Unfortunately, one of OSI's core requirements is forking.
There are ways to minimize forking. For example, a license could require modifications be distinct from the original (ei. patching). The QPL license does this. But a far easier way is to simply trademark the name (already done), and only permit it to be used on the original (or approved) code bases.
Not at all. The libertarian right (which is still the intellectual heart of conservativism) knew full well that Roberts wouldn't be a rubber stamp for Bush. With Roberts, Bush may not have gotten what he bargained for, but the right certainly did.
The real issue is that widespread spying VIOLATES the freedom to assemble, freedom of speech, freedom of the press, and other rights explicitly enumerated in the constitution.
At the risk of being called a Bush supporter and Satanist for daring to ask the question, I will ask anyway: how exactly does this specific database restrict any of the above rights?
OTOH, the right of the government to collect taxes is explicitly PERMITTED in the constitution.
The right to collect financial information is NOT given in the Constitution. Even if one postulates the right to collect wage information, one cannot postulate the right to collect all the other information the IRS collects. And why is the information stored? Why is it not erased upon receipt of the taxes in question?
My problem is not that I agree with the phone database (I do not). My problem is that the left (yes, the left) is only concerned about privacy when it happens to be an issue that can embarrass Bush and the Republicans.
The problem, my dear friend, is not that I don't trust George W Bush (and I don't), but that I do not trust my Government, no matter who heads it, and for the same reason why I do not want to see a national ID card. Frankly, it's no legitimate business of our government where I go, who I see, and what I think. They answer to ME, not the other way around.
I absolutely agree with that. Which is why I find it so puzzling that no one is bitching about the IRS invading your privacy. What business do they have who I donate charity to? What gives them the power to audit anyone for any reason on whim?
Don't get me wrong! I am decidely NOT in favor of this phone database. But I want to know why there isn't similar concern over the IRS! Why are privacy advocates wearing such large blinders?
Who the hell marked this down as "flamebait"? Obviously you've never tried to "run anywhere" that wasn't a Sun approved platform. And even with them you're still going to encounter major hickups.
I can build a wifi/bluetooth interference generator with less than a ten dollar's worth of parts. It would be very short range, to be sure, but if it will work in a movie theater, it will work in an airplane. I don't think terrorists are going to be too concerned about following FCC rules...
You don't time things when code is available, you time things when people are available to code. For both micro- and macro- kernels, the race started with the 80386 and the affordability of 32-bit CPUs for the average developer. The reason you didn't have Free Software kernels 15 years after the quasi-availability of UNIX source was that hardly anyone could afford the hardware. The ability to collaborate over a network also made a huge difference.
And Minix 3 doesn't count for real world use. It may be a good starting point for one, and maybe Minix 3.5 might do it. But as of today it would be silly to put Minix on anything but a hobbyist system.
if MINIX-3 does turn out to be a good alternative, we all win, right?
Except for Andy. You see, he's bet his reputation on the hope that monolithic kernels will lose. The only reason this debate is still raging is because he can't stop trash talking monolithic kernels. It doesn't matter if there are a millions successful microkernels out there, it will still piss Andy off if even one monolithic kernel exists.
Now the main problem is that key elements of what people want to do are blocked by software patents and other legal stuff.
That's one of the few remaining issues left for desktop Unix. It's silly when people blame Linux for the problems outside its domain. Yes there are problems with the proprietary NVidia driver, but bitch to NVidia because there's nothing Linux or X.org can do about it. Yes there are problems playing videos, but blame the DMCA and MPAA for that.
I'm aware of the frustration out there, and sympathize with it. But the problems won't be solved until we stop blaming the wrong people.
Let's settle this holy war once and for all! All stable Free Software monolithic kernels suitable for real world deployment to the right. All stable Free Software microkernels suitable for real world deployment to the left.
