugs - and the illegality of reasonable recreational drugs (marijuana and derivatives)
Prostitution is illegal - What are you people thinking?
Censorship of the Internet at Libraries(!)
DeCSS/2600/Judge Kaplan ring a Bell? What about DMCA? What law was Napster really breaking? Humm?
What about the prison industry? Do you really like being jailed for profit?
Rights of Same Sex couples.
Backwards Sodomy laws.
The growing 'What about the chiieeeldrreen' sentiment in America (wait for that to finally pop)
Age limits to drink alcohol.
Swearing in front of children is illegal (cant exactly remember the case/details)
What about the corporatist control on your Radio/Television airwaves - not much 'freedom' going on there would you say?
I seem to remember your not being allowed to visit or trade with the wonderful people of Cuba - why would that be? But China is 'ok'... puhleeze
My point is simply that America very wrongly believes it is 'Free'. That is one of the basic principles exercised by those who seek to control you: "Trust America, Trust Us, We have it the Best, Everyone else doesn't have it as well as we do. Sure we have problems - but just look at these poor fools... ha ha *receives a pat on the back* Now why don't you go down to the Mall and buy a new Tommy Hilfigir Tshirt."
Take a look around - what seems normal/reasonable/'ok' to you (because you are so close to 'it') looks like horrible oppression and breaches of your REAL Freedoms. What all the worlds citizens have to realize is that we must band together and protect everyone's rights - and assure that the world is organized for the benefit of all.. both France and America has problems to deal with.* But relatively speaking - who do you think is really 'Free'?
*Steaming from Corporate control of the Worlds Democracies. (but that is clearly outside the scope of this post).
Don't forget to tell all your friends in Greenpeace how well you think the French Government defends the rights of minorities and their political perspectives.
Whats this supposed to mean?