Given the powers, size and 'corruption' of many larger corporations around today, AOL+TimeWarner, Microsoft, ENRON, WorldCom, McDonalds, WallMart etc......
And there impact on Governments and the way of life of billions of people.
Would you not say that capitalism is in the process of defeating it's self.
The companies aren't winning because of competition they win by buying out all the competition or forming a cartel.
If current trends continue over the next 10 years the whole world will be run by a handful of companies. Things like DMCA, blank media taxes, the collapse of the Microsoft trail are all good examples of corporate muscle beating governments into submission.
Hmm..... Well that's odd, although my only real interests in GPL are as a software producer I looked at the point of the consumer when I chose the license. I would say that this is a 'I answered why' approach, or the philosophical approach.
The approach you have described is a 'what' approach, which is a materialistic point of view.
If I treat my code and works in a not materilistic way the work fits that model and becomes 'communist'
If I treat the code and works as material then then it becomes somewhere between 'communist' and 'capitilist'
As a potential consumer of any GPL code i find, I can turn a possible 'producer' approach to GPL into 'consumer' approach.
USSR communist, jesus they did teach you weird things at school.
Remeber a few years ago, some woman kidnapped her child from cuba and took her to america?
And how the farther(who had rightful custody) thought Cuba was a great place so the child went back to live with him (after everything was dragged through the US media with all it's propaganda)
Cubas economy ain't doing too bad, especially when you consider its US trade relations.
GPL says you[everyone] may use the code but you[singular] can never own it or any derived works. a comunist framework in a capatilist world.
Start on this premmis, 1: Clearly you havn't bothered to verify your argument, you even say so. 2: You don't own the content of the DVD you own a licence for it. 3: Your one of the people who didn't answer why on the/. poll. 4:So far as GPL goes, your on the inside looking out, I'm on the outside looking in maybe you should resolve 1,2 and 3 it might help you get on the outside.
So postgress might not be as good as Oracle in many respects but it is usefull and easy to setup for some things.
If the government use say Postgress for a solution then the work they do on Postgress should be fed back into the project.
The next time the Government wants a database Postgress is that little bit better than it was before, and Oracle may still be the same.
The benifits gained from reinvesting in OSS are that the next time you or anyone else want's a database, UI, printserver whatever the OSS variants are a little bit better than they were before.
Corel are a good example, they decided the cheepest way to port Wordperfect &co to linux was to use Wine. In return they spent some time improving Wine for the port and handed back to the community (not required by the wine licence).
Corel probably saved some money in the porting process by using Wine and Wine gained all the enhancements Corel put in.
The same is happening with code-weavers and Wine X.
When a government controls things like monopolys then it's not captilism, there's a different word for it(but i can't remember at the moment!)
If you run a capatilist free market, but with no IP style ownership you get a strange system where the economy is split between technologists and manufacturers, and monopolys become more-or-less impossible.
'an economic system characterized by private or corporate ownership of capital goods'
So ownership (aka copyright in the IP world) characterized capatilism.
and
'mainly by competition in a free market' that is mainly not wholely, when the free market infriges upon ownership then ownership will rule in a capatilist system.
You could also consider Buying the government as part of the free market and democracy. You vote for Jimmy, The Smith coperation 'owns' Jimmy, Jimmy passes bill that The Smith coperation believes will aid it's capatil indevors.
It is ofcorse true that capatilism is a self defeating system, where the idea of the game is to own everything and become a corporate dictatorship.
This is now a standard reply, so i've included links and copytext!!!
What, Please goto www.m-w.com look up capatilist.
Main Entry: capitalism Pronunciation: 'ka-p&-t&l-"iz-&m, 'kap-t&l-, British also k&-'pi-t&l- Function: noun Date: 1877 : an economic system characterized by private or corporate ownership of capital goods, by investments that are determined by private decision, and by prices, production, and the distribution of goods that are determined mainly by competition in a free market
Main Entry: state capitalism Function: noun Date: 1903 : an economic system in which private capitalism is modified by a varying degree of government ownership and control
Sound like what the DMCA/RIAA are based on?
