Whatever was done in the past is not my point. Rather, why should the open-source movement look at Microsoft as any sort of standard as to innovation. Microsoft says open source is not innovative. The fact that Microsoft itself does not innovate does not invalidate that observation. It does not change the issue. Is open source innovative at this point in time? For the most part, no. If someone can point out to me some innovative open source projects, I will gladly eat crow and smile about it. I just don't see them out there.
So what you're saying is that becuase Microsoft hasn't innovated much of anything, it's OK for open-source to follow the same route? Am I misunderstanding you? I would like to think that the goals of the open-source community would not be determined by what Microsoft has or hasn't done.
Ah yes, the ever present comments about "folk myths" and such every time this debate comes up. Repeat after me....
If you say something is true long and loud enough, it must be true. (Read: Evolutionary Theory)
Micro-evolution has been proven, Macro-evolution has not. Current evolution theory has holes big enough to drive a truck through. Example: If evolution is based on "survival of the fittest", how did an organ such as the mammalian eye come about? An organ as complex as the eye does not just spontaneously mutate into existance, nor would evolutionary constraints allow it to evolve over millions of years: How would some form of non-functioning proto-eye enhance survival?
That being said, I'm not endorsing religous views of creation, merely pointing out that current evolutionary theory is just that, theory, and incomplete at that.
Wrong Wrong Wrong.
Any media outlet, whether it be radio stations or MTV, pay a performance fee to the artist EVERY time an artist's work is played. That is what organizations like BMI exist for; they monitor the media outlets and collect fees for the artists, so they don't have to do it themselves. Ever worked in radio? Didn't think so.
If the general public choose and buy open storage technologies, even at a price premium over equivalent content control alternatives, the control technologies will go away, just like Betamax.
Now if I can just motivate 100 million sheeple to boycott Dataplay...
I'll assume this is a legitimate quesiton, and not trolling
We should care because of the reasons Ransom mentioned in the article, however much we might disagree with his perspective. UnixWare is an enterprise level OS and has been for quite some time. It is more mature than Linux and has several features Linux currently lacks. (again, see article). If the source code for UnixWare was made available to the Linux development community, those features could be more readily be implemented in the next version of the Linux kernel. Open-source 101
I would venture that ANY system running on an x86 platform is not "Enterprise" level. That being said, the work IBM is currently doing with Linux on the mainframe is not only intriging, but provides a very legitimate chance for Linux to fulfill the promise of Enterprise level functionality.
Artists making most of their money touring is a popular misconception. Unless you are the Backstreet Boys or Britney, you tour primarily to support an album and keep your name in people's minds. If you are a mid-range level band (under 1,000,000 in album sales), you are lucky to break even on touring, unless you are fortunate enough to get on a festival package, such as Ozzfest. People wonder why T-shirts cost so much at concerts; it's to offset the cost of putting the whole thing together. Remember, most bands do not sell out arenas at $75 a seat.
in the future of open-source/free software, I'd expect to see releases of Unixware source code to the developer community under a open license, wouldn't you?
You are either trolling or you are ignorant of the benefits of open source. If it's the latter, please investigate "The Cathedral and the Bazaar", written by Eric Raymond. If it's the former, please read "How to Win Friends and Influence People", by Dale Carnegie
Why even bother reading in the future? Matrix style data jacks will be the rage, right? We'll just bypass that annoying low-bandwidth optical interface!
Whether or not they can isn't the point. What he is saying is that continuing to support SSH1 is a Bad Idea. Kinda like saying continuing to drive a Ford Explorer with Firestone tires is a Bad Idea.
Can he stop them? No. Do they have every right to continue supporting it? Yes. Is it a good idea to continue supporting it? I don't think so.
Not sure why you're equating me with Hannibal, but anyway...
Read my message again. Note the smiley face after the first sentence. See the note regarding me trying to be ironic. Look at my request for a practical use for a system like this.
You are correct in saying I have no idea what a headache modern hardware is. I don't, that's why I asked. The AC who responded to me gave me more useful information than you did.
And how the hell did I use a condescending tone? I think you need to turn down your sensitivity settings and go out to a pub for a drink. It's all just a bunch of 1s, 0s, and silicon, relax willya?
Which music and lyrics? The stuff off the Static X album? I can assure you that such a lyric does not exist on that album. If not that, what are you referring to?
...would be education. Education of the law enforcement officials who carry out this kind of knee-jerk action because they truly do not understand the culture or the technology. Not that ignorance is a valid excuse, but you would be suprised how many cops, prosecuters, etc think all geeks are made from the templates in the movie Hackers. (How's that for scary?)
You need to sit down and figure out what that hunk of circuits means to you and what you want to use it for. Is it just a matter of being productive? Then you should probably start using Windows. If it means more to you than that (as it does to most Slashdotters), weigh the tradeoffs. I guess this brings up a question to the Linux development community: What foreign languages are supported with the distributions out there, and what are in the works?
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Whatever was done in the past is not my point. Rather, why should the open-source movement look at Microsoft as any sort of standard as to innovation. Microsoft says open source is not innovative. The fact that Microsoft itself does not innovate does not invalidate that observation. It does not change the issue. Is open source innovative at this point in time? For the most part, no. If someone can point out to me some innovative open source projects, I will gladly eat crow and smile about it. I just don't see them out there.
So what you're saying is that becuase Microsoft hasn't innovated much of anything, it's OK for open-source to follow the same route? Am I misunderstanding you? I would like to think that the goals of the open-source community would not be determined by what Microsoft has or hasn't done.
