Come on down, I would be happy to give you a tour of my property, including the ancient indian burial graves.... Quite frankly the portion of the country you are disavowing is the portion that feeds you. So, create all these shanty towns, ghost towns or what ever, abuse the farm land like you have done in your own states, and when you get hungry and cry out because bread is 10 dollars a loaf and the city population is dying from malnutrion, I will be sitting back with my GUNS on MY LAND and enjoying a good home grown meal....
So take your liberal Gun hating ass and keep it in the city because you are definatly not wanted here.
Or even better yet, why don't you just leave the union and form your own country and make a go of it if you are feeling that disenfranchised. This country could do wonders with a lot less weekend tree huggers and liberal faggots.
1. "If hand recounts are less accurate than machine recounts, why are hand recounts ordered by law in case in dispute in both Florida and Texas, as well as most of the other states? "
Well, as most idiots are apt to do, they do not listen to the facts, Texas uses optical scanning for their balot counting, and two they also have a state wide proceedure for counting them manually, something that seems to change by the minute in florida.
2. "How can Gore have "clearly lost" the hand recount when the recount wasn't allowed to finish? Do you think shipping in goons to harass election canvassing boards into calling off recounts is an acceptable outcome in a Western democracy?"
The county that could not finish their recount in time took time off for the holidays instead of working through it like the other county. And this was a total democrat election board. They did not use thier time wisely. The other county did not want to do a full recount of their county after the sampling of 1%, but conceded when Gore's Troop of lawyers pressured them into. They realized that they were not going to have enough time to do a full recount even by the supreme courts timeline.
3. "The woman who certified this vote, and who has consistently attempted to block all attempts at hand recounts, is Bush's co-campaign chair in Florida. How can this be allowed to happen? Do they not have conflict of interest laws in Florida? Further, her job is due to be slated out of existence at the end of her term, which means she's looking for work. She'll get a plum appointment in a Bush administration, maybe even an Ambassadorship. Is this the way we do elections in America? Sounds more like one of those new Russian states making it's first attempt at democracy."
Well, while you are slinging crap, what about the lovely Attorney General? His office is supposed to represent the Secretary of State in Court Cases, and they were on the other side. Considering those posts are elected positions, anyone would be labeled partisan. Why don't you take the time to read the laws in question and read the complete law, don't just skip around and read the sections you want.
4. "Why are most of the optical counting machines in Florida in Republican areas, where the shitty old punchcard systems are in place in Democratic strongholds?"
Because the Democrats were toooooo cheap to buy them. They could have upgraded them, but they chose not too.
Actually your rural areas are poorer per capita than large cities since most of the populus are farmers or along those lines where wages are very minimal. The dividing lines for this vote are conservatives versus liberals.
First let me state that I did not vote for either one of these people, I voted for who I wanted to win. I don't like either candidate. There are many arguments on both sides, and quite frankly I am tired of the wining on both sides. What I do not want is a president decided on who has the best lawyers.
YES, a Machine count is more accurate in the fact that it is not biased in deciding who the ballot is for. I am not against hand recounting if there are standards. I live in Oklahoma and don't have to worry about some idiot named chad, because our ballots are state wide identical and are optically read with a line drawn through who we voted for and if there is a problem with the ballot, we are notified when we feed it into the machine at the voting location, where we are given a chance to either fix it or leave it how it is. I am registered republican but I actually vote for who I think will do the best job. As for this election, I voted Libritarian, Republican and Democratic depending on the candidate. I damned sure would not want someone trying to read my mind and deciding how I voted. I would rather my vote not count if I am not smart enough to ensure that I completed the ballot correctly.
As for the differences in the counts between the first machine count and the second machine count it is attributed to ballots with chads that had not fallen off during the first run, and were off for the second run. Hand recounting ballots with dangling chads is fine, as long as there is only one vote for president, but dimpled ballots are not conclusive enough for counting a vote.
As for the numbers, take them if you need them to sleep better, but anyone can come up with numbers for either side to make their point.
My end point is, Enough is enough. Either pick a damned pres-elect or don't, but keep the courts and lawyers out of it.
Well, at least bush will be the winner until the idiot lawyers get their hands on it tomarrow and steal the election from him. Quite frankly, I think that the hand counting is biased, because quite frankly humans are not impartial, we are going to see what we wish to see. If the lawyers and judicial system decide this election any further, I think I will move to Canada or some other country, because it will mean that all this country was founded on has been yet again trampled on by legal weasels.
Since when has religion not been used for evil purposes? Approximately 99 percent of all wars have been fought over religion. This country was established on the basis of religious freedom. Also without theories, we would still be throwing our crap around just like the apes.
