We should work together fixing ALL Apple and Window security issues 100% of the time. No Downloads required!! Isn't cross-platform agreement wonderful? And, we did it!
I just spent about 8 hours tracking down why a PC was suddenly and inexplicably "soooooo sloooowww" to boot, load and give control back to the user. Turned out it was Sunbelt Security's Vipre. Specifically SBS updates not deleting themselves around the months of September AND October. They'd (the def. updates) filled the users computer with 100's of thousands of files to the tune of 95GB. Yes, that's 95GB. Although Sunbelt minimized the issue on their support forums they posted no solution to the fact that Windows couldn't enumerate the files to delete them. You can be sure that I'll never ever recommend that product to anyone. Corporate or personal, paid for or free. Not because it ain't so bad but because of their lack of integrity in admitting the extent of the problem and posting a real solution for all to see.
Re: Their enterprise AV (Symantec branded) is outstanding. It is not outstanding at all. In fact it is far from it. Not only does it take countless professional hours reading forums, calling Symantec, troubleshooting the "should", and those kinds of added costs to an already out-of-date application but at the end of it all, it just doesn't work anyway! Geez, just put Malwarebytes ($25.00 a lifetime) onto each client computer. That, coupled with the best security defense "user education", you've got the best deal out there. Symantec Corporate. What a ripoff for the last decade. You don't fill-in those user-satisfaction surveys too do you? Like they listen to what users want!!
Absolute spurious (intended to decieve) rubbish. How could Japan have protected themselves against the Atom Bomb? Duh!! The Bad Guys are always ahead. Geddit!
Again, what a stupid, thoughtless and false comment about security "should" be a part of the O/S. Clearly all O/S's include security as a consideration. Clearly some do a better job than others. To me it's like buying a house. Linux ain't the prettiest house but I can probably bullshit to my spouse that we don't need ADT! Microsoft ain't the securest house but I can always buy additional protection if I'm a stupid user.
Bullshit! I'm using Forefront on my Exchange 2010 server and paying nothing! Also as far as high-end corporate AV goes - what a joke. Let the clients take care of themselves. It's 10,000 per cent more efficient and cost-effective with the myriad of choices out there. After all, that's why they're called "personal computers". Geddit!
No. Total and absolute security should not be the purpose of the O/S itself. Where on earth did you get that idea? Some buy ADT as an addition to house deadbolts and Schlage locks. Some buy automobile anti-theft devices as an addition to electrolocks or whatever. I'm not even going to bother telling you what the purpose of an O/S is. What a dumb comment.
That's the correct way to go. Install MS Essentials as the first line of Windows client defense - for more than just friends and family (certainly don't be stepping on no corp. IT toes tho'.). And, I pay my mortgage every month by removing all of those B.S. "polyester-pay-for" AV apps.. They're almost all "disasters waiting to happen".
Any good Windows administrator knows that you can't rely on any PAID FOR product alone to solve your virus/trojan/keylogger/spyware/whatever problems. In fact, MS Essentials used with Malwarebytes or Superantispyware (if you're really into deleting cookies) is one of the best ways to go - price and efficiency wise. MS Essentials covers one major malware vector and the other apps. mentioned - the other.
Further, it's hard to tell who the bad guys are anymore. Norton, Symantec, AVG, McAfee, NOD, Panda, Vipre are all overpriced for the total lack of efficiency they constantly display. Funnily enough they want the same amount of money for not working as the typical Malware apps. do for pretending to work.
You can always spot the bad guys tho'. Here's how; they don't work 9 to 5, they do work nights & weekends, they don't wear polyester shirts or ties, they don't have board meetings and their software has a higher chance or working properly.
Precisely.
What's your name - I want to vote for you.
Oh, I'm sorry, I forgot! I'm a Canadian living and working in the US, paying tons of taxes for the criminal, unethical and stoopid war, living up to my family obligations (otherwise I'd be back over the border in a flash) and, therefore, NOT allowed to vote......
And just in case I get responded to with the moron mentality of "if you don't like it here then....." . Would you like to pay for my family?
Poor poor America. About to be a third world country in18 months. But, I get great deals at Walmart and Fred Meyer... *sigh*
As a taxpayer in the US - and a Canadian citizen - I'd really like to see my hard earned do-re-mi rebuilding infrastructure - schools, roads, etc. - and helping out the poor (you know, the one's that can't afford to step a small toe inside a hospital or doctor's office. But apparently, under the U.S. B.S. "National Security" scare tactic (it's as bad as England - almost), all the money's going abroad.
Why can't we just have 10 tick boxes on the tax return asking us (US) where we'd like our taxes to be funneled?
Now, there's a democratic idea.
well, as long as the mac user wasn't downloading no music codecs or had their heads buried in the sand - ostrich like - then the Windows system was probably a good first choice...but, 'twas only a good guess.
What a joke - Norton, McAfee, Symantec, AVG and the rest of their ilk - a disaster. All of them! Yup, a disaster...
I know not any more who the bad guys are when these mainstream home-user "almost total lack of internet security" programs are mentioned.
At least use something like Malwarebytes....and pay the $25.00
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We should work together fixing ALL Apple and Window security issues 100% of the time. No Downloads required!! Isn't cross-platform agreement wonderful? And, we did it!
