If you've cracked the server already finding a stored key is so-what. Probably easy enough to just look in the server directory tree - most people probably put them somewhere in that vicinity. Besides, what you really want is just to pull the order databases down and you have the CC #'s and shipping addresses. Duh.
Hon, if you need a self-reflective monitor to do your makeup maybe you're the one who needs some self-esteem and self-confidence. I don't have to look in the mirror all the time to know I'm good-looking.:-)
I think you've been reading Katz too much my man! Maybe the bastards just know that's what gets under your skin. Men are ALWAYS much more inclined towards confrontation and fighting. Guy fights vs girl fights were always 10-1 when I was in high school.
You either go kick some ass or learn to let it roll off your back. Kind of like choosing Marines or Buddhism. It's Survival 101. Good luck!
You have to be kidding! Most of the posters here (including the editors) can't get lose/loose or to/too right and you want actual semantically correct writing? I salute your optimism sir!
I've thrown out resumes based on piss-poor writing. Obvious errors, mangled sentences and crappy punctuation show me they don't take the time to care about their output, and I don't want to be embarrassed or have to edit everything they write before it goes to someone who WILL notice. More importantly, it shows up in the code too.
There are differences in the way our brains work (visual perception for instance - ever argue with your girlfriend about whether something's red or orange? We actually see a little differently.) but I think you'll find it's more cultural. For instance where I work the number of women programmers who are Indian or Asian far exceed the American women. One thing I notice is that most women prefer not to be very confrontational (ok, insert obligatory girlfriend joke here) as opposed to butt-headed nearly-juvenile guys who'll try to argue each other into submission in their engineering classes. (As I recall!) Also it seems to me there are a lot more women in the biological sciences than computers, and there's no less science going on. In any case few tech jobs (including programming jobs) actually require a CS degree, so that shouldn't stop them.
> And in our system, the wealthy usually get that way through government backing
Really? The govt made Woz wealthy? Jeff Bezos? Steven Spielberg? Of course corps. are artificial - unless you're talking about trees and fields and people hanging out on a street corner, what isn't? The tax laws? Isn't taking someone's legally-obtained property and handing it out to anyone other than their family rather artificial? When an individual does that we call it theft.
It wasn't the govt's money in the first place, so they have NO RIGHT to "take it back"! What about the people who have to move out of their family homes and sell the farm to developers to pay the inheiritance tax because the old man died? I'd say that *is* a family tragedy.
There's really a wide disparity in teacher's salaries depending on the area they're in. Around here teachers get 50-60K/yr after a few years in the job. Given a 9 month year, that equates easily to your 70-80k figure.
In the areas where they get a lot less many of the other people are making a lot less too.
Why is this moderated as a troll? And why do you other guys think it's OK for the govt to take your property? You've paid income tax, sales tax and property tax all your life. Then you have to give whatever you have left to a foundation or it gets taken from your family? How is that not socialist?
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I haven't seen it, and I read/. every day. And actually Rob *didn't* sound too happy about the Suck.com parody to me. Very surprising to me 'cuz they seem to have a great sense of humor. (Geez, they'd have to with all the flamage here.)
Can anyone suggest a more technical place to hang to learn more about *nixes? Between the license arguments and other IP it seems this has become a place for budding lawyers and activists, not techies.
Not only that, but people forget that most business programming is done to automate a paper form, all of which ALWAYS used 2 digits for the date. Also most of the library routines would return 2 digits also. Go ahead and try to give your boss a 4 digit year field in 1986, or tell him you need to spend an extra couple of hours making sure the app. was Y2K compliant in '82 and see what they say.
Ah, grasshopper but you see there will be little need for accident avoidance if we're all going in the same direction in lock-step. Forward-looking radar will keep your car from rear-ending anyone (or anyone else from rear-ending you). After all, there's no reason to do 40 mph into a standing object, whether car or brick wall. You'll be locked into a lane and guided to the right exit - no head-ons because the other guy won't be ABLE to turn the wheel into you. I used to think this would take another 20 years, but these days I'm thinking 10.
