As an input/output device that can communicate to another input/output device, making the line of communication able to go across a better known and widely used media only opens up more possibilities, both positive and negitive.
Consider what a lie detector is, a device that requires non-technology interaction in the fedback loop process.
Now consider what the possibilities are on the negitive side of this topic. What could someone do if they tapped into receiving data from a pace maker while interacting with the pacemaker user. The perfect murder? Emotionally Upset someone to death? 3 S.E.A.S - Virtual Interaction Configuration (VIC) - VISION OF VISIONS!
If a tourist can pay 20 million US to go to the international space station, then what's it cost to have genetic mods?
Better to know of this out in the open then find out the hard way, that you have become smaller pray. 3 S.E.A.S - Virtual Interaction Configuration (VIC) - VISION OF VISIONS!
Hmmm, two statement that support each other. Productivity measurements have to be voodoo in order to preceive the only goal of the computer industry is to make money.
OK, then what you are saying is the all the sales pitches about how using computers would help non-computer industry companies and consumers to do things better, were lies.... Hmmm, you think that is money you are breathing? How much money do you think will be caused to flow thru the economy due to the removal of the constraints MS wants?
On the other side of the issue, the GPL side, pay attention to not only the growth happening with it in non-computer industries, but the growing attention it is getting from within the Computer industry (I.E. the article these messages are posted under...)
Maybe I'm missing something here, I could have sworn I bought the systems I have in order to get things done better and faster, but somehow the competition has the same tools and the only party really getting something out of it is the IP constraining Computer Industry, you know like lawyers in a lawsuite, certain to be paid weither they win or lose on your behalf
It's good to know, there is a way out of the entrapment abuse, thanks to the GPL. Now that's INNOVATION!
As good as the arguement presented appears to be, there are some fundamental flaws in it. Flaws that become more obvious upon realizing that the software industry, the computer industry, was not ever supposed to be an industry within itself. But rather an industry that simply was to supply the tools that other industries could use to improve their industry specific production. And for the consumer, improve their use of time in dealing with information. Gaming is entertainment more than it's a tool for productivity, know the difference. Instead what we have is an industry that sees itself as the master race of all industries, by way of owning the tools used, owner and controller of all other industries.
The evidence of this is found in the research that has shown that the claimed new digital economy hasn't happened, but instead all that shows up is that the industry of computer is the only industry having had a notiable increase. With the exception of one other industry, the biotech industry, which does use computer to make such advancements. But the Biotech industry holds in common with the computer industry the element of the IP gold rush greed.
Research of the Department of Labor, the Bureau of Labor Statistics Here's the NYT article that mentions the research and it's findings (you have to register, but it's free) In a Productivity Surge, No Proof of a 'New Economy'
So what this does is show that the computer industry has been withholding the technology from all other industries, in IP greed. What the GPL does is to counter that, to somewhat put the computer industry in it's proper place, not as the master race over all other industries, but as a secondary tool manufacture for the primary value producers of physical consumable products.
In other words, the computer industry is suppose to be an industry intended to assist other industries, not own them or the Intellectual Property they produce (in the form of industry specific knowledge integrated into software that is then IP owned by the software industry.)
They should just rename it the MI-Laptop. Mission Impossible, this laptop will self-destruct in 10, 9, 8,... 3 S.E.A.S - Virtual Interaction Configuration (VIC) - VISION OF VISIONS!
If such GPL code exist, then getting it into such GPL domain, like posting it into the public in any opublic medias (here, Usenet, etc..) is not a violation of law, but rather a support of the predefind Glicense. Since the GPL was in effect before they received the code, it shall be held to.
There is genuine value to be had in Anonymus Remailers. That of upholding the Law, without the overheaproceedures.
In other words, there will be no manipulation of the law via. the game of whos got the most money or power.
For such a thing to go into a court and be proven really happened, violation of GPL, the judgement should be court costs Plus not only making public the source code that should have been GPL to begin with, but additional source code of at least equal value but proprietary being made GPL.
In other words, if you try to steal you will risk losing what you have.
Even I can come up with a better arguement then what it appears MS is about to do. Or maybe it's the same, but I don't need to spend as much time explaining it.
Wealth is not how much money you have but how much money you cause to flow thru the economy. It is money that is the most common value exchange media. The more active it is in the economy, the better the economy will appear to be doing.
It really is quite simply about "economy". Making "economy" the ultimate possible arguement against GPL. How wealth generation requires the common media of value exchange to "flow".
Think of it this way. How many people does it take to change a light bulb? A polish joke? Nope, an economic flow of value exchange test. By spreading out the payed tasks to do in what there is to do, the more the common value exchange media "flows" thru the economy.
The GPL certainly spreads out the tasks but causes alot less of that common value exchange media to flow thru the economy. Hence, the GPL being bad for countries, etc.
Now I need to ask myself a question here. Shall I pull the carpet out from under this ultimate arguement now, or wait for MS to verify that this is the essence of their arguement against the GPL?
Sure we can "invent" new languages to fit/address new uses, but what we are really doing is just creating another vocabulary/Syntax set that ultimately get translated into the language the machine understands, zeros and ones. But the translation process is not always optimized for the machine, rather often optimized for the programmers convience.
So is it really another language we need, or do the priorities (what come first) suggest backing up and taking a better look at the abstraction manipulation mechanics of language independant translation? Being translated into machine code is a constant here, not the variable of what language we are translating into machine code.
So any arguement about the general machine mechanics vs. the specific language mechanics, doesn't really exist.
We'll always be able to create new languages, but how well they work is dependant on how well their use gets translated into the language the machine understands.
I'm suggesting that it is a general translation mechanisim that needs to be addressed. And that doing so will help improve the use of what we have and will have in programmimng languages. Probably even making it easier to create a new language or vocabulary/syntax set. 3 S.E.A.S - Virtual Interaction Configuration (VIC) - VISION OF VISIONS!