Ah yes, the ever present comments about "folk myths" and such every time this debate comes up. Repeat after me....
If you say something is true long and loud enough, it must be true. (Read: Evolutionary Theory)
Micro-evolution has been proven, Macro-evolution has not. Current evolution theory has holes big enough to drive a truck through. Example: If evolution is based on "survival of the fittest", how did an organ such as the mammalian eye come about? An organ as complex as the eye does not just spontaneously mutate into existance, nor would evolutionary constraints allow it to evolve over millions of years: How would some form of non-functioning proto-eye enhance survival?
That being said, I'm not endorsing religous views of creation, merely pointing out that current evolutionary theory is just that, theory, and incomplete at that.
Wrong Wrong Wrong.
Any media outlet, whether it be radio stations or MTV, pay a performance fee to the artist EVERY time an artist's work is played. That is what organizations like BMI exist for; they monitor the media outlets and collect fees for the artists, so they don't have to do it themselves. Ever worked in radio? Didn't think so.
If the general public choose and buy open storage technologies, even at a price premium over equivalent content control alternatives, the control technologies will go away, just like Betamax.
Now if I can just motivate 100 million sheeple to boycott Dataplay...
Why should we care?
I'll assume this is a legitimate quesiton, and not trolling
We should care because of the reasons Ransom mentioned in the article, however much we might disagree with his perspective. UnixWare is an enterprise level OS and has been for quite some time. It is more mature than Linux and has several features Linux currently lacks. (again, see article). If the source code for UnixWare was made available to the Linux development community, those features could be more readily be implemented in the next version of the Linux kernel. Open-source 101
I would venture that ANY system running on an x86 platform is not "Enterprise" level. That being said, the work IBM is currently doing with Linux on the mainframe is not only intriging, but provides a very legitimate chance for Linux to fulfill the promise of Enterprise level functionality.
Artists making most of their money touring is a popular misconception. Unless you are the Backstreet Boys or Britney, you tour primarily to support an album and keep your name in people's minds. If you are a mid-range level band (under 1,000,000 in album sales), you are lucky to break even on touring, unless you are fortunate enough to get on a festival package, such as Ozzfest. People wonder why T-shirts cost so much at concerts; it's to offset the cost of putting the whole thing together. Remember, most bands do not sell out arenas at $75 a seat.
in the future of open-source/free software, I'd expect to see releases of Unixware source code to the developer community under a open license, wouldn't you?
Of course, there are plenty of 40+ year old people who:
are anti-life
tree huggers
thinks people should be punished for making money
thinks everyone should be hippie pagans
Be careful when you start spouting stereotypes.
Actually Jon Katz==Gollum
With reference to the Tolkien's Simillarillon, would that make IBM==Morgoth?
You are either trolling or you are ignorant of the benefits of open source. If it's the latter, please investigate "The Cathedral and the Bazaar", written by Eric Raymond. If it's the former, please read "How to Win Friends and Influence People", by Dale Carnegie
They will figure out some way to screw it up, they always do. They're kinda like Wile E. Coyote that way.
Why even bother reading in the future? Matrix style data jacks will be the rage, right? We'll just bypass that annoying low-bandwidth optical interface!
Whether or not they can isn't the point. What he is saying is that continuing to support SSH1 is a Bad Idea. Kinda like saying continuing to drive a Ford Explorer with Firestone tires is a Bad Idea.
Can he stop them? No.
Do they have every right to continue supporting it? Yes.
Is it a good idea to continue supporting it? I don't think so.
Because after this negative publicity, programs like Pinkerton's WAVE will have a much harder time getting buy-in.
Someone trying to do this with Windows 2000? Ever seen a picture of a really, REALLY pot of spaghetti?
40 million lines of code. It may be flamebait, but it's TRUE flamebait.
Someone trying to do this with Windows 2000? Ever seen a picture of a really, REALLY pot of spaghetti?
Not sure why you're equating me with Hannibal, but anyway...
Read my message again. Note the smiley face after the first sentence. See the note regarding me trying to be ironic. Look at my request for a practical use for a system like this.
You are correct in saying I have no idea what a headache modern hardware is. I don't, that's why I asked. The AC who responded to me gave me more useful information than you did.
And how the hell did I use a condescending tone? I think you need to turn down your sensitivity settings and go out to a pub for a drink. It's all just a bunch of 1s, 0s, and silicon, relax willya?
Another port of an operatiing system nobody uses to a platform nobody wants! :-)
(Moderators, I'm trying to be ironic/sarcastic here.)
Now a serious question. Aside from the value of "We did it because we could", what purpose would something like this serve? Anyone have any ideas?
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Which music and lyrics? The stuff off the Static X album? I can assure you that such a lyric does not exist on that album. If not that, what are you referring to?
Right up his alley. Turn him loose, they'll be begging for mercy
...would be education. Education of the law enforcement officials who carry out this kind of knee-jerk action because they truly do not understand the culture or the technology. Not that ignorance is a valid excuse, but you would be suprised how many cops, prosecuters, etc think all geeks are made from the templates in the movie Hackers. (How's that for scary?)
You need to sit down and figure out what that hunk of circuits means to you and what you want to use it for. Is it just a matter of being productive? Then you should probably start using Windows. If it means more to you than that (as it does to most Slashdotters), weigh the tradeoffs. I guess this brings up a question to the Linux development community: What foreign languages are supported with the distributions out there, and what are in the works?