Between the do-gooders, insurance people and lawyers I think this will happen, sorry to say.
Ah, you never get over your first, do you? It was the first machine I actually bought, having worked on mainframes, minis, PCs and embedded processor development systems for 10 years before. I finally saw a machine that I thought was worth spending my money on. Funny, I was just thinking about cranking up the old A1000 to see if I could get the 3 Stooges game running. And Sinbad, and... you get the idea. I'll be glad to buy a new one if they get their act together.
I actually worked as a toll collector on the NJ Turnpike one summer in-between semesters and was surprised they didn't do some kind of a time-check then.
Interesting point about the politicians getting tickets! How about cops? I know a cop who loves to brag about how he does 95 mph with his girlfriend and kids in the car and just flashes his badge when the trooper pulls him over. Pisses me off to no end. He's no better a driver than I am, and I get hounded mercillessly by the local yokels.
This is really just the beginning of the govt. getting a complete data stream from our cars. The satellite bit is redundant here; black boxes (like in airplanes) will save data so they can do a post-mortem and see what was going on when an accident occurred. I think I heard GM is starting to do this already. It's not a wild leap to imagine speed limit signs that broadcast the allowed speed and your car will have a governor that prevents you from going faster. (Why get a satellite involved? Local control is very easy.) At some point you won't be allowed on the highway unless you have a compliant car, so you guys with the '79 Ferrari 308 (carb. model) will have to stick to the side roads.
While I think this totally sucks from an Orwellian point-of-view (and continue to save pennies for my own old Ferrari) I have to admit to some mixed feelings. Where I live, the posted speed in most places is 55MPH, some 65. Where it's 55, people do 70-90. I don't mind people flying down the fast lane, but these days you have to do 70 in the SLOW lane to keep from being run down. I have a couple of speeding tickets, both when I was doing the normal rush hour speed but late at night. Logic says this is OK; if there's nobody on the road then going a little faster (as long as it's in the bounds of your ability and equipment) should be fine. But that's when the cops have nothing else to do. So now I have to go slow even during rush hour so I don't risk losing my license.
This morning I was doing 70 in the fast lane of a 55MPH, heavily trafficked road when a Ford Explorer or something came barreling up at about 85. I'm not dumb enough to stay there; I got out of her way, but that's not always an option. She was obviously far enough removed from reality to think she was doing OK, but I would've loved to see a governor cut her down at that point. Not that there would be a cop around or anything.:)
Race drivers drive for a living on a closed-course which has been swept for debris; they wear 5 point safety harnesses, wear fire-resistant materials, helmets, and drive cars that often cost in excess of a million dollars. Furthermore, their professional reputation and livelihood are based on their actions on the track. That doesn't much describe the idiots I see driving around. Eventually we'll be on auto-pilot for everything, and while I'll have to move to another country, or buy enough land to stretch out my hot rods I don't think there's much we can do about it.
I agree with you about the SlashDot software, but I don't think it's the whole story. My guess is if I had the SlashDot software (current version, not some old nasty thing) and put up a site it would not get the same response. Why? 'Cuz I'm an old codger and not likely to create a similar community. However, any entity that already HAS a community could make good use of it. I've been curious why the newest source is never posted, but the title reads "SlashDot - News for Nerds" not "SlashDot - News for the FSF". I don't recall ever reading Malda's feelings about open source for everything, but I think the source for SlashDot is the one saleable resource Andover has. They could easily sell it to ZDNET for instance; their "TalkBack" story comment feature is awful. Now, what happens if they do that? The zealots will get ugly, that's for sure. So they're in a weird place. I think this is one of the better cases to watch for the collision of Open Source and marketplace. If you're CmdTaco and company, does it make you happier to toe the line with the open source religion or to see your baby turned into a widely-used standard for discussion groups, each paying a nice licensing fee? My own position is that open source is great for the OS because it allows IBM and everybody to drop their own proprietary versions of Unix without losing face, but for apps like SlashDot the creators deserve fair market price, and they won't get it if they give it away.