DMCA and the RIAA are enforcing strict ownership and copyright that is capatilist.
1: Well the original parent said somthing along the lines of, 'What with the 2000 apps x distro installs It's going to take them ages to convert them all' 2: Thats were design comes in, Project management is well shit, what they need is a tool that integrates project management and design from the framework level right down to each function in an application. This method allows micro management of a node so that you can have 1000 managers/drivers on a project, each managing a node and each talk up or down a node, even the person who codes the function can be considered a manager.
What GPL does is Relinquishing 'ownership' as soon as someone tries to own the code it gives the original author powers to force disownership of the code. GPL enpowers the original author to force disownership of release code, there is no way the original author can get the release code back becuase he no-longer 'owns' it.
If I use public domain code I can claim copyright on the derived works, and keep them closed source. I own the code (this is capatilism)
If I use GPL code then I maybe able to claim some copyright, but I'm forced to distribute the product freely with opensource. everyone owns the code (this is communism)
GPL == Communist because it enforges communist ideals (ownership by everyone)
Public Domain != Communist becuase it can be owned.
If you have 10 groups of people(who feed back to each other weekley) all trying to solve a problem then your probably going to solve the problem faster and better than if you had one group.
Also, Just look at the huge amount of software churned out by INDIA, ok it might not be great but it fits the spec.
What the poster has done is to post a comment which raises a valid point of discussion, but he knows that the American readership of/. is going to bight and go on a mad your all evil i'm no communist binge.
The comment is intended to show the lack of understanding and the stupidity(in the your all evil sense) of the/. readership.
take 1 Billion(US) Chinese say 0.1% are exelent coders and 1% are ok coders that gives you.
900,000 coders and 100,000 UBA coders to hand. when you take into account 'given enough eyes all bugs are shallow' I'm sure between them they can produce quality code.
The Chinese are well known for there technical exelance.
I aggree that GPL isn't totaly comunist, it is nearly pure comunist.
Once you release code under GPL you have effectivly relenquished everyones copyright on the GPL'd code, you can ofcorse also release a non-GPL version. but the GPL version will always be GPL, so long as someone else has a copy.
The population of china is huge, if they wanted to they could easly mobalise a workforce the same saze as the UK who only work on linux. After a coupld of months a few thousand man years of work will have been done.
you get 8 chars to a 64bit bus, I believe (at least in the 16bit 32bit days) a int is a machine word be it 8 16 32 64 bits. a long long is 64 bits a long (in c) is 32 bits a short is 16 bits and a char 8 bits.
etither that or i'm going to have to put a load of #ifdef's in my code!!!
you should use int's for general paramiters because there faster(generally). and the correct data type when needed.
I want to move off of sourceforge because it's in the US, because my project involves reverse engineering and Im just about to do some decription code(just an XOR) but there's potential problems with DMCA FBI and all that.
So i would like to know where are the Savannah servers based.
That's my point The latency on a PC of accessing the HDD for video compaired to RAM (over say 1gb+) and processing it is so high that you might as well hit swap-space.
You'll only be doing shoe string productions anyhows so setting it off before you go to work and getting the results when you come home will be fine for most people. If you more serious then you should really buy propper hardware or setup a processing farm.
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capitalism is to do with ownership.
McDonalds,
Given the powers, size and 'corruption' of many larger corporations around today,
AOL+TimeWarner,
Microsoft,
ENRON,
WorldCom,
WallMart
etc......
And there impact on Governments and the way of life of billions of people.
Would you not say that capitalism is in the process of defeating it's self.
The companies aren't winning because of competition they win by buying out all the competition or forming a cartel.
If current trends continue over the next 10 years the whole world will be run by a handful of companies. Things like DMCA, blank media taxes, the collapse of the Microsoft trail are all good examples of corporate muscle beating governments into submission.
Hmm.....
Well that's odd, although my only real interests in GPL are as a software producer I looked at the point of the consumer when I chose the license. I would say that this is a 'I answered why' approach, or the philosophical approach.
The approach you have described is a 'what' approach, which is a materialistic point of view.