As I understand it, there are some 30,000 programming languages. More created in a short history of computer programming than documented human written languages in all of recorded human history.
Do we really need that list of programming languages to grow? Or do we need to step back and take a broader, more objective view of what the purpose of programming is?
The act of programming is to take complexity and define it down into simpler terms, eventually to where the product is usable by the end user. So you could say that the act of programming is to create the automation of complexity that is to be controlled in simpler terms.
At the very base level of what hardware is being programmed, you have the bit. First level Abstraction of "on" and "off", machine language. As programming language abstraction evolved in the development of newer languages, all that has really happened is that of building of a tower of higher and higher level abstractions. A real tower of babel.
But ultimately we know that machine language is where the best optimization can happen. Higher levels of abstraction are really only for our convience, untill that tower starts swaying to much in the clouds and we forget how we got there.
While it is clear that the focus is on making a better programming language (for any given field of use) and that this has lead to the clouds, perhaps what needs to happen is figure out what is really needed in order to better automate the use of the languages we already have.
In other words, instead of creating another higher level language, figure out how to apply
something like Machine Language better.
I've had this problem understanding how a profession and even a hobbie for some, applies the
practice of automating complexity but can't very well figure out how to automate the process of automating complexity.
I suggest that the concept of "language" inherently cannot solve the problem, but rather only compound it, naturally.
The place to begin is in identifying the set of actions we apply in using languages, regardless of which language, human or machine.
We start/stop begin/end steps
We keep track of what step we are at
we get input
we select where we get input from
We select where we send output
we do things one step at a time
we look up the meaning of things, then do the steps
we identify things, then do steps based on this
we put constraints on what we look up and what we identify in order to narrow/focus the search and identies and steps to follow.
Doesn't matter what language you are using, you are going to do these things in processing that language.
Rather than another language, how about an action set that allows development to become able to automate more and more, the use of the languages we already have?
This is from a thread/article started later. But I thought it relavant to quote it here.
The current edition of the European "Netzkultur" magazine, Telepolis features an article discussing the vulnerability of the the Dutch Internet infrastructure to a single, well-placed attack, according to a recent report issued by the Dutch Ministry of Traffic and Waterways:
One well-placed bomb could wreck the entire Dutch Internet, the report states.The physical protection of (fiber optic) cables at critical network and ISP junctions is almost none, TNO claims. It is very easy to find out where exactly the cables are located and they can easily be approached. 'For now the chances of a deliberate disruption of the cable network by activists or terrorists are low. But as the importance of the Internet is growing, we fear that criminals, activists or terrorist will see the cable infrastructure or other critical infrastructure as targets in the near future.'
Sincerely,
Vergil
Vergil Bushnell
Consumer Project on Technology
Someone really should put up a sight for Computer date problems and even have those companies producing such date problems to have to report then to the site for listing. This way anyone can look it up on the web, perhaps thru a search engine looking for "Computer date problems log" or such. Even if the problem is in the past or far into the future. 3 S.E.A.S - Virtual Interaction Configuration (VIC) - VISION OF VISIONS!
Artist are said to be a dime a dozen and I've personally heard many a good musician that never got their 15 minutes of fame or single hit recorded and distributed.
You want free music downloadale from the net? Then realize the equipment is there to make it happen. Leave the Commercial Artist for the stores and radio Stations. We have the Net and can easily have Streaming Audio shows.
Think About it. Maybe many artist will still not earn a living, no different then the now and the past, but at least their Music has a better chance of getting heard. And who knows, maybe the Music industry will turn around and see who's popular in GPL Music, cut a deal with them, maybe even a comprimise.
Then Again, maybe there needs to be a Music specific GPL written.
I'm wondering how the GNU "Hurd" kernel could overcome problems the Linux kernel has regarding embedded systems. any comments? 3 S.E.A.S - Virtual Interaction Configuration (VIC) - VISION OF VISIONS!
This particular subject of evolving ICs is very primitive, alot of number crunching effort to produce a simple function. Perhaps community computing power could be put use as it is in RC5 encription breaking competition or public genome research or private company cancer research....
But it certainly seems to me that the old issue of the mass of growing complexity (Tower of babel) will also find the same solution direction as man has in the past.
The next day, at the seminar titled "Amiga - Where are we going from here":
- It is not set in stone that the AmigaDE will never run on any existing Amiga/PPC solution. As of *now*, it's only zico, but that may change. Then again, it may also work out that for later releases that have more in common with DE than OS (see next point) will need to revert back to only zico, which would sort of negate the effort of porting 4.0 to non-zico Amiga/PPC systems.
- AmigaOS 4.0 and beyond is intended as a beginning of a merging of the code base. Eventually, the robust, "scaled-up" server version of AmigaDE (you know, the one with memory protection and resource tracking) will be merged with AmigaOS. Bill the beginning of this code merger is planned for release 4.2, and continuing through successive releases.
- The reason why 4.0 is being released and the reason why AmigaDE is being merged with it is that Bill et al. fully realize that there are those who will *not* develop for any platform named "Amiga" on anything other than an Amiga. So, the ports are being done in order to leverage that developer base for the sake of the new hardware partners and the sake of the new business model. And, as the hardware platform migrates and transforms and the OS code base merges, eventually these developers can work on server-side applications for the Digital Environment clients.
- The new business model: pay-for-play downloads of simple games, utilities, etc., for the Zaurus and the cellphone. I think the cellphone is called "iMo," but I'll just call it the cellphone. Develop for the Sharp systems, post your work on the Sharp wireless website for, say, $10, and get $6 for each download. An example figure given was that if your product made a 10% penetration into the market of wireless systems in Japan, that one $10 game could net the programmer $941,000. Increase the figures proportionally for the worldwide market, and adjust for more realistic levels of market share (the average game or utility is probably not going to acheive a 10% market share), and you're still making impressive amounts of money. The download protocol will be kept secret, I assume, in order to keep people from starting rival download centers and undercutting Sharp and the Amiga developers working on Zaurus and cellphone software.