You want prescient? My prediction is that in 10 yrs most of the people here now will be lawyers or politicians instead of programmers. I see precious little technical discussion here but tons of legalistic maneuverings about licenses. How's that?
You want to get into Karl Marx, I think we need a different thread!:-)
I'm sorry, there are plenty of philosopher kings to follow, RMS just isn't the one for me. I've said before the GPL is pure genius for the right applications, like the human genome you mentioned. And it's great that you don't have to pay $1500 for a Unix system anymore, although I think Linus deserves at least as much credit for that. But there are too many people who did too much that affected lives in this century to put him on top. Hell, try Martin Luther King for instance. Or Elvis. Or any good short-order cook.
This comment illustrates the supreme self-importance of this "movement". Ok, so Stallman's still pissed that Xerox wouldn't give him the source to a printer driver and obsessed over it the rest of his life. You compare that with putting Europe back together after WWII? Give me a break. That affected REAL lives in serious ways. The effect of Stallman is Unix got cheap for a few guys who want to play with the source. Big fucking deal.
If anyone should get the prize for a "new way to look at information" it'd be Berners-Lee or even Andreesen fer chrissakes. Or yes, Grace Hopper for COBOL! I'm sorry, but technically speaking you're not looking at ANYTHING in a new way, you're just duplicating what was already there - built by PAID programmers working for a BIG CORPORATION. No question putting that in Everyman's hands is a great contribution, but not enough for Man of The Century.
As I recall there was plenty of public domain software around when RMS started the FSF, and you didn't have to buy into his political/social movement to use it, and you could do anything you damn well pleased with it. Now all people do is argue about license terms.
...maybe I can actually stop by there and take a look! I'm afraid I'm not optimistic, especially after I heard the part about an AI machine with consciousness.
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hahahahaha - that's gotta be the most creative spelling I've ever seen for "supposedly". Thanks for the laugh!
If you've cracked the server already finding a stored key is so-what. Probably easy enough to just look in the server directory tree - most people probably put them somewhere in that vicinity. Besides, what you really want is just to pull the order databases down and you have the CC #'s and shipping addresses. Duh.
Hon, if you need a self-reflective monitor to do your makeup maybe you're the one who needs some self-esteem and self-confidence. I don't have to look in the mirror all the time to know I'm good-looking. :-)
I think you've been reading Katz too much my man! Maybe the bastards just know that's what gets under your skin. Men are ALWAYS much more inclined towards confrontation and fighting. Guy fights vs girl fights were always 10-1 when I was in high school.
:-)
You either go kick some ass or learn to let it roll off your back. Kind of like choosing Marines or Buddhism. It's Survival 101. Good luck!
And yes, it does suck.
You have to be kidding! Most of the posters here (including the editors) can't get lose/loose or to/too right and you want actual semantically correct writing? I salute your optimism sir!
I've thrown out resumes based on piss-poor writing. Obvious errors, mangled sentences and crappy punctuation show me they don't take the time to care about their output, and I don't want to be embarrassed or have to edit everything they write before it goes to someone who WILL notice. More importantly, it shows up in the code too.
Not that they'll ever believe it...
There are differences in the way our brains work (visual perception for instance - ever argue with your girlfriend about whether something's red or orange? We actually see a little differently.) but I think you'll find it's more cultural. For instance where I work the number of women programmers who are Indian or Asian far exceed the American women. One thing I notice is that most women prefer not to be very confrontational (ok, insert obligatory girlfriend joke here) as opposed to butt-headed nearly-juvenile guys who'll try to argue each other into submission in their engineering classes. (As I recall!) Also it seems to me there are a lot more women in the biological sciences than computers, and there's no less science going on. In any case few tech jobs (including programming jobs) actually require a CS degree, so that shouldn't stop them.
> And in our system, the wealthy usually get that way through government backing
Really? The govt made Woz wealthy? Jeff Bezos? Steven Spielberg? Of course corps. are artificial - unless you're talking about trees and fields and people hanging out on a street corner, what isn't? The tax laws? Isn't taking someone's legally-obtained property and handing it out to anyone other than their family rather artificial? When an individual does that we call it theft.