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Come on down, I would be happy to give you a tour of my property, including the ancient indian burial graves.... Quite frankly the portion of the country you are disavowing is the portion that feeds you. So, create all these shanty towns, ghost towns or what ever, abuse the farm land like you have done in your own states, and when you get hungry and cry out because bread is 10 dollars a loaf and the city population is dying from malnutrion, I will be sitting back with my GUNS on MY LAND and enjoying a good home grown meal....
So take your liberal Gun hating ass and keep it in the city because you are definatly not wanted here.
Or even better yet, why don't you just leave the union and form your own country and make a go of it if you are feeling that disenfranchised. This country could do wonders with a lot less weekend tree huggers and liberal faggots.
1. "If hand recounts are less accurate than machine recounts, why are hand recounts ordered by law in case in dispute in both Florida and Texas, as well as most of the other states? "
Well, as most idiots are apt to do, they do not listen to the facts, Texas uses optical scanning for their balot counting, and two they also have a state wide proceedure for counting them manually, something that seems to change by the minute in florida.
2. "How can Gore have "clearly lost" the hand recount when the recount wasn't allowed to finish? Do you think shipping in goons to harass election canvassing boards into calling off recounts is an acceptable outcome in a Western democracy?"
The county that could not finish their recount in time took time off for the holidays instead of working through it like the other county. And this was a total democrat election board. They did not use thier time wisely. The other county did not want to do a full recount of their county after the sampling of 1%, but conceded when Gore's Troop of lawyers pressured them into. They realized that they were not going to have enough time to do a full recount even by the supreme courts timeline.
3. "The woman who certified this vote, and who has consistently attempted to block all attempts at hand recounts, is Bush's co-campaign chair in Florida. How can this be allowed to happen? Do they not have conflict of interest laws in Florida? Further, her job is due to be slated out of existence at the end of her term, which means she's looking for work. She'll get a plum appointment in a Bush administration, maybe even an Ambassadorship. Is this the way we do elections in America? Sounds more like one of those new Russian states making it's first attempt at democracy."
Well, while you are slinging crap, what about the lovely Attorney General? His office is supposed to represent the Secretary of State in Court Cases, and they were on the other side. Considering those posts are elected positions, anyone would be labeled partisan. Why don't you take the time to read the laws in question and read the complete law, don't just skip around and read the sections you want.
4. "Why are most of the optical counting machines in Florida in Republican areas, where the shitty old punchcard systems are in place in Democratic strongholds?"
Because the Democrats were toooooo cheap to buy them. They could have upgraded them, but they chose not too.
Actually your rural areas are poorer per capita than large cities since most of the populus are farmers or along those lines where wages are very minimal. The dividing lines for this vote are conservatives versus liberals.
First let me state that I did not vote for either one of these people, I voted for who I wanted to win. I don't like either candidate. There are many arguments on both sides, and quite frankly I am tired of the wining on both sides. What I do not want is a president decided on who has the best lawyers.
YES, a Machine count is more accurate in the fact that it is not biased in deciding who the ballot is for. I am not against hand recounting if there are standards. I live in Oklahoma and don't have to worry about some idiot named chad, because our ballots are state wide identical and are optically read with a line drawn through who we voted for and if there is a problem with the ballot, we are notified when we feed it into the machine at the voting location, where we are given a chance to either fix it or leave it how it is. I am registered republican but I actually vote for who I think will do the best job. As for this election, I voted Libritarian, Republican and Democratic depending on the candidate. I damned sure would not want someone trying to read my mind and deciding how I voted. I would rather my vote not count if I am not smart enough to ensure that I completed the ballot correctly.
As for the differences in the counts between the first machine count and the second machine count it is attributed to ballots with chads that had not fallen off during the first run, and were off for the second run. Hand recounting ballots with dangling chads is fine, as long as there is only one vote for president, but dimpled ballots are not conclusive enough for counting a vote.
As for the numbers, take them if you need them to sleep better, but anyone can come up with numbers for either side to make their point.
My end point is, Enough is enough. Either pick a damned pres-elect or don't, but keep the courts and lawyers out of it.
Well, at least bush will be the winner until the idiot lawyers get their hands on it tomarrow and steal the election from him. Quite frankly, I think that the hand counting is biased, because quite frankly humans are not impartial, we are going to see what we wish to see. If the lawyers and judicial system decide this election any further, I think I will move to Canada or some other country, because it will mean that all this country was founded on has been yet again trampled on by legal weasels.
Since when has religion not been used for evil purposes? Approximately 99 percent of all wars have been fought over religion. This country was established on the basis of religious freedom. Also without theories, we would still be throwing our crap around just like the apes.