Quick question time. I really do want a rational answer to this one, and not some snarky shit just because I don't happen to share your worldview:
Why is so much angst being spent over this database that the NSA is collecting, but no one says anything at all about the database that the IRS is collecting? Why are phone records a privacy issue but financial records are not? When I filed my taxes last month I had to reveal the following information: my occupation, my employer, my salary, my age, the social security numbers of my children, whether my wife or I are blind, what charities I give to, what funds I invest in, how big my mortgate is, what my medical expenses were, etc. If someone rummaged through my garbage and found my phone bill, it would be no big deal. If someone found my tax returns, however, I could be the victim of some serious identity theft.
That's a very good point, and one that people keep forgetting. If microkernels are so great, where are they? Let's take a look at notable microkernels:
* QNX Neutrino. This is the most successful microkernel ever. It deserves all the praise it gets. Yet it is still a niche product.
* Hurd. After twenty years we're still waiting for a halfway stable release. Hurd development is almost an argument *for* monolithic kernels!
*Minix. This is still an educational kernel. A teaching tool. It remains unsuitable for "real world" use.
* Mach. People claim OSX is a microkernel since it is built on top of Mach. But that ignores the real world fact that OSX is monolithic. People have been misled by the name.
* NT. This is NOT a microkernel! You don't believe anything else Microsoft says, so why do you believe this fairy tale?
In short, QNX is the only successful real world Microkernel. Linus happens to be right on this one: microkernels add too much complexity to the software. From ten thousand feet the high level architecture looks simple and elegant, but the low level implementation is a fraught with difficulties and hidden pitfalls.
Hopefully you can now understand why your IRS and phone company examples are specious.
Since the NSA is getting the information directly from the phone companies (who, incidentally, are providing it voluntarily), I don't see how my phone company example is specious.
Of course the NSA has the ability to do reverse lookups! Every salesmen in the world has a reverse phone book, so the capability is hardly theoretical.
If you want to argue against this database, please do so uing rational arguments, not paranoid ramblings. Yes, we know you hate Bush, but that's irrelevant. Your argument that people are being sent to Guantanamo because they are getting repeated wrong numbers is bullshit. That's not rationality, it's delusion.
I am neither conservative nor liberal, Republican or Democrat. I didn't vote for Bush in either election. But I can't help siding with one side when other side has become "unhinged".
Your arguments are not evidence, they are just logical extensions of ungrounded premises.
When you go into a computer store, the salesman is going to try to sell you the fastest (most expensive) computer he has. Most people don't know any better, and so they do. Ask your Aunt Tillie if she should rather have a slow 3.2GHz processor or a faster state of the art 3.8GHz processor, and she will want the latter. Apple switched to Intel on its laptops because the market perception was that they were slow... but the Mac is not a gaming platform, especially with their laptops. Other than Alienware and other niche systems, computers do NOT come with high end video cards unless you specifically ask for them.
But Yahoo! is a US company. Not only that, it is a publicly traded company. News of what Yahoo! is doing in China is very much something to be concerned about.
How the fuck do you know? Because Bush hasn't told you you're being recorded?
Ah yes. The old "Bush must be guilty because I don't like him" evidence. Personally I don't the government any further than I can throw it. That's ANYONE in government, not merely those I didn't vote for. But that does not change the fact that this database is not fundamentally different from any of dozens others the government maintains. I'm slightly less critical of this one, however, because it at least has a ostensibly sound purpose.
How the fuck do you know Clinton didn't use information in personal IRS tax records against his political enemies? Why the fuck does the IRS need all that personal information in the first place? Why the hell is my financial privacy less of a concern than who I made a phone call to?
And while we're at it, how the fuck do you know Clinton didn't have similar NSA programs? How do you know this isn't a continuation of one of those?
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Unfortunately, one of OSI's core requirements is forking.
There are ways to minimize forking. For example, a license could require modifications be distinct from the original (ei. patching). The QPL license does this. But a far easier way is to simply trademark the name (already done), and only permit it to be used on the original (or approved) code bases.
Not at all. The libertarian right (which is still the intellectual heart of conservativism) knew full well that Roberts wouldn't be a rubber stamp for Bush. With Roberts, Bush may not have gotten what he bargained for, but the right certainly did.
The real issue is that widespread spying VIOLATES the freedom to assemble, freedom of speech, freedom of the press, and other rights explicitly enumerated in the constitution.