From: "Timothy Rue" Subject: On your MARK, get set, ready -Re: The Real Amiga Advance is Here and It Runs MorphOS Date: 2 Apr 2001 22:51:47 GMT
On 02-Apr-01 07:44:47 Daniel Miller wrote: -I was looking at this like I used to admire the then-new AGA Amigas in -the slick UK magazines. It is the long-awaited PPC Amiga:
-http://www.bplan-gmbh.de/news/news02_e.html
-Here are the specs:
-http://www.bplan-gmbh.de/news/pegasos_e.html
-Here is the current software (MorphOS) that runs on it:
-http://www.morphos.de/fileslinks.php3
considering what's been said in experiences dealing with Amiga and others, there seems to be a growing trend if those resisting Amiga.
Laire (MorphOS)and Amiga seem to agree on something however, and that is that the so called "community" is something of value, be it just a word or of a claim to a collection of people with common interest (such as a computer platform or sub section of developers for that platform) or what ever is convienent at the time it is used. The Collas clever use of the word "we".....
It is becomming clearer every day that this word is being misused and those it suppose to be representitive of seem to be gaining in number of feeling the abuse, and everone knows you can lie and be as deceptitive and deceitfull as you want so long as you do it in a way that is relatively safe from proof. So you can ask for proof about something but not having proof doesn't mean what is being communicated is a lie.
The law leans is on the side of money, not honesty, and that game is being played by Amiga the company.
Like I said, Laire and Amiga do agree there is value in "community", be it just a word or with some actual people, be they a selected group or actual history stated group.
Some of the stuff I've heard on IRC this weekend suggest overall that the development community has a problem with greed, and this includes Amiga themselves.
When you have enough greed in a pot cooking, there is bound to be those who get burned. Those who took the bait before hey realize what they are biting into. The lure of easy money is bait that's been used for ages, and it amazes me how it can be so obviously used and yet make people so blind, because they want to believe it.
There was also a particular comment made on IRC that suggested there may be more lies about me being told, or maybe it was an attempt at baiting. Certainly there was plenty of bait being tossed around and for sure there was this relatively safe from proof CRAP! To be Clear, I have never applied for or been offered a job at Amiga. It is arrogant and ignorant to assume anything regarding such a situation and what was said on IRC was the first hint or bait I'm aware of.
I kept logs and sure was supprised with some of the crap and sometimes even who it was comming from. Clearly there are those who have a hard time knowing the difference between helping and abusing. But that is also something that can be said here in usenet and I can also say "in person" get togethers.
So this "community" that is seen as having some value, what is it made of? I'd say a good active part of it is not very well or fair intentioned and most of the rest is simply nieve. There are of course those who fall into both catagories. Those who are greedy and nieve. Those are the ones who the bait of dollar signs will get them to bite, hooked and eaten.
I told Laire, on IRC, to find a way to offer Morphos to the C=Amiga users in a way that doesn't infringe upon the "Purchasers" (very different than the "creators") use of the Intellectual property (trademark) name of Amiga.
Now there are plenty of us that when we say Amiga in reference to the C=Amiga system we are using, are in fact communication information identifying some hardware and software, not a company or even who owns the trademark, but hardware and software we own or are otherwise refering to. We don't pay royalities to say the word, or even write in down.
So maybe Laire can realize that promoting his OS as the next AmigaOS or such, is really just plain damn counter productive to (I'm assuming here - I could be wrong) his goals.
There are alot of misconceptions going around about what AmigaDE is.
The fact is, bottom line, it's is in part an emulator by Tao called "Elate" that is used to emulate imaginary hardware, such as a non existant CPU.
Those who have been around within the history of Amiga know damn well what an emulator is. In fact, there was a time - maybe still true, when Amiga hardware and software could emulate more OS's than any other system, mostly thru course third party software.
Ok so you have an emulator. What else is this AmigaDE?
For the Emulator to work hosted..... Wait a minute.... the word "Hosted" is like saying ImageFX is "hosted" on the AmigaOS or one of the many Emulators is "hosted" on the Amiga software or........ "Hosted" on the Amiga Hardware.
So it's really an emulation application or program. But with Elate, instead of writting a different emulator, of the imaginary CPU, so to "run" on real hardware and/or real hardware based OS's, only a translation mechanism between the "imaginary CPU" and the "real CPU" need be done. Same goes for any other imaginary to real hardware.
But this Elate is all Tao Group product. So why call it AmigaDE?
Tao is supplying the imaginary hardware emulator, via software (mostly).
[Note: some of what is packaged by Tao is GNU (GPL) development software]
But Tao is not supplying the emulatorhuman interface values that #5AmigaIP (fifth company to hold trademark and copyrights).
so what you have is:
what is being called AmigaDE (SDK w/Tao intent/Java and GNU dev tools)
On top of
TAO Group Elate - #5AmigaIP APIs
On Top of
others hardware & OS's
where the layers equate to -HW/OS by whoever -- TAO -- #5AmigaIP --
real hardware/os -- translation = hardware Emulator -- human interface
#5AmigaIP is a customer of Tao Group, but they are not the only customer. Elate and their Java product "intent" is as well sold to other customers, such as Sharp. Customers of Tao's Elate can hire #5AmigaIP to provide additional "user" interface "content" or what you might call programs, including multimedia apps like games.
If you take away everything but what #5AmigaIP is doing, all you really have is a human interface to another companies products. An interface for developers to use, of which they too can use to create programs for the end user.
In the "Developer Community" what #5AmigaIP is doing is refered to as creating APIs (Application Programming Interfaces)
APIs have generally not been something for the end users to deal with, but rather for use by those who write programs the end user might use.
