cyber monkey. *grin* I actually kinda like that. My real beef wasnt really with the not following his own advice. that point was dodgy at best. I just figured someone of his standing could at least answer questions in an interview without the childish, churlish attitude which prevailed the whole thing. In hindsight, I would recant the advice issue. It didnt help anything. But i stand by what I said about his attitude. 100%
Computer gaming industry behemoth ID Software has recalled its latest release Quake3 Team Arena, which was poised for a huge christmas release. Officials contacted at the ID say that the FCC informed them it was hazardous for small children, and that instances had been found where farm animals had been blown apart by "weapons unknown". Sources close to the animals suggest that rocket launchers, shotguns, and a strange gauntlet may have had something to do with the deaths.
In other news, a fly died in china. Authorities suspect it is the victim of a serial killer.
Okay, I agree its not easy to get someone on the RBL. But what choice do you have when a major backbone provider like AboveNet is using RBL? I know they've either lifted it or the C Classes in general have been cleared, or some other such resolve, but I can hardly say "My ISP runs through AboveNet, Who use RBL, so I must get myself and all my friends off my (innocent) ISP because they use RBL." That makes me JUST as bad as the people who run RBL. I am censoring internet use. Maybe not to the same degree, but its the same thing. And I hardly think that if I email AboveNet and say "Hey, my friends and I use XYZCheap ISP, and we dont want RBL, so stop using it!". It just isnt going to happen. So what choice *do* I have when RBL blackholes 5 C Classes containing at LEAST one website I visit (peacefire.org) when they have done nothing wrong; because their hosting provider doesnt live up to the moral expectations of a group of third party vendors I quite honestly couldnt care less about? (Hey, I already get in excess of 50 spam emails a day... what difference delete all to 50 as to 100?)
LMAO. That's actually funny before you think about how mac users work at the moment =) I dont think I need to point out the modifier keys (command/shift etc etc etc) =) But very nice wisecrack, all the same.
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I've heard that transmeta have been great to linus, and given him a lot of opportunity to work with linux. I've heard they've given him a lot of leeway and freedom. But i havent heard that they're letting him take their IP to donate to an opensource project to do in software what they do in hardware. They may, however, do so, I guess. I would hesitate a guess that they wouldnt, though, and would hesitate a guess also that he would stay well away from any such project as much to *protect* that project from becoming subject to lawsuits based on patent infringement purely because he was involved.
I understand that you cant control open source developers, and tell them "You must work on xyz aspect of the code", but I was wondering this one question: Is the driving force to get a perfect Virtual CPU, is it to boot OS XYZ at any given time, or is it to boot as many OS as possible?
No, I suppose not. but then again, I suppose that's why I only said I'd like to see it, instead of jumping up and down screaming at the top of my voice just dying for a new feature. *shrug*. I would *like* to see it. but I wont die waiting for it either.
but nobody is suggesting that the other distributions shouldnt be held accountable for this (I dont think). Just that OBSD should take a look from the users perspective *if only to help us NOT upgrade secured packages*. Its a real pain in the backside to upgrade to package x.y.z-abc2 because there is a bug in x.y.z-abc only to find out what you REALLY had was version x.y.z-abc_OBSD-PATCHED. Especially since x.y.z-abc2 hasnt been code audited, and could be subject to new security flaws. Theo and his guys do a FANTASTIC job auditing code, and deserve a lot of credit for it. A HUGE amount of credit. I'd just like to see something to reassure me when x.y.z-abc is announced to have a bug so I dont upgrade it.
After reading carefully the entire response, I get the renewed feeling that there are a lot of predjudices between the linux and BSD communities, perhaps more so than the microsoft and bsd communities. And it doesnt help when highly recognised people like Theo de Raadt answer questions with (paraphrased) 'If you're not clever enough already I dont want to teach you' creating feelings of inferiority.
In the answer to the first question Theo goes into detail about why software should be good, not just "good enough". However in answer to the 5th question "Kernel Design" he contradicts his own previous argument by saying "I dont think it makes any difference, as long as the system does what it is supposed to"... to paraphrase "As long as it is good enough". Why?