At the risk of being called a Bush supporter and Satanist for daring to ask the question, I will ask anyway: how exactly does this specific database restrict any of the above rights?
OTOH, the right of the government to collect taxes is explicitly PERMITTED in the constitution.
The right to collect financial information is NOT given in the Constitution. Even if one postulates the right to collect wage information, one cannot postulate the right to collect all the other information the IRS collects. And why is the information stored? Why is it not erased upon receipt of the taxes in question?
My problem is not that I agree with the phone database (I do not). My problem is that the left (yes, the left) is only concerned about privacy when it happens to be an issue that can embarrass Bush and the Republicans.
The problem, my dear friend, is not that I don't trust George W Bush (and I don't), but that I do not trust my Government, no matter who heads it, and for the same reason why I do not want to see a national ID card. Frankly, it's no legitimate business of our government where I go, who I see, and what I think. They answer to ME, not the other way around.
I absolutely agree with that. Which is why I find it so puzzling that no one is bitching about the IRS invading your privacy. What business do they have who I donate charity to? What gives them the power to audit anyone for any reason on whim?
Don't get me wrong! I am decidely NOT in favor of this phone database. But I want to know why there isn't similar concern over the IRS! Why are privacy advocates wearing such large blinders?
Who the hell marked this down as "flamebait"? Obviously you've never tried to "run anywhere" that wasn't a Sun approved platform. And even with them you're still going to encounter major hickups.
I can build a wifi/bluetooth interference generator with less than a ten dollar's worth of parts. It would be very short range, to be sure, but if it will work in a movie theater, it will work in an airplane. I don't think terrorists are going to be too concerned about following FCC rules...
You don't time things when code is available, you time things when people are available to code. For both micro- and macro- kernels, the race started with the 80386 and the affordability of 32-bit CPUs for the average developer. The reason you didn't have Free Software kernels 15 years after the quasi-availability of UNIX source was that hardly anyone could afford the hardware. The ability to collaborate over a network also made a huge difference.
And Minix 3 doesn't count for real world use. It may be a good starting point for one, and maybe Minix 3.5 might do it. But as of today it would be silly to put Minix on anything but a hobbyist system.
v4l is a piece of crap. I should have known someone would bring that up, because I suspect it's sole purpose in life is to cause kernel panics.
if MINIX-3 does turn out to be a good alternative, we all win, right?
Except for Andy. You see, he's bet his reputation on the hope that monolithic kernels will lose. The only reason this debate is still raging is because he can't stop trash talking monolithic kernels. It doesn't matter if there are a millions successful microkernels out there, it will still piss Andy off if even one monolithic kernel exists.
It's still taking baby-steps at the moment, but it's coming along quite nicely.
Like I told the Hurd folks, "give me a call when you finally make it to the party."
I would hardly call QNX a "niche" product.
It's a realtime embedded OS. It is NOT a general purpose operating system. Hence, it is a niche product.
Now the main problem is that key elements of what people want to do are blocked by software patents and other legal stuff.
That's one of the few remaining issues left for desktop Unix. It's silly when people blame Linux for the problems outside its domain. Yes there are problems with the proprietary NVidia driver, but bitch to NVidia because there's nothing Linux or X.org can do about it. Yes there are problems playing videos, but blame the DMCA and MPAA for that.
I'm aware of the frustration out there, and sympathize with it. But the problems won't be solved until we stop blaming the wrong people.
Let's settle this holy war once and for all! All stable Free Software monolithic kernels suitable for real world deployment to the right. All stable Free Software microkernels suitable for real world deployment to the left.
As soon as the general public realizes computers don't HAVE to crash, they'll win there too.
I've never once had a crash with the FreeBSD or Linux monolithic kernels. And unless you're a kernel developer, you haven't either.
It's not a microkernel. It's a monolithic FreeBSD kernel on top of Mach.
Can users ditch Windows for Linux? Screw that! I ditched Windows for FreeBSD!
Motorola's goal is "write-once, run everywhere" implementation capabilities.
It would be nice if Java itself could have that capability...