*Arexx helped to bring some APIs into the hands of the end users.*
The AmigaDE package (existing in the AmigaSDK) is in essence, An Emulator, that can as well contain in the to be sold package, user applicaions (which naturally require the emulator to run.)
Now back to Laire and MorphOS.
Is MorphOS an emulator or a real OS?
Does Laire want to be considered #6AmigaIP? Considering even the first one went broke!
Funny how things change. It used to be that you could emulate other OS's to run their software on Amiga. But now it looks like the target product is gonna be an emulation to run on other hardware and other OS's.
And it also looks like (according to what kelli wrote in comp.sys.amiga.misc) software the user makes use of is targeted to be rented per use, to the end user.
Now what's the real value of the so called "Amiga Community"?
Rentee/leasee (buyer)?
You also have to buy a license to do business (sell)?
I'm sure there are variations customed designed so long as cash flow is in a predetermined direction.
Ya know, I don't think #5AmigaIP is very concerned about the OS competition but would love to do business selling them all AmigaDE to run on and thru their systems, both software and cash flow system.
Of course Windows and Linux will get it for free. And Amiga users, they get the opportunity to pay for it in several ways and several times, more than any other system end user. Sure, why not continue on evolving a host system called Amiga?
I made a commet on IRC, one that in ways seemed to be shared. I said that I don't like the MS mentality that's been comming from #5AmigaIP. A "want to own and control everything". A mentality I first noticed, and many years ago, coming from fleecy and his supporters. The Greed thing, obviously shared by enough in the so called "Amiga community" but certainly not all. The sort of thing that brings on the aboved mentioned "CRAP"
Someone commented back that they didn't mind it if fleecy/#5AmigaIP has Gates mentality (obviousy a develper who is not fair intentioned and probably a bit nieve). So I asked: who really wants another M$?
There was no answer. I guess they felt they would be repeating themselves.
And if I got anything wrong from the above, Well I paid attention best I could thru IRC, web sites and even here, to what the show announcements would be. Like many who stayed next to there system running IRC around the world at all hours of the day and night, many tired, to finally hear Bill play an april fools joke about sound and email.
This from a show promoted as "All will be known" or something to that effect. Guess it was like the Collas use of "we" (which Bill probably wrote for Collas the puppet), meaning all will be known to the select few.
Hmmm, was there an NDA signing at the banquet door? Wasn't there one last year?
I don't think programming FPGAs would be such a stated difficulty if the approach is right. And although what little I've read seems to still be more difficult than it needs to be, I Suspect the source of the problems are human mentality oriented, or what you might call programming of the human mind problems..
The slashdot system is designed to cause public (geeks) responses that are then mined for value. The system is not designed to support back and forth communications over more than a few days at best. This helps to serve the objective of mining for fresh meat (initial responses). Anyone wanting to reach out with a request for help would more than likley not soley rely on/. to help, though it has been shown that if you need help with finding employees of non-standard programming quality,/. might well help you. For such a thing is alone the lines of the values extracted from the system. 3 S.E.A.S - Virtual Interaction Configuration (VIC) - VISION OF VISIONS!
If you take a florecent (sp?) light bulb and put it up near a CB antenna and Key the mic the bulb will light up.
If you take a regular light bulb and throw it up in front of powerful enough microwave transmitter it will go offlike a flash cube.
But the thing about interference is a matter of frequency, that of interference being within the same frequency range.
The 60hz audio hum caused by improper grounding in audio equiptment is within the range of the audio equiptment subceptability. I'm sure wireless transmissions and reception interference is as well constrained within the specified range of the equipment.
The science of computing hasn't yet identified and made generally available the core functionality of abstraction manipulation mechanics. To use an analogy - what the patent office has done is something along the lines of accepting the earth is flat. But the earth is not flat and the limitation of sailing off the edge of the earth is a fabrication of illusion. When genuine computer science reaches enough understanding of what computers are in terms of abstraction manipulation machines then it will also come to understand that most software patents are invalid. Although it is not uncommon for patents to be overturned, there will be an overload. How that problem will be resolved is hard to say as it's not so easy to determine what would have happened had not faulty constraints been applied in software thru invalid patents.
There are some things that international patent system can and do agree on. Such as, you cannot patent natural law, physical phenomenon and abstract ideas, and several other smaller but as important concepts like mathmatical algorythims and "inventions" which would be considered common obvious conclusion in the given field of use, etc. But upon a twisted and error prone foundation of distorted computer technology, patents are being to quickly issued, issued before the science has gotten back to being genuine, rather than biased and short sighted towards what can make money now.
These things, not patentable, are at the genuine foundation of abstraction manipulation mechanics and extend beyond computing. Through computers we can better recognize and objectively make use of such abstraction manipulation machinery.
To get a better idea, consider what is in the context of a USPTO RFC response to issues regarding prior art.
If there is anything you can be certain of is that the evolution of computer technology got off track of pure and genuine science of computing, otherwse we would not be today suffering from an apparent inability to solve the "software crisis". 3 S.E.A.S - Virtual Interaction Configuration (VIC) - VISION OF VISIONS!
The clay institute $1m award is more so based on acceptance by the math community then it is on a solution. This reminds me of a story a math teacher told me. Something about a man who applied for membership in some American Math Society and was turned down. So he went back to europe and a few years later he returned and applied again, but this time he had a simple equasion that showed.999_ (repeating decimal) equalled 1. I also recall the story of Newton where he was dismissed by his colleagues and even an attempt to steal his discovery. And there are many other such histories...
So for an award based more so on acceptance than on solution, it sounds to me that the Clay Institute will have plenty a way to so no. And in the event they ultimately cannot say no, then they can change the rules and awards at will it seems given their "rules". 3 S.E.A.S - Virtual Interaction Configuration (VIC) - VISION OF VISIONS!
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What are the weakest points of the GPL?
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As an input/output device that can communicate to another
input/output device, making the line of communication able
to go across a better known and widely used media only opens
up more possibilities, both positive and negitive.