It wasn't the govt's money in the first place, so they have NO RIGHT to "take it back"! What about the people who have to move out of their family homes and sell the farm to developers to pay the inheiritance tax because the old man died? I'd say that *is* a family tragedy.
There's really a wide disparity in teacher's salaries depending on the area they're in. Around here teachers get 50-60K/yr after a few years in the job. Given a 9 month year, that equates easily to your 70-80k figure.
In the areas where they get a lot less many of the other people are making a lot less too.
Why is this moderated as a troll? And why do you other guys think it's OK for the govt to take your property? You've paid income tax, sales tax and property tax all your life. Then you have to give whatever you have left to a foundation or it gets taken from your family? How is that not socialist?
I haven't seen it, and I read /. every day. And actually Rob *didn't* sound too happy about the Suck.com parody to me. Very surprising to me 'cuz they seem to have a great sense of humor. (Geez, they'd have to with all the flamage here.)
Can anyone suggest a more technical place to hang to learn more about *nixes? Between the license arguments and other IP it seems this has become a place for budding lawyers and activists, not techies.
Not only that, but people forget that most business programming is done to automate a paper form, all of which ALWAYS used 2 digits for the date. Also most of the library routines would return 2 digits also. Go ahead and try to give your boss a 4 digit year field in 1986, or tell him you need to spend an extra couple of hours making sure the app. was Y2K compliant in '82 and see what they say.
In a word: No.
Ah, grasshopper but you see there will be little need for accident avoidance if we're all going in the same direction in lock-step. Forward-looking radar will keep your car from rear-ending anyone (or anyone else from rear-ending you). After all, there's no reason to do 40 mph into a standing object, whether car or brick wall. You'll be locked into a lane and guided to the right exit - no head-ons because the other guy won't be ABLE to turn the wheel into you. I used to think this would take another 20 years, but these days I'm thinking 10.
Between the do-gooders, insurance people and lawyers I think this will happen, sorry to say.
Ah, you never get over your first, do you? It was the first machine I actually bought, having worked on mainframes, minis, PCs and embedded processor development systems for 10 years before. I finally saw a machine that I thought was worth spending my money on. Funny, I was just thinking about cranking up the old A1000 to see if I could get the 3 Stooges game running. And Sinbad, and ... you get the idea. I'll be glad to buy a new one if they get their act together.
... could that be Las Vegas?
I actually worked as a toll collector on the NJ Turnpike one summer in-between semesters and was surprised they didn't do some kind of a time-check then.
Interesting point about the politicians getting tickets! How about cops? I know a cop who loves to brag about how he does 95 mph with his girlfriend and kids in the car and just flashes his badge when the trooper pulls him over. Pisses me off to no end. He's no better a driver than I am, and I get hounded mercillessly by the local yokels.
> I can't figure out if it is because lawmakers are ignorant, or if they just don't give a damn.
Both. Often they're just doing it because it'll sound good to the rednecks that voted them in.
What, me? Cynical?
This is really just the beginning of the govt. getting a complete data stream from our cars. The satellite bit is redundant here; black boxes (like in airplanes) will save data so they can do a post-mortem and see what was going on when an accident occurred. I think I heard GM is starting to do this already. It's not a wild leap to imagine speed limit signs that broadcast the allowed speed and your car will have a governor that prevents you from going faster. (Why get a satellite involved? Local control is very easy.) At some point you won't be allowed on the highway unless you have a compliant car, so you guys with the '79 Ferrari 308 (carb. model) will have to stick to the side roads.
:)
While I think this totally sucks from an Orwellian point-of-view (and continue to save pennies for my own old Ferrari) I have to admit to some mixed feelings. Where I live, the posted speed in most places is 55MPH, some 65. Where it's 55, people do 70-90. I don't mind people flying down the fast lane, but these days you have to do 70 in the SLOW lane to keep from being run down. I have a couple of speeding tickets, both when I was doing the normal rush hour speed but late at night. Logic says this is OK; if there's nobody on the road then going a little faster (as long as it's in the bounds of your ability and equipment) should be fine. But that's when the cops have nothing else to do. So now I have to go slow even during rush hour so I don't risk losing my license.
