The protocol is still open. I still have my copy of the protocol that I got when I downloaded and installed TNT (the AIM client for emacs).. You are free to build your own AIM client if you like, however you cannot register AIM users. the FREE registration can be gotten from aol's website www.aol.com/aim/. Microsft asked people for their AOL usernames and passwords just to use the Microsoft AIM client. Aol considers this a violation of account security and as such, they turned disallowed the use of the microsft messenger. If microsoft were to redesign it so that the user's information remained secure AOL would probably allow it.
---- begin cut and copy ---- The following opinion piece by Barry Schuler, president of AOL's Interactive Services Group, appeared in the 7/27 edition of USA Today.
Back in 1985, nearly a decade before the World Wide Web was even invented, America Online Inc. pioneered the concept of instant messaging. We believed that connecting people in new ways was key to building a new medium -- and for the past 14 years we've been striving to build online communities.
We've always recognized the importance of making these instant messaging tools available to everyone, so we've made them an interal part of every one of our services. But we recognized that the Internet is an open system, and not everybody wanted to subscribe to AOL, so about two years ago we created a free version called AOL Instant Messenger. Anybody could use it -- whether they chose to be members of AOL or not. And any company could distribute it -- even our competitors. In the past year, we've taken our commitment to openness to a new level by working with companies like IBM to enable them to embed instant messaging into their Lotus products.
So nobody is more committed to facilitating communications between people, and to making these tools broadly available, then AOL. And now that other companies are also interested in instant messaging, we're equally committed to interconnecting their systems with ours so that instant messaging can work like e-mail or the telephone.
We were disappointed last week to see that instead of working with us, Microsoft took steps to work around us -- and possibly put the tens of millions of people relying on instant messaging at risk. Micosoft chose to breach the security of instant messaging by asking users to surrender their passwords, and they also breached the security of AOL's internal system by accessing it without authorization.
We have reached out to Microsoft and urged them to work with us to develop a standard that respects the security and privacy of instant messaging users. Their only response has been to continue to attack our system and compromise our users' online safety. That's wrong, and it's not the way to develop an open system that puts consumers first and builds a medium that we can be proud of. ---- end cut here ----
thats all there is to it folks. If microsoft simply tried to work WITh Aol to design a good instant messenger program there would not have been a problem.
...Mr. Metcalf may be right. Windows has just gotten too big, even for itself. And Gates won't let it leave just like that, especally because it won't. Remember those +12mil AOL users? They're all using Windows...
They actually have more than 17 million now.. surprisingly enough they use unix for their infrastructure, but don't have a *nix client.
AOL's marketing strategy revolves around people who have never used computers before in their lives. So far, its made them a lot of money.
Windows is easy. Change is hard. Windows gets shoved in their faces on a daily basis, and that's how they know it exsists. It's marketing, people, the same way AOL made it's fortune. Linux has no marketing as of now, and if we wish to save it, we're gonna need one hell of a marketing strategy by the time W2K comes out.
Save it from what? Linux is free. Its not in the business of making money. There is no threat of it being annihilated, it does not require any revenue to continue, linux is self-supporting. So what if there are more people on AOL than use linux. If they don't want linux, too bad for them -- it is their loss.
And secondly, more software needs to be avalible to the masses that's Linux-compatable in order for this thing to work.
Go out and buy a book or two on programming -- and start coding. Thats how linux started, and thats the way it should continue to be. Its what made linux better than offerings from the big businesses, and its what will allow linux to continue to be good.
Why is everyone so determined to make linux into something more than it is? Linux is a powerful operating system designed from the perspective that the people using it would know what they were doing, would contribute improvements to make it better, and would use it and be happy.
Why is it now a way of life? A philosophy, hell almost a religion? Why is big business looking to linux to increase its capital? Why is my computer's operating system being compared to economic philosophy? It just runs programs.
I don't really care what metcalfe or anyone else says. I use linux because I like linux. It is stable and does everything I want it to do. There is no need for me to compare torvalds to lenin.
OS development is turning into a holy war, and for what? Since linux's inception it has been a revolutionary concept -- allowing the system administrator and other creative persons to adjust the way their computer works to fit their own needs. I like that idea. But why is it that now people are only concerned with benchmarking, uptime statistics, philosphy, capital, big business, etc?
Simply put, if you use linux you have your own reasons for doing so. You like it or you don't. If you don't like it, then you don't need to use it. But there is no reason to debate over it. It either meets your needs/wants/hopes/desires/dreams, or it doesn't.