Consider what a lie detector is, a device that requires
non-technology interaction in the fedback loop process.
Now consider what the possibilities are on the negitive side
of this topic. What could someone do if they tapped into
receiving data from a pace maker while interacting with the
pacemaker user. The perfect murder? Emotionally Upset someone
to death?
3 S.E.A.S - Virtual Interaction Configuration (VIC) - VISION OF VISIONS!
If a tourist can pay 20 million US to go to the international space station, then what's it cost to have genetic mods? Better to know of this out in the open then find out the hard way, that you have become smaller pray.
3 S.E.A.S - Virtual Interaction Configuration (VIC) - VISION OF VISIONS!
Hmmm, two statement that support each other. Productivity measurements have to be voodoo in order to preceive the only goal of the computer industry is to make money.
OK, then what you are saying is the all the sales pitches about how using computers would help non-computer industry companies and consumers to do things better, were lies.... Hmmm, you think that is money you are breathing? How much money do you think will be caused to flow thru the economy due to the removal of the constraints MS wants?
On the other side of the issue, the GPL side, pay attention to not only the growth happening with it in non-computer industries, but the growing attention it is getting from within the Computer industry (I.E. the article these messages are posted under...)
Maybe I'm missing something here, I could have sworn I bought the systems I have in order to get things done better and faster, but somehow the competition has the same tools and the only party really getting something out of it is the IP constraining Computer Industry, you know like lawyers in a lawsuite, certain to be paid weither they win or lose on your behalf
It's good to know, there is a way out of the entrapment abuse, thanks to the GPL. Now that's INNOVATION!
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As good as the arguement presented appears to be, there are some fundamental flaws in it. Flaws that become more obvious upon realizing that the software industry, the computer industry, was not ever supposed to be an industry within itself. But rather an industry that simply was to supply the tools that other industries could use to improve their industry specific production. And for the consumer, improve their use of time in dealing with information. Gaming is entertainment more than it's a tool for productivity, know the difference. Instead what we have is an industry that sees itself as the master race of all industries, by way of owning the tools used, owner and controller of all other industries.
The evidence of this is found in the research that has shown that the claimed new digital economy hasn't happened, but instead all that shows up is that the industry of computer is the only industry having had a notiable increase. With the exception of one other industry, the biotech industry, which does use computer to make such advancements. But the Biotech industry holds in common with the computer industry the element of the IP gold rush greed.
Research of the Department of Labor, the Bureau of Labor Statistics
Here's the NYT article that mentions the research and it's findings
(you have to register, but it's free)
In a Productivity Surge, No Proof of a 'New Economy'
So what this does is show that the computer industry has been withholding the technology from all other industries, in IP greed. What the GPL does is to counter that, to somewhat put the computer industry in it's proper place, not as the master race over all other industries, but as a secondary tool manufacture for the primary value producers of physical consumable products.
In other words, the computer industry is suppose to be an industry intended to assist other industries, not own them or the Intellectual Property they produce (in the form of industry specific knowledge integrated into software that is then IP owned by the software industry.)
3 S.E.A.S - Virtual Interaction Configuration (VIC) - VISION OF VISIONS!
They should just rename it the MI-Laptop. Mission Impossible, this laptop will self-destruct in 10, 9, 8, ...
3 S.E.A.S - Virtual Interaction Configuration (VIC) - VISION OF VISIONS!
If such GPL code exist, then getting it into such GPL domain, like posting it into the public in any opublic medias (here, Usenet, etc..) is not a violation of law, but rather a support of the predefind Glicense. Since the GPL was in effect before they received the code, it shall be held to.
There is genuine value to be had in Anonymus Remailers. That of upholding the Law, without the overheaproceedures.
In other words, there will be no manipulation of the law via. the game of whos got the most money or power.
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For such a thing to go into a court and be proven really happened, violation of GPL, the judgement should be court costs Plus not only making public the source code that should have been GPL to begin with, but additional source code of at least equal value but proprietary being made GPL.
In other words, if you try to steal you will risk losing what you have.
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Even I can come up with a better arguement then what it appears MS is about to do. Or maybe it's the same, but I don't need to spend as much time explaining it.
Wealth is not how much money you have but how much money you cause to flow thru the economy. It is money that is the most common value exchange media. The more active it is in the economy, the better the economy will appear to be doing.
It really is quite simply about "economy". Making "economy" the ultimate possible arguement against GPL. How wealth generation requires the common media of value exchange to "flow".
Think of it this way. How many people does it take to change a light bulb? A polish joke? Nope, an economic flow of value exchange test. By spreading out the payed tasks to do in what there is to do, the more the common value exchange media "flows" thru the economy.
The GPL certainly spreads out the tasks but causes alot less of that common value exchange media to flow thru the economy. Hence, the GPL being bad for countries, etc.
Now I need to ask myself a question here. Shall I pull the carpet out from under this ultimate arguement now, or wait for MS to verify that this is the essence of their arguement against the GPL?
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Sure we can "invent" new languages to fit/address new uses, but what we are really doing is just creating another vocabulary/Syntax set that ultimately get translated into the language the machine understands, zeros and ones. But the translation process is not always optimized for the machine, rather often optimized for the programmers convience.
So is it really another language we need, or do the priorities (what come first) suggest backing up and taking a better look at the abstraction manipulation mechanics of language independant translation? Being translated into machine code is a constant here, not the variable of what language we are translating into machine code.
So any arguement about the general machine mechanics vs. the specific language mechanics, doesn't really exist.
We'll always be able to create new languages, but how well they work is dependant on how well their use gets translated into the language the machine understands.
I'm suggesting that it is a general translation mechanisim that needs to be addressed. And that doing so will help improve the use of what we have and will have in programmimng languages. Probably even making it easier to create a new language or vocabulary/syntax set.
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As I understand it, there are some 30,000 programming languages. More created in a short history of computer programming than documented human written languages in all of recorded human history.