If I treat my code and works in a not materilistic way the work fits that model and becomes 'communist'
If I treat the code and works as material then then it becomes somewhere between 'communist' and 'capitilist'
As a potential consumer of any GPL code i find, I can turn a possible 'producer' approach to GPL into 'consumer' approach.
USSR communist, jesus they did teach you weird things at school.
Remeber a few years ago, some woman kidnapped her child from cuba and took her to america?
And how the farther(who had rightful custody) thought Cuba was a great place so the child went back to live with him (after everything was dragged through the US media with all it's propaganda)
Cubas economy ain't doing too bad, especially when you consider its US trade relations.
GPL says you[everyone] may use the code but you[singular] can never own it or any derived works. a comunist framework in a capatilist world.
Start on this premmis,
1: Clearly you havn't bothered to verify your argument, you even say so.
2: You don't own the content of the DVD you own a licence for it.
3: Your one of the people who didn't answer why on the
4:So far as GPL goes, your on the inside looking out, I'm on the outside looking in maybe you should resolve 1,2 and 3 it might help you get on the outside.
If you only had communism then evrything would be licenced in the same way as GPL.
GPL is a communist framework in a capatilist world.
Capatilism has nothing to do with competition, ELUA's enforce the ownership of whatever you using, they say you don't own a copy I do.
once code is relased under GPL you no longer 'OWN' it, it is free to run wild and you can't stop it.
Unless. someone else trys to 'OWN' the code and prevent it from running wild, then you can stop them owning it.
So postgress might not be as good as Oracle in many respects but it is usefull and easy to setup for some things.
If the government use say Postgress for a solution then the work they do on Postgress should be fed back into the project.
The next time the Government wants a database Postgress is that little bit better than it was before, and Oracle may still be the same.
The benifits gained from reinvesting in OSS are that the next time you or anyone else want's a database, UI, printserver whatever the OSS variants are a little bit better than they were before.
Corel are a good example, they decided the cheepest way to port Wordperfect &co to linux was to use Wine. In return they spent some time improving Wine for the port and handed back to the community (not required by the wine licence).
Corel probably saved some money in the porting process by using Wine and Wine gained all the enhancements Corel put in.
The same is happening with code-weavers and Wine X.
When a government controls things like monopolys then it's not captilism, there's a different word for it(but i can't remember at the moment!)
If you run a capatilist free market, but with no IP style ownership you get a strange system where the economy is split between technologists and manufacturers, and monopolys become more-or-less impossible.
'an economic system characterized by private or corporate ownership of capital goods'
So ownership (aka copyright in the IP world) characterized capatilism.
and
'mainly by competition in a free market' that is mainly not wholely, when the free market infriges upon ownership then ownership will rule in a capatilist system.
You could also consider Buying the government as part of the free market and democracy.
You vote for Jimmy, The Smith coperation 'owns' Jimmy, Jimmy passes bill that The Smith coperation believes will aid it's capatil indevors.
It is ofcorse true that capatilism is a self defeating system, where the idea of the game is to own everything and become a corporate dictatorship.
This is now a standard reply, so i've included links and copytext!!!
.
What,
Please goto www.m-w.com look up capatilist.
Main Entry: capitalism
Pronunciation: 'ka-p&-t&l-"iz-&m, 'kap-t&l-, British also k&-'pi-t&l-
Function: noun
Date: 1877
: an economic system characterized by private or corporate ownership of capital goods, by investments that are determined by private decision, and by prices, production, and the distribution of goods that are determined mainly by competition in a free market
Main Entry: state capitalism
Function: noun
Date: 1903
: an economic system in which private capitalism is modified by a varying degree of government ownership and control
Sound like what the DMCA/RIAA are based on?
DMCA and the RIAA are enforcing strict ownership and copyright that is capatilist.
Your thinking about free market which differet from capatilist. Read Wealth of the nations be Adam Smith
DMCA and the RIAA are certainly not capatilist.
What,
Please goto www.m-w.com or www.dictionary.com and look up capatilist.
DMCA and the RIAA are enforcing strict ownership and copyright that is capatilist.
Your thinking about free market which differet from capatilist. Read wealth of the nations be Adam Smith .