I just spent about 8 hours tracking down why a PC was suddenly and inexplicably "soooooo sloooowww" to boot, load and give control back to the user. Turned out it was Sunbelt Security's Vipre. Specifically SBS updates not deleting themselves around the months of September AND October. They'd (the def. updates) filled the users computer with 100's of thousands of files to the tune of 95GB. Yes, that's 95GB. Although Sunbelt minimized the issue on their support forums they posted no solution to the fact that Windows couldn't enumerate the files to delete them. You can be sure that I'll never ever recommend that product to anyone. Corporate or personal, paid for or free. Not because it ain't so bad but because of their lack of integrity in admitting the extent of the problem and posting a real solution for all to see.
Probably because they have so much honesty, integrity and truthfulness that it's unquantifiable. Is that it?
You know as well as I do that the only real security is to pull the Cat3/5/5e/6 cable outta the wall. Doncha?
Re: Their enterprise AV (Symantec branded) is outstanding. It is not outstanding at all. In fact it is far from it. Not only does it take countless professional hours reading forums, calling Symantec, troubleshooting the "should", and those kinds of added costs to an already out-of-date application but at the end of it all, it just doesn't work anyway! Geez, just put Malwarebytes ($25.00 a lifetime) onto each client computer. That, coupled with the best security defense "user education", you've got the best deal out there. Symantec Corporate. What a ripoff for the last decade. You don't fill-in those user-satisfaction surveys too do you? Like they listen to what users want!!
Absolute spurious (intended to decieve) rubbish. How could Japan have protected themselves against the Atom Bomb? Duh!! The Bad Guys are always ahead. Geddit!
Again, what a stupid, thoughtless and false comment about security "should" be a part of the O/S. Clearly all O/S's include security as a consideration. Clearly some do a better job than others. To me it's like buying a house. Linux ain't the prettiest house but I can probably bullshit to my spouse that we don't need ADT! Microsoft ain't the securest house but I can always buy additional protection if I'm a stupid user.
I'm assuming there was an intended question mark after the above "...Who can you trust these days...". Wikileaks? Just an answer....
Is the other Apple?
Bullshit! I'm using Forefront on my Exchange 2010 server and paying nothing! Also as far as high-end corporate AV goes - what a joke. Let the clients take care of themselves. It's 10,000 per cent more efficient and cost-effective with the myriad of choices out there. After all, that's why they're called "personal computers". Geddit!
No. Total and absolute security should not be the purpose of the O/S itself. Where on earth did you get that idea? Some buy ADT as an addition to house deadbolts and Schlage locks. Some buy automobile anti-theft devices as an addition to electrolocks or whatever. I'm not even going to bother telling you what the purpose of an O/S is. What a dumb comment.
That's pretty much what that total buffoon Donald Rumsfeld said as regards other "security" matters!
That recommendation above is because Enderandrew, above, knows what he's talking about.
That's the correct way to go. Install MS Essentials as the first line of Windows client defense - for more than just friends and family (certainly don't be stepping on no corp. IT toes tho'.). And, I pay my mortgage every month by removing all of those B.S. "polyester-pay-for" AV apps.. They're almost all "disasters waiting to happen".
Any good Windows administrator knows that you can't rely on any PAID FOR product alone to solve your virus/trojan/keylogger/spyware/whatever problems. In fact, MS Essentials used with Malwarebytes or Superantispyware (if you're really into deleting cookies) is one of the best ways to go - price and efficiency wise. MS Essentials covers one major malware vector and the other apps. mentioned - the other. Further, it's hard to tell who the bad guys are anymore. Norton, Symantec, AVG, McAfee, NOD, Panda, Vipre are all overpriced for the total lack of efficiency they constantly display. Funnily enough they want the same amount of money for not working as the typical Malware apps. do for pretending to work. You can always spot the bad guys tho'. Here's how; they don't work 9 to 5, they do work nights & weekends, they don't wear polyester shirts or ties, they don't have board meetings and their software has a higher chance or working properly.
Precisely. What's your name - I want to vote for you. Oh, I'm sorry, I forgot! I'm a Canadian living and working in the US, paying tons of taxes for the criminal, unethical and stoopid war, living up to my family obligations (otherwise I'd be back over the border in a flash) and, therefore, NOT allowed to vote...... And just in case I get responded to with the moron mentality of "if you don't like it here then....." . Would you like to pay for my family? Poor poor America. About to be a third world country in18 months. But, I get great deals at Walmart and Fred Meyer... *sigh*
As a taxpayer in the US - and a Canadian citizen - I'd really like to see my hard earned do-re-mi rebuilding infrastructure - schools, roads, etc. - and helping out the poor (you know, the one's that can't afford to step a small toe inside a hospital or doctor's office. But apparently, under the U.S. B.S. "National Security" scare tactic (it's as bad as England - almost), all the money's going abroad. Why can't we just have 10 tick boxes on the tax return asking us (US) where we'd like our taxes to be funneled? Now, there's a democratic idea.
well, as long as the mac user wasn't downloading no music codecs or had their heads buried in the sand - ostrich like - then the Windows system was probably a good first choice...but, 'twas only a good guess.
What a joke - Norton, McAfee, Symantec, AVG and the rest of their ilk - a disaster. All of them! Yup, a disaster... I know not any more who the bad guys are when these mainstream home-user "almost total lack of internet security" programs are mentioned. At least use something like Malwarebytes....and pay the $25.00
fwiw using outlook 2010 with the spamgrabber add-in and then auto-reporting to spamcop works just great.