Do we really need that list of programming languages to grow? Or do we need to step back and take a broader, more objective view of what the purpose of programming is?
The act of programming is to take complexity and define it down into simpler terms, eventually to where the product is usable by the end user. So you could say that the act of programming is to create the automation of complexity that is to be controlled in simpler terms.
At the very base level of what hardware is being programmed, you have the bit. First level Abstraction of "on" and "off", machine language. As programming language abstraction evolved in the development of newer languages, all that has really happened is that of building of a tower of higher and higher level abstractions. A real tower of babel.
But ultimately we know that machine language is where the best optimization can happen. Higher levels of abstraction are really only for our convience, untill that tower starts swaying to much in the clouds and we forget how we got there.
While it is clear that the focus is on making a better programming language (for any given field of use) and that this has lead to the clouds, perhaps what needs to happen is figure out what is really needed in order to better automate the use of the languages we already have.
In other words, instead of creating another higher level language, figure out how to apply
something like Machine Language better.
I've had this problem understanding how a profession and even a hobbie for some, applies the
practice of automating complexity but can't very well figure out how to automate the process of automating complexity.
I suggest that the concept of "language" inherently cannot solve the problem, but rather only compound it, naturally.
The place to begin is in identifying the set of actions we apply in using languages, regardless of which language, human or machine.
We start/stop begin/end steps
We keep track of what step we are at
we get input
we select where we get input from
We select where we send output
we do things one step at a time
we look up the meaning of things, then do the steps
we identify things, then do steps based on this
we put constraints on what we look up and what we identify in order to narrow/focus the search and identies and steps to follow.
Doesn't matter what language you are using, you are going to do these things in processing that language.
Rather than another language, how about an action set that allows development to become able to automate more and more, the use of the languages we already have?
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This is from a thread/article started later. But I thought it relavant to quote it here.
The current edition of the European "Netzkultur" magazine, Telepolis features an article discussing the vulnerability of the the Dutch Internet infrastructure to a single, well-placed attack, according to a recent report issued by the Dutch Ministry of Traffic and Waterways:
One well-placed bomb could wreck the entire Dutch Internet, the report states.The physical protection of (fiber optic) cables at critical network and ISP junctions is almost none, TNO claims. It is very easy to find out where exactly the cables are located and they can easily be approached. 'For now the chances of a deliberate disruption of the cable network by activists or terrorists are low. But as the importance of the Internet is growing, we fear that criminals, activists or terrorist will see the cable infrastructure or other critical infrastructure as targets in the near future.'
Sincerely,
Vergil
Vergil Bushnell
Consumer Project on Technology
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Someone really should put up a sight for Computer date problems and even have those companies producing such date problems to have to report then to the site for listing. This way anyone can look it up on the web, perhaps thru a search engine looking for "Computer date problems log" or such. Even if the problem is in the past or far into the future.
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Artist are said to be a dime a dozen and I've personally heard many
a good musician that never got their 15 minutes of fame or single hit
recorded and distributed.
You want free music downloadale from the net? Then realize the equipment
is there to make it happen. Leave the Commercial Artist for the stores and
radio Stations. We have the Net and can easily have Streaming Audio shows.
Think About it. Maybe many artist will still not earn a living, no different
then the now and the past, but at least their Music has a better chance of
getting heard. And who knows, maybe the Music industry will turn around and
see who's popular in GPL Music, cut a deal with them, maybe even a comprimise.
Then Again, maybe there needs to be a Music specific GPL written.
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I'm wondering how the GNU "Hurd" kernel could overcome problems the Linux kernel has regarding embedded systems. any comments?
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This particular subject of evolving ICs is very primitive, alot of number crunching effort to produce a simple function. Perhaps community computing power could be put use as it is in RC5 encription breaking competition or public genome research or private company cancer research....
But it certainly seems to me that the old issue of the mass of growing complexity (Tower of babel) will also find the same solution direction as man has in the past.
I do wonder how the following might be useful in such matters as FPGA programming.
Knowledge Navigational Mapping thru the Virtual Interaction Configuration
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Here is what Kelli said in comp.sys.amiga.misc
The next day, at the seminar titled "Amiga - Where are we going from here":
- It is not set in stone that the AmigaDE will never run on any existing
Amiga/PPC solution. As of *now*, it's only zico, but that may change. Then
again, it may also work out that for later releases that have more in common
with DE than OS (see next point) will need to revert back to only zico,
which would sort of negate the effort of porting 4.0 to non-zico Amiga/PPC
systems.
- AmigaOS 4.0 and beyond is intended as a beginning of a merging of the code
base. Eventually, the robust, "scaled-up" server version of AmigaDE (you
know, the one with memory protection and resource tracking) will be merged
with AmigaOS. Bill the beginning of this code merger is planned for release
4.2, and continuing through successive releases.
- The reason why 4.0 is being released and the reason why AmigaDE is being
merged with it is that Bill et al. fully realize that there are those who
will *not* develop for any platform named "Amiga" on anything other than an
Amiga. So, the ports are being done in order to leverage that developer base
for the sake of the new hardware partners and the sake of the new business
model. And, as the hardware platform migrates and transforms and the OS code
base merges, eventually these developers can work on server-side
applications for the Digital Environment clients.
- The new business model: pay-for-play downloads of simple games, utilities,
etc., for the Zaurus and the cellphone. I think the cellphone is called
"iMo," but I'll just call it the cellphone. Develop for the Sharp systems,
post your work on the Sharp wireless website for, say, $10, and get $6 for
each download. An example figure given was that if your product made a 10%
penetration into the market of wireless systems in Japan, that one $10 game
could net the programmer $941,000. Increase the figures proportionally for
the worldwide market, and adjust for more realistic levels of market share
(the average game or utility is probably not going to acheive a 10% market
share), and you're still making impressive amounts of money. The download
protocol will be kept secret, I assume, in order to keep people from
starting rival download centers and undercutting Sharp and the Amiga
developers working on Zaurus and cellphone software.