Quick question time. I really do want a rational answer to this one, and not some snarky shit just because I don't happen to share your worldview:
Why is so much angst being spent over this database that the NSA is collecting, but no one says anything at all about the database that the IRS is collecting? Why are phone records a privacy issue but financial records are not? When I filed my taxes last month I had to reveal the following information: my occupation, my employer, my salary, my age, the social security numbers of my children, whether my wife or I are blind, what charities I give to, what funds I invest in, how big my mortgate is, what my medical expenses were, etc. If someone rummaged through my garbage and found my phone bill, it would be no big deal. If someone found my tax returns, however, I could be the victim of some serious identity theft.
What's the difference?
Boy, I never saw this one coming. The government using their phone number records to investigate things that aren't related to terrorists.
1) You have a problem with leaks related to terrorist information.
2) You have a database of phone records that can be used to trace the leaks.
3) Let's use the database to trace the leaks!
That's a very good point, and one that people keep forgetting. If microkernels are so great, where are they? Let's take a look at notable microkernels:
* QNX Neutrino. This is the most successful microkernel ever. It deserves all the praise it gets. Yet it is still a niche product.
* Hurd. After twenty years we're still waiting for a halfway stable release. Hurd development is almost an argument *for* monolithic kernels!
*Minix. This is still an educational kernel. A teaching tool. It remains unsuitable for "real world" use.
* Mach. People claim OSX is a microkernel since it is built on top of Mach. But that ignores the real world fact that OSX is monolithic. People have been misled by the name.
* NT. This is NOT a microkernel! You don't believe anything else Microsoft says, so why do you believe this fairy tale?
In short, QNX is the only successful real world Microkernel. Linus happens to be right on this one: microkernels add too much complexity to the software. From ten thousand feet the high level architecture looks simple and elegant, but the low level implementation is a fraught with difficulties and hidden pitfalls.
Hopefully you can now understand why your IRS and phone company examples are specious.
Since the NSA is getting the information directly from the phone companies (who, incidentally, are providing it voluntarily), I don't see how my phone company example is specious.
Of course the NSA has the ability to do reverse lookups! Every salesmen in the world has a reverse phone book, so the capability is hardly theoretical.
If you want to argue against this database, please do so uing rational arguments, not paranoid ramblings. Yes, we know you hate Bush, but that's irrelevant. Your argument that people are being sent to Guantanamo because they are getting repeated wrong numbers is bullshit. That's not rationality, it's delusion.
I am neither conservative nor liberal, Republican or Democrat. I didn't vote for Bush in either election. But I can't help siding with one side when other side has become "unhinged".
Your arguments are not evidence, they are just logical extensions of ungrounded premises.
When you go into a computer store, the salesman is going to try to sell you the fastest (most expensive) computer he has. Most people don't know any better, and so they do. Ask your Aunt Tillie if she should rather have a slow 3.2GHz processor or a faster state of the art 3.8GHz processor, and she will want the latter. Apple switched to Intel on its laptops because the market perception was that they were slow... but the Mac is not a gaming platform, especially with their laptops. Other than Alienware and other niche systems, computers do NOT come with high end video cards unless you specifically ask for them.
But Yahoo! is a US company. Not only that, it is a publicly traded company. News of what Yahoo! is doing in China is very much something to be concerned about.
The comment was too stupid to be anything other than funny.
p.s. Disbarments are wholly unrelated to the article.
p.p.s. Bar associations do not backdate disbarments.
How the fuck do you know? Because Bush hasn't told you you're being recorded?
Ah yes. The old "Bush must be guilty because I don't like him" evidence. Personally I don't the government any further than I can throw it. That's ANYONE in government, not merely those I didn't vote for. But that does not change the fact that this database is not fundamentally different from any of dozens others the government maintains. I'm slightly less critical of this one, however, because it at least has a ostensibly sound purpose.
How the fuck do you know Clinton didn't use information in personal IRS tax records against his political enemies? Why the fuck does the IRS need all that personal information in the first place? Why the hell is my financial privacy less of a concern than who I made a phone call to?
And while we're at it, how the fuck do you know Clinton didn't have similar NSA programs? How do you know this isn't a continuation of one of those?