This morning I was doing 70 in the fast lane of a 55MPH, heavily trafficked road when a Ford Explorer or something came barreling up at about 85. I'm not dumb enough to stay there; I got out of her way, but that's not always an option. She was obviously far enough removed from reality to think she was doing OK, but I would've loved to see a governor cut her down at that point. Not that there would be a cop around or anything.
Race drivers drive for a living on a closed-course which has been swept for debris; they wear 5 point safety harnesses, wear fire-resistant materials, helmets, and drive cars that often cost in excess of a million dollars. Furthermore, their professional reputation and livelihood are based on their actions on the track. That doesn't much describe the idiots I see driving around. Eventually we'll be on auto-pilot for everything, and while I'll have to move to another country, or buy enough land to stretch out my hot rods I don't think there's much we can do about it.
I agree with you about the SlashDot software, but I don't think it's the whole story. My guess is if I had the SlashDot software (current version, not some old nasty thing) and put up a site it would not get the same response. Why? 'Cuz I'm an old codger and not likely to create a similar community. However, any entity that already HAS a community could make good use of it. I've been curious why the newest source is never posted, but the title reads "SlashDot - News for Nerds" not "SlashDot - News for the FSF". I don't recall ever reading Malda's feelings about open source for everything, but I think the source for SlashDot is the one saleable resource Andover has. They could easily sell it to ZDNET for instance; their "TalkBack" story comment feature is awful. Now, what happens if they do that? The zealots will get ugly, that's for sure. So they're in a weird place. I think this is one of the better cases to watch for the collision of Open Source and marketplace. If you're CmdTaco and company, does it make you happier to toe the line with the open source religion or to see your baby turned into a widely-used standard for discussion groups, each paying a nice licensing fee? My own position is that open source is great for the OS because it allows IBM and everybody to drop their own proprietary versions of Unix without losing face, but for apps like SlashDot the creators deserve fair market price, and they won't get it if they give it away.
I think it should be up to them. I assume you've already adopted a few to show the depth of your belief?
You want prescient? My prediction is that in 10 yrs most of the people here now will be lawyers or politicians instead of programmers. I see precious little technical discussion here but tons of legalistic maneuverings about licenses. How's that?
:-)
You want to get into Karl Marx, I think we need a different thread!
I'm sorry, there are plenty of philosopher kings to follow, RMS just isn't the one for me. I've said before the GPL is pure genius for the right applications, like the human genome you mentioned. And it's great that you don't have to pay $1500 for a Unix system anymore, although I think Linus deserves at least as much credit for that. But there are too many people who did too much that affected lives in this century to put him on top. Hell, try Martin Luther King for instance. Or Elvis. Or any good short-order cook.
This comment illustrates the supreme self-importance of this "movement". Ok, so Stallman's still pissed that Xerox wouldn't give him the source to a printer driver and obsessed over it the rest of his life. You compare that with putting Europe back together after WWII? Give me a break. That affected REAL lives in serious ways. The effect of Stallman is Unix got cheap for a few guys who want to play with the source. Big fucking deal.
If anyone should get the prize for a "new way to look at information" it'd be Berners-Lee or even Andreesen fer chrissakes. Or yes, Grace Hopper for COBOL! I'm sorry, but technically speaking you're not looking at ANYTHING in a new way, you're just duplicating what was already there - built by PAID programmers working for a BIG CORPORATION. No question putting that in Everyman's hands is a great contribution, but not enough for Man of The Century.
As I recall there was plenty of public domain software around when RMS started the FSF, and you didn't have to buy into his political/social movement to use it, and you could do anything you damn well pleased with it. Now all people do is argue about license terms.
Now THAT'S a writer. Mr. Katz take note.
...maybe I can actually stop by there and take a look! I'm afraid I'm not optimistic, especially after I heard the part about an AI machine with consciousness.