Theo, throughout your responses, you have personally insulted the intelligence of the people who ask you questions. You have insulted the intelligence of the people who either use, pan to try, or know more than most of the dawdling masses about your distrobution. What I dont understand is why. If you could answer that, I would appreciate it. And if you could answer it without the typical belittling that is ever present throughout the answers to the questions asked before, I would appreciate it even more.
Being from Australia and moving to the USA I have noticed the same thing. I unknowingly bought a DVD player for my PC (which ran windows at the time) which included a Creative DxR3 decoder card. Now I have three DVDs (Seven, Face/Off and The Crow) from whatever zone Australia is, and if I buy more DVDs, they will be zoned for the USA. I effectively have no way to access the content on those DVDs. Making a device to get around the zone protection is illegal, as well is aquiring one. Using DeCSS to decrypt the movie to record it in MPEG would be illegal as well. Under the DMCA my only alternative is to buy ANOTHER DVD decoder card. ONE to play Australian zoned DVDs, ANOTHER to play american DVDs. Surely this constitutes a violation of the "Fair Use" clause in the constitution??
Lets take you back to reading 101 because if you look at what I said, and read my previous posts, you would SURELY realise I was not criticising W2K's stability at ALL! In fact, I do believe that W2K is microsoft's stablest/most useful OS yet and in the right scenario is certainly more appropriate than linux.
You'll notice I SPECIFICALLY said "(presentation, not idea)". I had no problem with your proposing windows 2000 is at least as stable and more user friendly than linux.
You'll also notice that your comment "People who are smart enough to realize and honest enough to admit that W2K is at least as stable as Linux and far more user friendly? " was original comment was negatively geared, it put linux users down, and of COURSE you will get moderated down for a comment like that, it is, after all, flame bait. Not because Windows2000 is at least as stable as Linux, but because the WAY you put it puts you as flaming. If you dont want to get moderated down as flamebait, then dont call people stupid liars! (smart enough, honest enough)
Take some time to learn some netiquette, manners, and whatever else it is you are lacking, take the time to read other peoples posts, and MAYBE you wont get moderated down for posting pro microsoft posts!!!
If you reply, dont reply anonymously. Nobody is looking through this forum any more, nobody is about to moderate you down.
Did anybody else notice that they didnt fairly compare the weight + height of the two robots in the article. They're both in completely different units. The Honda is 48"/120cm tall and weights 93lb/43kg. Conversely, the Sony robot is 19.7"/49.25cm tall and weighs 11lb/5kg.
I think that quite possibly you have a lot of valid concerns about Linux, and its viability as a competator in the consumer desktop market, however for your own sake, please do yourself the following favor. Sarcasm is never taken well. Dont present what could otherwise be a very legitimate point and ruin it by pointless use of sarcasm (quote: "...customizable. Really?!") . Dont force your opinion on people as teh be-all end all (quote: "Face it linux is not..."). Profanity wont help you, especially when referring to a quote in sarcastic context (quote: "Bullshit"). And lastly, dont present evidence as factual without having the factual proof to back them up (quote). Heresay never got anyone anywhere. I hope I can find some very interesting arguments form you in the future, but right now, I feel like I cant take your comment seriously because of the aggressive nature you put forth. You bring arguments from a personal level rather than from an industry global level, which I believe is where the aggression stems from. Maybe you can take this into account and come forth from an APersonal perspective.
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Maybe I'm just not seeing your logic here, so I'd like to give you the chance to explain what you were thinking a little more clearly to me. Why would Microsoft need to own their own dist to port.NET to linux? I cant see how this would be a requirement for them (or anyone)... Could you please explain how it is that you came to this (somewhat strange) conclusion?
