Contradiction is just the automatic gainsaying of any statement the other person makes.
No it isn't!
And it's not informative, either.
Yes it is!
Well, actually, no you're right it's not informative at all. At most it's ever-so-slightly informative or funny. Mostly it's just me being a wag. One way or another, I was trying to engage Darkness404 on his intellectual level, and I think I achieved that.
all persons held as slaves within any State, or designated part of a State, the people whereof shall then be in rebellion against the United States shall be then, thenceforward, and forever free
[Citation needed] is the modern call of the idiot who has no better rebuttal. We need to coin a term for it as a logical fallacy, something like Denial Of Reality or something.
It would fix companies screwing their customers because the only options would be to serve their customers or lose money
Dude, come back to reality. This is so far from reality I can't believe that even an ideologue would say it. This market theory is premised on so many incorrect assumptions it's hard to find any truth in there at all.
I'm sure there are a couple examples, but I can't actually think of any standards which arose from unregulated markets. Insofar as standards benefit consumers (and that is insofar VERY far indeed), the credit is almost entirely due to unfree, regulated markets.
And who knows, had private enterprise designed the internet from the start, it could have more elegant solutions and such.
If private enterprise designed the internet, we would have had an internet designed by Microsoft, DoubleClick, and Real. Jesus, that makes me shudder. We all benefit every single day because the internet was designed by idealistic hippies who believed in sharing, equality, and freedom, even at the expense of profits. The internet is so good specifically because it was designed by academics and government.
Actually, we don't have to choose between those two things. That's called a "false choice." Everyone except for you realizes that there is a sliding scale of how much regulation and competition we want, and that the best market is a balance of many competing dimensions.
Well, no, actually a free market is absolutely an anarchy......which is why free markets are bad. (Bonus point: free markets are a fantasy, not a reality, so really people mean minimally regulated markets. Phrased that way it's more obvious why they are bad.)
Indeed. Nor is any other kind of market, considering the free market is like the perfect circle: an interesting concept which cannot exist in the physical universe.
We used to live under that system, and it fucking sucked. It sucked so badly that the masses revolted and demanded government regulate these industries which perpetrated terrible lies and destruction upon the population. This happened over and over and over again.
People like you have forgotten the lessons of history. Do you think big government was instituted by bureaucrats last Tuesday? We have built up the government over hundreds of years, a little at a time, each time to solve a problem. Every now and then we stumble, but we usually trade in a big problem (say, unregulated drug markets causing huge causualties) for a small one (say, fewer casualties).
No, because private enterprise would find a way to make it work.
No, it wouldn't.
If enough people want something and the government doesn't interfere, the free market comes up with an elegant solution that works.
No, it doesn't.
With enough research and such, perhaps there would be more interest in what today is considered to be "alternative" energy such as wind and it would be cheap, refined and usable.
No, there woudln't.
Of course when the government gives away free money to basically just burn coal, any other solutions are out because they would cost more initial money and look where that puts us today.
Jeez, you make it sound as if he helped build the pyramids or something. That's absurd. He wasn't born until almost a thousand years after the pyramids were built.
I'd rather live in that utopia, too. But until human nature changes, I'm happier having moderately regulated markets than the dysfunction of unregulated markets. We can disagree about this without arguing about it.
To respond to one point: if you are paying for your pipes, you can throttle any way you want. That's your right. Do what you want with your own equipment.
But if your customers are paying for the pipes, thus you are engaging in commerce, then society has some rules for you to obey. In fact we have hundreds of thousands of them, and now we are considering one more.
(Actually, even on your own equipment, we have some rules for you to obey, but many many fewer.)
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Contradiction is just the automatic gainsaying of any statement the other person makes.
No it isn't!
And it's not informative, either.
Yes it is!
Well, actually, no you're right it's not informative at all. At most it's ever-so-slightly informative or funny. Mostly it's just me being a wag. One way or another, I was trying to engage Darkness404 on his intellectual level, and I think I achieved that.
Can anyone honestly argue that an all private internet would have grown as fast in the last 25 years as this one has?
No, of course not; but they can dishonestly make that argument, and do.
The Emancipation Proclamation(s) freed no slaves
Jackass.
all persons held as slaves within any State, or designated part of a State, the people whereof shall then be in rebellion against the United States shall be then, thenceforward, and forever free
[Citation needed] is the modern call of the idiot who has no better rebuttal. We need to coin a term for it as a logical fallacy, something like Denial Of Reality or something.
Uh... By non-government actors preventing competitors from entering your market.