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From comp.sys.amiga.misc
From: "Timothy Rue"
Subject: On your MARK, get set, ready -Re: The Real Amiga Advance is Here and It Runs MorphOS
Date: 2 Apr 2001 22:51:47 GMT
On 02-Apr-01 07:44:47 Daniel Miller wrote:
-I was looking at this like I used to admire the then-new AGA Amigas in
-the slick UK magazines. It is the long-awaited PPC Amiga:
-http://www.bplan-gmbh.de/news/news02_e.html
-Here are the specs:
-http://www.bplan-gmbh.de/news/pegasos_e.html
-Here is the current software (MorphOS) that runs on it:
-http://www.morphos.de/fileslinks.php3
considering what's been said in experiences dealing with Amiga and others,
there seems to be a growing trend if those resisting Amiga.
Laire (MorphOS)and Amiga seem to agree on something however, and that is
that the so called "community" is something of value, be it just a word or
of a claim to a collection of people with common interest (such as a
computer platform or sub section of developers for that platform) or what
ever is convienent at the time it is used. The Collas clever use of the
word "we".....
It is becomming clearer every day that this word is being misused and
those it suppose to be representitive of seem to be gaining in number of
feeling the abuse, and everone knows you can lie and be as deceptitive
and deceitfull as you want so long as you do it in a way that is
relatively safe from proof. So you can ask for proof about something but
not having proof doesn't mean what is being communicated is a lie.
The law leans is on the side of money, not honesty, and that game is being
played by Amiga the company.
Like I said, Laire and Amiga do agree there is value in "community", be it
just a word or with some actual people, be they a selected group or actual
history stated group.
Some of the stuff I've heard on IRC this weekend suggest overall that the
development community has a problem with greed, and this includes Amiga
themselves.
When you have enough greed in a pot cooking, there is bound to be those
who get burned. Those who took the bait before hey realize what they are
biting into. The lure of easy money is bait that's been used for ages, and
it amazes me how it can be so obviously used and yet make people so blind,
because they want to believe it.
There was also a particular comment made on IRC that suggested there may
be more lies about me being told, or maybe it was an attempt at baiting.
Certainly there was plenty of bait being tossed around and for sure there
was this relatively safe from proof CRAP! To be Clear, I have never
applied for or been offered a job at Amiga. It is arrogant and ignorant to
assume anything regarding such a situation and what was said on IRC was
the first hint or bait I'm aware of.
I kept logs and sure was supprised with some of the crap and sometimes
even who it was comming from. Clearly there are those who have a hard time
knowing the difference between helping and abusing. But that is also
something that can be said here in usenet and I can also say "in person"
get togethers.
So this "community" that is seen as having some value, what is it made of?
I'd say a good active part of it is not very well or fair intentioned and
most of the rest is simply nieve. There are of course those who fall into
both catagories. Those who are greedy and nieve. Those are the ones who
the bait of dollar signs will get them to bite, hooked and eaten.
I told Laire, on IRC, to find a way to offer Morphos to the C=Amiga users
in a way that doesn't infringe upon the "Purchasers" (very different than
the "creators") use of the Intellectual property (trademark) name of Amiga.
Now there are plenty of us that when we say Amiga in reference to the
C=Amiga system we are using, are in fact communication information
identifying some hardware and software, not a company or even who owns the
trademark, but hardware and software we own or are otherwise refering to.
We don't pay royalities to say the word, or even write in down.
So maybe Laire can realize that promoting his OS as the next AmigaOS or
such, is really just plain damn counter productive to (I'm assuming here -
I could be wrong) his goals.
There are alot of misconceptions going around about what AmigaDE is.
The fact is, bottom line, it's is in part an emulator by Tao called
"Elate" that is used to emulate imaginary hardware, such as a non
existant CPU.
Those who have been around within the history of Amiga know damn well what
an emulator is. In fact, there was a time - maybe still true, when Amiga
hardware and software could emulate more OS's than any other system,
mostly thru course third party software.
Ok so you have an emulator. What else is this AmigaDE?
For the Emulator to work hosted..... Wait a minute.... the word "Hosted"
is like saying ImageFX is "hosted" on the AmigaOS or one of the many
Emulators is "hosted" on the Amiga software or........ "Hosted" on the
Amiga Hardware.
So it's really an emulation application or program. But with Elate,
instead of writting a different emulator, of the imaginary CPU, so to
"run" on real hardware and/or real hardware based OS's, only a translation
mechanism between the "imaginary CPU" and the "real CPU" need be done.
Same goes for any other imaginary to real hardware.
But this Elate is all Tao Group product. So why call it AmigaDE?
Tao is supplying the imaginary hardware emulator, via software (mostly).
[Note: some of what is packaged by Tao is GNU (GPL) development software]
But Tao is not supplying the emulatorhuman interface values that
#5AmigaIP (fifth company to hold trademark and copyrights).
so what you have is:
what is being called AmigaDE (SDK w/Tao intent/Java and GNU dev tools)
On top of
TAO Group Elate - #5AmigaIP APIs
On Top of
others hardware & OS's
where the layers equate to
-HW/OS by whoever -- TAO -- #5AmigaIP --
real hardware/os -- translation = hardware Emulator -- human interface
#5AmigaIP is a customer of Tao Group, but they are not the only customer.
Elate and their Java product "intent" is as well sold to other customers,
such as Sharp. Customers of Tao's Elate can hire #5AmigaIP to provide
additional "user" interface "content" or what you might call programs,
including multimedia apps like games.
If you take away everything but what #5AmigaIP is doing, all you really
have is a human interface to another companies products. An interface
for developers to use, of which they too can use to create programs for
the end user.
In the "Developer Community" what #5AmigaIP is doing is refered to as
creating APIs (Application Programming Interfaces)
APIs have generally not been something for the end users to deal with,
but rather for use by those who write programs the end user might use.