My god people, its just an operating system. Its not a way of life. Its not some uber-enlightenment period in the history of mankind. Use it or don't. Just stop whining.
You're right. He is a criminal. He did break the law. He stole confidential information.
However, that doesn't mean he deserves what he is getting. The biggest problem I have with the Mitnick case is that no one deserves to be held this long without having a trial. (As of this writing 4 years, 2 months, 24 days, 33 minutes xx seconds.)
Now if that doesn't make you feel the least bit outraged or nervous about the us government then I think you might have some mental problems.
I am not condoning what he's done. I wouldn't say that he was even wrongfully accused, but come on. 4 years? If you accidentally hit a pedestrian while driving home from work one day, and were charged with manslaughter would you want to spend 4 years in jail, just to tell the judge that the stupid ass jumped out in front of your car?
I agree. In this sense, Umbro is a 'claim-jumper.'
The previous owners of umbro.com registered that domain with internic, much the same as a gold miner would pay his fee, and register a plot of land in the gold rush days.
What I'm afraid they're saying here is that: If you have registered/paid for a domain name. You don't have the rights to that domain name should someone else register that name as their corporation's trademark.
If you have the $$, you can get what you want from the courts. just look at what happened with OJ.
I'm downloading slack 4.0 right now, I looked in the a package before downloading and noticed in addition to libc4 and 5 it has glibc2.
I'm not sure if I should be happy or afraid for this. The only reason I am even downloading it right now and not waiting for a CD is because glibc2 thrashed my system last night. Pretty good timing, because reinstalling from my slackware 3.2 cd after doing an fdisk doesn't sound like a fun proposition.
I've been using slackware since nov '95. I've never used any other distro -- I'm kinda confused as to what all the fuss is about. I like slackware. I'll continue to buy slackware.
Slack off. Get slack.
later
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Yeah, marrying someone just for sex doesn't really sound like the best idea.
But to be perfectly honest, I can think of worse things than having to come home to a supermodel every night. Then proceeding to have sex with them would make the whole deal even better.
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The protocol is still open. I still have my copy of the protocol that I got when I downloaded and installed TNT (the AIM client for emacs).. You are free to build your own AIM client if you like, however you cannot register AIM users. the FREE registration can be gotten from aol's website www.aol.com/aim/. Microsft asked people for their AOL usernames and passwords just to use the Microsoft AIM client. Aol considers this a violation of account security and as such, they turned disallowed the use of the microsft messenger. If microsoft were to redesign it so that the user's information remained secure AOL would probably allow it.
---- begin cut and copy ----
The following opinion piece by Barry Schuler, president of AOL's Interactive Services Group, appeared in the 7/27 edition of USA Today.
Back in 1985, nearly a decade before the World Wide Web was even invented, America Online Inc. pioneered the concept of instant messaging. We believed that connecting people in new ways was key to building a new medium -- and for the past 14 years we've been striving to build online communities.
We've always recognized the importance of making these instant messaging tools available to everyone, so we've made them an interal part of every one of our services. But we recognized that the Internet is an open system, and not everybody wanted to subscribe to AOL, so about two years ago we created a free version called AOL Instant Messenger. Anybody could use it -- whether they chose to be members of AOL or not. And any company could distribute it -- even our competitors. In the past year, we've taken our
commitment to openness to a new level by working with companies like IBM to enable them to embed instant messaging into their Lotus products.
So nobody is more committed to facilitating communications between people, and to making these tools broadly available, then AOL. And now that other companies are also interested in instant messaging, we're equally committed to interconnecting their systems with ours so that instant messaging can work like e-mail or the telephone.
We were disappointed last week to see that instead of working with us, Microsoft took steps to work around us -- and possibly put the tens of millions of people relying on instant messaging at risk. Micosoft chose to breach the security of instant messaging by asking users to surrender their passwords, and they also breached the security of AOL's internal system by accessing it without authorization.
We have reached out to Microsoft and urged them to work with us to develop a standard that respects the security and privacy of instant messaging users. Their only response has been to continue to attack our system and compromise our users' online safety. That's wrong, and it's not the way to develop an open system that puts consumers first and builds a medium that we can be proud of.
---- end cut here ----
thats all there is to it folks. If microsoft simply tried to work WITh Aol to design a good instant messenger program there would not have been a problem.
King_Ruin
...Mr. Metcalf may be right. Windows has just gotten too big, even for itself. And Gates won't let it leave just like that, especally because it won't. Remember those +12mil AOL users? They're all using Windows...
They actually have more than 17 million now.. surprisingly enough they use unix for their infrastructure, but don't have a *nix client.