1:
Well the original parent said somthing along the lines of,
'What with the 2000 apps x distro installs It's going to take them ages to convert them all'
2: Thats were design comes in,
Project management is well shit, what they need is a tool that integrates project management and design from the framework level right down to each function in an application.
This method allows micro management of a node so that you can have 1000 managers/drivers on a project, each managing a node and each talk up or down a node, even the person who codes the function can be considered a manager.
I did say ~= communist not === communist
What GPL does is Relinquishing 'ownership' as soon as someone tries to own the code it gives the original author powers to force disownership of the code.
GPL enpowers the original author to force disownership of release code, there is no way the original author can get the release code back becuase he no-longer 'owns' it.
If I use public domain code I can claim copyright on the derived works, and keep them closed source. I own the code (this is capatilism)
If I use GPL code then I maybe able to claim some copyright, but I'm forced to distribute the product freely with opensource. everyone owns the code (this is communism)
GPL == Communist because it enforges communist ideals (ownership by everyone)
Public Domain != Communist becuase it can be owned.
If you have 10 groups of people(who feed back to each other weekley) all trying to solve a problem then your probably going to solve the problem faster and better than if you had one group.
Also,
Just look at the huge amount of software churned out by INDIA, ok it might not be great but it fits the spec.
Well an IQ of 130+ puts you in the top 4% or something.
140+ in the top 1%+
so using that assumption the top 0.1% of the population should be fairly bright and reasonably good at anything theye put there minds to.
I know less that 1000 people, and I know a couple of very good programmers.
Heard from ENRON just before they collapsed.
"When I said burn all the books I meant , 'put them on the fire', not 'copy them onto CD'"
What the poster has done is to post a comment which raises a valid point of discussion, but he knows that the American readership of /. is going to bight and go on a mad your all evil i'm no communist binge.
/. readership.
The comment is intended to show the lack of understanding and the stupidity(in the your all evil sense) of the
Well you could look at it this way.
take 1 Billion(US) Chinese
say 0.1% are exelent coders and 1% are ok coders that gives you.
900,000 coders and 100,000 UBA coders to hand.
when you take into account 'given enough eyes all bugs are shallow'
I'm sure between them they can produce quality code.
The Chinese are well known for there technical exelance.
I aggree that GPL isn't totaly comunist, it is nearly pure comunist.
Once you release code under GPL you have effectivly relenquished everyones copyright on the GPL'd code,
you can ofcorse also release a non-GPL version. but the GPL version will always be GPL, so long as someone else has a copy.
Why is the parent flamebate?
Personally I would call opensource, P2P networks &co comunist.
DMCA and all the RIAA lobying is capatilist.
If you don't believe me then lookup what the words comunist and capatilist mean and go and read the communist manifesto
Moding as flame-bate is the only flame here.
The funny thing is, what you are saying is compleatly true!
GPL is all but comunist, because it removes ownership from a single person.
ELUA's are super capatilist (more like corporate state capatilist) because the enforce the ownership with the software producer.
The population of china is huge, if they wanted to they could easly mobalise a workforce the same saze as the UK who only work on linux. After a coupld of months a few thousand man years of work will have been done.
you get 8 chars to a 64bit bus,
I believe (at least in the 16bit 32bit days) a int is a machine word be it 8 16 32 64 bits.
a long long is 64 bits
a long (in c) is 32 bits
a short is 16 bits
and a char 8 bits.
etither that or i'm going to have to put a load of #ifdef's in my code!!!
you should use int's for general paramiters because there faster(generally).
and the correct data type when needed.
I want to move off of sourceforge because it's in the US, because my project involves reverse engineering and Im just about to do some decription code(just an XOR) but there's potential problems with DMCA FBI and all that.
So i would like to know where are the Savannah servers based.
That's my point
The latency on a PC of accessing the HDD for video compaired to RAM (over say 1gb+) and processing it is so high that you might as well hit swap-space.
You'll only be doing shoe string productions anyhows so setting it off before you go to work and getting the results when you come home will be fine for most people. If you more serious then you should really buy propper hardware or setup a processing farm.