*Arexx helped to bring some APIs into the hands of the end users.*
The AmigaDE package (existing in the AmigaSDK) is in essence, An Emulator,
that can as well contain in the to be sold package, user applicaions
(which naturally require the emulator to run.)
Now back to Laire and MorphOS.
Is MorphOS an emulator or a real OS?
Does Laire want to be considered #6AmigaIP?
Considering even the first one went broke!
Funny how things change. It used to be that you could emulate other OS's
to run their software on Amiga. But now it looks like the target product
is gonna be an emulation to run on other hardware and other OS's.
And it also looks like (according to what kelli wrote in
comp.sys.amiga.misc)
software the user makes use of is targeted to be rented per use, to the
end user.
Now what's the real value of the so called "Amiga Community"?
Rentee/leasee (buyer)?
You also have to buy a license to do business (sell)?
I'm sure there are variations customed designed so long as cash flow is
in a predetermined direction.
Ya know, I don't think #5AmigaIP is very concerned about the OS
competition but would love to do business selling them all AmigaDE to
run on and thru their systems, both software and cash flow system.
Of course Windows and Linux will get it for free. And Amiga users, they
get the opportunity to pay for it in several ways and several times, more
than any other system end user. Sure, why not continue on evolving a host
system called Amiga?
I made a commet on IRC, one that in ways seemed to be shared. I said that
I don't like the MS mentality that's been comming from #5AmigaIP. A "want
to own and control everything". A mentality I first noticed, and many
years ago, coming from fleecy and his supporters. The Greed thing,
obviously shared by enough in the so called "Amiga community" but
certainly not all. The sort of thing that brings on the aboved mentioned
"CRAP"
Someone commented back that they didn't mind it if fleecy/#5AmigaIP has
Gates mentality (obviousy a develper who is not fair intentioned and
probably a bit nieve). So I asked: who really wants another M$?
There was no answer. I guess they felt they would be repeating themselves.
And if I got anything wrong from the above, Well I paid attention best I
could thru IRC, web sites and even here, to what the show announcements
would be. Like many who stayed next to there system running IRC around the
world at all hours of the day and night, many tired, to finally hear Bill
play an april fools joke about sound and email.
This from a show promoted as "All will be known" or something to that
effect. Guess it was like the Collas use of "we" (which Bill probably
wrote for Collas the puppet), meaning all will be known to the select few.
Hmmm, was there an NDA signing at the banquet door? Wasn't there one last
year?
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I don't think programming FPGAs would be such a stated difficulty if the approach is right. And although what little I've read seems to still be more difficult than it needs to be, I Suspect the source of the problems are human mentality oriented, or what you might call programming of the human mind problems..
consider the details exposed in this link!
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The slashdot system is designed to cause public (geeks) responses that are then mined for value. The system is not designed to support back and forth communications over more than a few days at best. This helps to serve the objective of mining for fresh meat (initial responses). Anyone wanting to reach out with a request for help would more than likley not soley rely on /. to help, though it has been shown that if you need help with finding employees of non-standard programming quality, /. might well help you. For such a thing is alone the lines of the values extracted from the system.
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If you take a florecent (sp?) light bulb and put it up near a CB antenna and Key the mic the bulb will light up.
If you take a regular light bulb and throw it up in front of powerful enough microwave transmitter it will go offlike a flash cube.
But the thing about interference is a matter of frequency, that of interference being within the same frequency range.
The 60hz audio hum caused by improper grounding in audio equiptment is within the range of the audio equiptment subceptability. I'm sure wireless transmissions and reception interference is as well constrained within the specified range of the equipment.
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Guess I'm no the only one sitting to close to the microwave...(re: moderation) hehe
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As posted to the site/article mentioned:
The science of computing hasn't yet identified and made generally available the core functionality of abstraction manipulation mechanics. To use an analogy - what the patent office has done is something along the lines of accepting the earth is flat. But the earth is not flat and the limitation of sailing off the edge of the earth is a fabrication of illusion.
When genuine computer science reaches enough understanding of what computers are in terms of abstraction manipulation machines then it will also come to understand that most software patents are invalid. Although it is not uncommon for patents to be overturned, there will be an overload. How that problem will be resolved is hard to say as it's not so easy to determine what would have happened had not faulty constraints been applied in software thru invalid patents.
There are some things that international patent system can and do agree on. Such as, you cannot patent natural law, physical phenomenon and abstract ideas, and several other smaller but as important concepts like mathmatical algorythims and "inventions" which would be considered common obvious conclusion in the given field of use, etc. But upon a twisted and error prone foundation of distorted computer technology, patents are being to quickly issued, issued before the science has gotten back to being genuine, rather than biased and short sighted towards what can make money now.
These things, not patentable, are at the genuine foundation of abstraction manipulation mechanics and extend beyond computing. Through computers we can better recognize and objectively make use of such abstraction manipulation machinery.
To get a better idea, consider what is in the context of a USPTO RFC response to issues regarding prior art.
www.mindspring.com/~timrue/KNMVIC.html
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If there is anything you can be certain of is that the evolution of computer technology got off track of pure and genuine science of computing, otherwse we would not be today suffering from an apparent inability to solve the "software crisis".
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The clay institute $1m award is more so based on acceptance by the math community then it is on a solution. This reminds me of a story a math teacher told me. Something about a man who applied for membership in some American Math Society and was turned down. So he went back to europe and a few years later he returned and applied again, but this time he had a simple equasion that showed .999_ (repeating decimal) equalled 1. I also recall the story of Newton where he was dismissed by his colleagues and even an attempt to steal his discovery. And there are many other such histories ...
So for an award based more so on acceptance than on solution, it sounds to me that the Clay Institute will have plenty a way to so no. And in the event they ultimately cannot say no, then they can change the rules and awards at will it seems given their "rules".
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