AOL's marketing strategy revolves around people who have never used computers before in their lives. So far, its made them a lot of money.
Windows is easy. Change is hard. Windows gets shoved in their faces on a daily basis, and that's how they know it exsists. It's marketing, people, the same way AOL made it's fortune. Linux has no marketing as of now, and if we wish to save it, we're gonna need one hell of a marketing strategy by the time W2K comes out.
Save it from what? Linux is free. Its not in the business of making money. There is no threat of it being annihilated, it does not require any revenue to continue, linux is self-supporting. So what if there are more people on AOL than use linux. If they don't want linux, too bad for them -- it is their loss.
And secondly, more software needs to be avalible to the masses that's Linux-compatable in order for this thing to work.
Go out and buy a book or two on programming -- and start coding. Thats how linux started, and thats the way it should continue to be. Its what made linux better than offerings from the big businesses, and its what will allow linux to continue to be good.
Why is everyone so determined to make linux into something more than it is? Linux is a powerful operating system designed from the perspective that the people using it would know what they were doing, would contribute improvements to make it better, and would use it and be happy.
Why is it now a way of life? A philosophy, hell almost a religion? Why is big business looking to linux to increase its capital? Why is my computer's operating system being compared to economic philosophy? It just runs programs.
I don't really care what metcalfe or anyone else says. I use linux because I like linux. It is stable and does everything I want it to do. There is no need for me to compare torvalds to lenin.
OS development is turning into a holy war, and for what? Since linux's inception it has been a revolutionary concept -- allowing the system administrator and other creative persons to adjust the way their computer works to fit their own needs. I like that idea. But why is it that now people are only concerned with benchmarking, uptime statistics, philosphy, capital, big business, etc?
Simply put, if you use linux you have your own reasons for doing so. You like it or you don't. If you don't like it, then you don't need to use it. But there is no reason to debate over it. It either meets your needs/wants/hopes/desires/dreams, or it doesn't.
My god people, its just an operating system. Its not a way of life. Its not some uber-enlightenment period in the history of mankind. Use it or don't. Just stop whining.
'Nuff said.
You're right. He is a criminal. He did break the law. He stole confidential information.
However, that doesn't mean he deserves what he is getting. The biggest problem I have with the Mitnick case is that no one deserves to be held this long without having a trial. (As of this writing 4 years, 2 months, 24 days, 33 minutes xx seconds.)
Now if that doesn't make you feel the least bit outraged or nervous about the us government then I think you might have some mental problems.
I am not condoning what he's done. I wouldn't say that he was even wrongfully accused, but come on. 4 years? If you accidentally hit a pedestrian while driving home from work one day, and were charged with manslaughter would you want to spend 4 years in jail, just to tell the judge that the stupid ass jumped out in front of your car?
Bleah.
-King_Ruin
... So who gets the profits of the sales of those other domains? The lawyers? The court? Internic? Umbro?
None of which need the money...
I agree. In this sense, Umbro is a 'claim-jumper.'
The previous owners of umbro.com registered that domain with internic, much the same as a gold miner would pay his fee, and register a plot of land in the gold rush days.
What I'm afraid they're saying here is that: If you have registered/paid for a domain name. You don't have the rights to that domain name should someone else register that name as their corporation's trademark.
If you have the $$, you can get what you want from the courts. just look at what happened with OJ.
I'm downloading slack 4.0 right now, I looked in the a package before downloading and noticed in addition to libc4 and 5 it has glibc2.
I'm not sure if I should be happy or afraid for this. The only reason I am even downloading it right now and not waiting for a CD is because glibc2 thrashed my system last night. Pretty good timing, because reinstalling from my slackware 3.2 cd after doing an fdisk doesn't sound like a fun proposition.
I've been using slackware since nov '95. I've never used any other distro -- I'm kinda confused as to what all the fuss is about. I like slackware. I'll continue to buy slackware.
Slack off. Get slack.
later
Yeah, marrying someone just for sex doesn't really sound like the best idea.
But to be perfectly honest, I can think of worse things than having to come home to a supermodel every night. Then proceeding to have sex with them would make the whole deal even better.
All in all, I think it might be worth it. =)
Nod, libel: defamation of a person by written or representational means.
the law suit was for slander, right? This is clearly a libel case... which would make it moot. There was no slander here, which was my original point.
boo.
Hmm.. this raises yet another interesting question. Is this even really slander? I would say not.
The dictionary defines slander as: a false and defamatory oral statement about a person
Note; I didn't hear any oral comments tbrough my computer -- did you?
Bah. why don't they just go watch more tv?