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grin. I know he meant consoles. never mind =)
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cyber monkey. *grin* I actually kinda like that. My real beef wasnt really with the not following his own advice. that point was dodgy at best. I just figured someone of his standing could at least answer questions in an interview without the childish, churlish attitude which prevailed the whole thing. In hindsight, I would recant the advice issue. It didnt help anything. But i stand by what I said about his attitude. 100%
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Computer gaming industry behemoth ID Software has recalled its latest release Quake3 Team Arena, which was poised for a huge christmas release. Officials contacted at the ID say that the FCC informed them it was hazardous for small children, and that instances had been found where farm animals had been blown apart by "weapons unknown". Sources close to the animals suggest that rocket launchers, shotguns, and a strange gauntlet may have had something to do with the deaths.
In other news, a fly died in china. Authorities suspect it is the victim of a serial killer.
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For shame, I hope I didnt encourage them. *gasp*.
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for a split second I thought about it. But only to change the password to stop these insistant posts at the start of each article. *sigh*
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Oh man, and here was me playing quake I, II and III with a keyboard and mouse thinking that was the way to do it!
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I'm guessing your sons grandma can read email at multiple different free email vending locations =P
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Okay, I agree its not easy to get someone on the RBL. But what choice do you have when a major backbone provider like AboveNet is using RBL? I know they've either lifted it or the C Classes in general have been cleared, or some other such resolve, but I can hardly say "My ISP runs through AboveNet, Who use RBL, so I must get myself and all my friends off my (innocent) ISP because they use RBL." That makes me JUST as bad as the people who run RBL. I am censoring internet use. Maybe not to the same degree, but its the same thing. And I hardly think that if I email AboveNet and say "Hey, my friends and I use XYZCheap ISP, and we dont want RBL, so stop using it!". It just isnt going to happen. So what choice *do* I have when RBL blackholes 5 C Classes containing at LEAST one website I visit (peacefire.org) when they have done nothing wrong; because their hosting provider doesnt live up to the moral expectations of a group of third party vendors I quite honestly couldnt care less about? (Hey, I already get in excess of 50 spam emails a day... what difference delete all to 50 as to 100?)
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And here was me thinking GTK was Gnome ToolKit for C, and GTK+ was C++ extensions to the GTK. *shrug*. Oh well.
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LMAO. That's actually funny before you think about how mac users work at the moment =) I dont think I need to point out the modifier keys (command/shift etc etc etc) =) But very nice wisecrack, all the same.
[CK]
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I've heard that transmeta have been great to linus, and given him a lot of opportunity to work with linux. I've heard they've given him a lot of leeway and freedom. But i havent heard that they're letting him take their IP to donate to an opensource project to do in software what they do in hardware. They may, however, do so, I guess. I would hesitate a guess that they wouldnt, though, and would hesitate a guess also that he would stay well away from any such project as much to *protect* that project from becoming subject to lawsuits based on patent infringement purely because he was involved.
That's just my opinion though.
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I understand that you cant control open source developers, and tell them "You must work on xyz aspect of the code", but I was wondering this one question: Is the driving force to get a perfect Virtual CPU, is it to boot OS XYZ at any given time, or is it to boot as many OS as possible?
CK
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That is a very fine arguement. I shall think about that before posting again.
Thanks,
CK
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No, I suppose not. but then again, I suppose that's why I only said I'd like to see it, instead of jumping up and down screaming at the top of my voice just dying for a new feature. *shrug*. I would *like* to see it. but I wont die waiting for it either.
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but nobody is suggesting that the other distributions shouldnt be held accountable for this (I dont think). Just that OBSD should take a look from the users perspective *if only to help us NOT upgrade secured packages*. Its a real pain in the backside to upgrade to package x.y.z-abc2 because there is a bug in x.y.z-abc only to find out what you REALLY had was version x.y.z-abc_OBSD-PATCHED. Especially since x.y.z-abc2 hasnt been code audited, and could be subject to new security flaws. Theo and his guys do a FANTASTIC job auditing code, and deserve a lot of credit for it. A HUGE amount of credit. I'd just like to see something to reassure me when x.y.z-abc is announced to have a bug so I dont upgrade it.
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After reading carefully the entire response, I get the renewed feeling that there are a lot of predjudices between the linux and BSD communities, perhaps more so than the microsoft and bsd communities. And it doesnt help when highly recognised people like Theo de Raadt answer questions with (paraphrased) 'If you're not clever enough already I dont want to teach you' creating feelings of inferiority.