Is that a trick question or something? That happens every day of the week, even in today's smooth-running regulated markets.
It would fix companies screwing their customers because the only options would be to serve their customers or lose money
Dude, come back to reality. This is so far from reality I can't believe that even an ideologue would say it. This market theory is premised on so many incorrect assumptions it's hard to find any truth in there at all.
Wait, I'm not sure that's right. If a person ships drugs through the mail, the USPS will catch that, with drug-sniffing dogs and X-rays.
On the other hand, I think the USPS does not make a habit of opening envelopes and reading letters, which is probably what you mean.
But to be sure, the "expectation of privacy" is greatly diminished with things sent thru the mail.
Government opening the door to private industry does not equate to government creation
No? It sure seems that way to me. How not?
I'm sure there are a couple examples, but I can't actually think of any standards which arose from unregulated markets. Insofar as standards benefit consumers (and that is insofar VERY far indeed), the credit is almost entirely due to unfree, regulated markets.
And who knows, had private enterprise designed the internet from the start, it could have more elegant solutions and such.
If private enterprise designed the internet, we would have had an internet designed by Microsoft, DoubleClick, and Real. Jesus, that makes me shudder. We all benefit every single day because the internet was designed by idealistic hippies who believed in sharing, equality, and freedom, even at the expense of profits. The internet is so good specifically because it was designed by academics and government.
Actually, we don't have to choose between those two things. That's called a "false choice." Everyone except for you realizes that there is a sliding scale of how much regulation and competition we want, and that the best market is a balance of many competing dimensions.
Well, no, actually a free market is absolutely an anarchy... ...which is why free markets are bad. (Bonus point: free markets are a fantasy, not a reality, so really people mean minimally regulated markets. Phrased that way it's more obvious why they are bad.)
Indeed. Nor is any other kind of market, considering the free market is like the perfect circle: an interesting concept which cannot exist in the physical universe.
Competition would keep everything tidy soon enough.
I base my beliefs on evidence, which is why I completely reject statements like this one.
We used to live under that system, and it fucking sucked. It sucked so badly that the masses revolted and demanded government regulate these industries which perpetrated terrible lies and destruction upon the population. This happened over and over and over again.
People like you have forgotten the lessons of history. Do you think big government was instituted by bureaucrats last Tuesday? We have built up the government over hundreds of years, a little at a time, each time to solve a problem. Every now and then we stumble, but we usually trade in a big problem (say, unregulated drug markets causing huge causualties) for a small one (say, fewer casualties).
No, because private enterprise would find a way to make it work.
No, it wouldn't.
If enough people want something and the government doesn't interfere, the free market comes up with an elegant solution that works.
No, it doesn't.
With enough research and such, perhaps there would be more interest in what today is considered to be "alternative" energy such as wind and it would be cheap, refined and usable.
No, there woudln't.
Of course when the government gives away free money to basically just burn coal, any other solutions are out because they would cost more initial money and look where that puts us today.
No, they aren't.
the ancient and decrepit Helms
Jeez, you make it sound as if he helped build the pyramids or something. That's absurd. He wasn't born until almost a thousand years after the pyramids were built.
I'd rather live in that utopia, too. But until human nature changes, I'm happier having moderately regulated markets than the dysfunction of unregulated markets. We can disagree about this without arguing about it.
What stuff is that?
As much as we wish it were, it's not unconstitutional for a private company to violate your right to free speech.
Wow you got modded badly. That's tough.
To respond to one point: if you are paying for your pipes, you can throttle any way you want. That's your right. Do what you want with your own equipment.
But if your customers are paying for the pipes, thus you are engaging in commerce, then society has some rules for you to obey. In fact we have hundreds of thousands of them, and now we are considering one more.
(Actually, even on your own equipment, we have some rules for you to obey, but many many fewer.)
kthxbai
For the most part, that's right. However, without knowing the exact details of the federal VAWA, here is the wiki page
https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Violence_Against_Women_Act
and a short quote: "...the Office on Violence Against Women has the authority to ... develop federal policy around ... domestic violence..."
Some might say that the Feds have no authority in this realm, but there is some amount, at least, of Federal involvement in domestic battery law.
But, let me be clear, I'm not disagreeing with your point, which is almost totally right, and maybe should be totally right.
Way more than a stretch, it would be a laughably ridiculous absurdity if not for the fact that, apparently, some people take it seriously.
And I seriously laugh at those ridiculously absurd people.
More to the point, how do you "physically occupy" a slice of bandwidth? That's nonsense, just like the entire premise of this discussion.