... to paraphrase "As long as it is good enough". Why?
In the answer to the first question Theo goes into detail about why software should be good, not just "good enough". However in answer to the 5th question "Kernel Design" he contradicts his own previous argument by saying "I dont think it makes any difference, as long as the system does what it is supposed to"
Theo, throughout your responses, you have personally insulted the intelligence of the people who ask you questions. You have insulted the intelligence of the people who either use, pan to try, or know more than most of the dawdling masses about your distrobution. What I dont understand is why. If you could answer that, I would appreciate it. And if you could answer it without the typical belittling that is ever present throughout the answers to the questions asked before, I would appreciate it even more.
Sincerely,
CyberKnet
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/me imagines a building (city?) filled with 400 million tubes. Wheeee!
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Being from Australia and moving to the USA I have noticed the same thing. I unknowingly bought a DVD player for my PC (which ran windows at the time) which included a Creative DxR3 decoder card. Now I have three DVDs (Seven, Face/Off and The Crow) from whatever zone Australia is, and if I buy more DVDs, they will be zoned for the USA. I effectively have no way to access the content on those DVDs. Making a device to get around the zone protection is illegal, as well is aquiring one. Using DeCSS to decrypt the movie to record it in MPEG would be illegal as well. Under the DMCA my only alternative is to buy ANOTHER DVD decoder card. ONE to play Australian zoned DVDs, ANOTHER to play american DVDs. Surely this constitutes a violation of the "Fair Use" clause in the constitution??
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You'll notice I SPECIFICALLY said "(presentation, not idea)". I had no problem with your proposing windows 2000 is at least as stable and more user friendly than linux.
You'll also notice that your comment "People who are smart enough to realize and honest enough to admit that W2K is at least as stable as Linux and far more user friendly? " was original comment was negatively geared, it put linux users down, and of COURSE you will get moderated down for a comment like that, it is, after all, flame bait. Not because Windows2000 is at least as stable as Linux, but because the WAY you put it puts you as flaming. If you dont want to get moderated down as flamebait, then dont call people stupid liars! (smart enough, honest enough)
Take some time to learn some netiquette, manners, and whatever else it is you are lacking, take the time to read other peoples posts, and MAYBE you wont get moderated down for posting pro microsoft posts!!! If you reply, dont reply anonymously. Nobody is looking through this forum any more, nobody is about to moderate you down.
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Did anybody else notice that they didnt fairly compare the weight + height of the two robots in the article. They're both in completely different units. The Honda is 48"/120cm tall and weights 93lb/43kg. Conversely, the Sony robot is 19.7"/49.25cm tall and weighs 11lb/5kg.
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It figures that an argument (presentation, not idea) like that comes from an AC.
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I think that quite possibly you have a lot of valid concerns about Linux, and its viability as a competator in the consumer desktop market, however for your own sake, please do yourself the following favor. Sarcasm is never taken well. Dont present what could otherwise be a very legitimate point and ruin it by pointless use of sarcasm (quote: "...customizable. Really?!") . Dont force your opinion on people as teh be-all end all (quote: "Face it linux is not ..."). Profanity wont help you, especially when referring to a quote in sarcastic context (quote: "Bullshit"). And lastly, dont present evidence as factual without having the factual proof to back them up (quote). Heresay never got anyone anywhere. I hope I can find some very interesting arguments form you in the future, but right now, I feel like I cant take your comment seriously because of the aggressive nature you put forth. You bring arguments from a personal level rather than from an industry global level, which I believe is where the aggression stems from. Maybe you can take this into account and come forth from an APersonal perspective.
[CK]
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Maybe I'm just not seeing your logic here, so I'd like to give you the chance to explain what you were thinking a little more clearly to me. Why would Microsoft need to own their own dist to port .NET to linux? I cant see how this would be a requirement for them (or anyone) ... Could you please explain how it is that you came to this (somewhat strange) conclusion?
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