People who had diseases did NOT survive without penicillin. Those folks may have needed it to live.:)
I doubt a whole lot of people have died as a result of having to stay home in dangerous conditions (maybe some did, but they probably didn't keep any supplies in their house when a storm was coming like they should have). I bet you more die as a result of driving into conditions they now, erroneously, think they can handle.
I read something recently that said that obesity is actually a MAJOR drain for reasons like that. Not only the fact that fat folks use more gas to move themselves (or public transit uses more energy to move them, or whatever), but the energy put into moving all of the unnecessary food and larger clothing, etc.
Might be better to spend the money on therapy to figure out why you aren't happier with a nice station wagon for $30k compared to a $30k truck. I'm only half serious, but I have to wonder when everyone became so attached to getting exactly what they want, at the expense of other things that make a lot more sense.
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What's the mileage like? Unsurprisingly, that performance-car article doesn't say.
Different needs or different wants? There's a big difference.
I stand by the fact that people survived, in Buffalo, without SUV's for quite a long time.
4x4 does not make driving in the snow safer. I drive something without 4x4 and I've never had an accident in the snow. Maybe you need to learn to drive instead of buying a different vehicle.
Yeah, because you guys are going to have no problem finding a gas station that is open and roads that are passable. Ever seen a disaster movie? People run... on foot.
Half of those things one does every once in awhile. If you're hitting deer rather than avoiding them, you're probably a shithead anyway.
You are yet another one of these people who thinks they have a list of reasons for buying one of these stupid things that people who own cars are able to do every day without a truck.
It makes more sense to burn the gas into my air you say? Thanks a lot.
The Priuses that Toyota bought back from that Canadian taxi concern had something like 476K miles on them and were still running fine... so yes, I guess you'll see.
Most of the people who claim that they can't afford to move closer to work make more money than I do and work in the same place. They've just decided that apartments like mine are too small. Hey, do what you want with your money, but when you can't afford your commute anymore, I'll let you know what I told you years earlier.
I can second this. My dad owns one, and the legroom even in the back seat is pretty decent. The same was not true of the Corolla we had before that ('86).
Where I live, if there's too much snow to drive, you walk or take a train. I don't know why driving in the snow is really even a necessity. I do it sometimes because I enjoy it (more of a challenge and you learn how to do it better).
I know, because it's impossible for me to drive my "little munchkin car" to a truck rental place.
Seems like you're the sucker -- everyone else figured out how to get by not buying a truck and just enlisting your help when it's needed.
"I cannot see myself or my wife in a station wagon." This is the good reason you've used for driving something that gets fewer MPG. Congratulations. FYI, a minivan also gets much better mileage than that with more room. SUV's don't have much interior room compared to vans.
We actually are helping pay your car bills because we get to pay for pollution and road damage even though we may not drive at all... so start considering my opinion.
They were pulled out of thin air to avoid CAFE standards, among other things. Sounds like you fell for it.
I love that when we have one of these discussions, all of these people come out of the woodwork and say "yeah, I hate it when people buy them and don't need them -- I need them because my cousin has a big dog and I bought a couch once!"...please. 90% of these things could be handled by a rental, or by looking at expectations. The Great Dane can't stretch out? I had a compact car as a kid, and maybe the dog was cramped. Oh well -- the dog does not need luxury and the dog does not live in the car.
How did people handle those tough Buffalo winters before they invented these asshole mobiles? It doesn't snow in NJ anymore, but a few years ago it used to.
Incidentally, if you live in a city, you do not need an off-road vehicle to get around. I really don't care what you say you need, there is no way it's necessary.
PS: Liberty gets shit gas mileage anyway.
Vans are well designed, SUV's are not. I have plenty more space in the minivan that I occasionally drive than any SUV owner, with better mileage and less weight.
Stay on the road and you can do all of those things, with a sedan. I did all of them as a kid and my parents owned a compact car and later a minivan. Or buy a sedan and rent a stupid truck the few times a year you actually do this (you'd be renting a new truck, too, not one that is aging).
It won't happen at a rate of speed so fast that there's no hope of catching up (unless people wait for things to really collapse).
Many suburbs, BTW, also have decent public transit. Basically all of northern NJ does with few exceptions, and some of them are rather sparse.
The city I live in now could support another 200,000 people with relatively little trouble.
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People who had diseases did NOT survive without penicillin. Those folks may have needed it to live. :)
I doubt a whole lot of people have died as a result of having to stay home in dangerous conditions (maybe some did, but they probably didn't keep any supplies in their house when a storm was coming like they should have). I bet you more die as a result of driving into conditions they now, erroneously, think they can handle.
4x4 helps you go, not stop. Stopping in the snow is often much more important than going.
How is the official figure 42 and the mileage 18?
I read something recently that said that obesity is actually a MAJOR drain for reasons like that. Not only the fact that fat folks use more gas to move themselves (or public transit uses more energy to move them, or whatever), but the energy put into moving all of the unnecessary food and larger clothing, etc.
Might be better to spend the money on therapy to figure out why you aren't happier with a nice station wagon for $30k compared to a $30k truck. I'm only half serious, but I have to wonder when everyone became so attached to getting exactly what they want, at the expense of other things that make a lot more sense.
What's the mileage like? Unsurprisingly, that performance-car article doesn't say.
You act like there's a big traffic problem out there caused by bicycles. Has anyone else ever heard of this?
Different needs or different wants? There's a big difference. I stand by the fact that people survived, in Buffalo, without SUV's for quite a long time. 4x4 does not make driving in the snow safer. I drive something without 4x4 and I've never had an accident in the snow. Maybe you need to learn to drive instead of buying a different vehicle.
Yeah, because you guys are going to have no problem finding a gas station that is open and roads that are passable. Ever seen a disaster movie? People run... on foot.
Half of those things one does every once in awhile. If you're hitting deer rather than avoiding them, you're probably a shithead anyway. You are yet another one of these people who thinks they have a list of reasons for buying one of these stupid things that people who own cars are able to do every day without a truck. It makes more sense to burn the gas into my air you say? Thanks a lot.
I'm just curious why having a baby requires something even larger than an HHR. Babies are small, you realize.
The Priuses that Toyota bought back from that Canadian taxi concern had something like 476K miles on them and were still running fine... so yes, I guess you'll see.
Most of the people who claim that they can't afford to move closer to work make more money than I do and work in the same place. They've just decided that apartments like mine are too small. Hey, do what you want with your money, but when you can't afford your commute anymore, I'll let you know what I told you years earlier.
I can second this. My dad owns one, and the legroom even in the back seat is pretty decent. The same was not true of the Corolla we had before that ('86).
Depending on the lumber store, it's likely that they rent small trucks for just this reason.
Where I live, if there's too much snow to drive, you walk or take a train. I don't know why driving in the snow is really even a necessity. I do it sometimes because I enjoy it (more of a challenge and you learn how to do it better).
I know, because it's impossible for me to drive my "little munchkin car" to a truck rental place. Seems like you're the sucker -- everyone else figured out how to get by not buying a truck and just enlisting your help when it's needed.
"I cannot see myself or my wife in a station wagon." This is the good reason you've used for driving something that gets fewer MPG. Congratulations. FYI, a minivan also gets much better mileage than that with more room. SUV's don't have much interior room compared to vans.
We actually are helping pay your car bills because we get to pay for pollution and road damage even though we may not drive at all... so start considering my opinion.
They were pulled out of thin air to avoid CAFE standards, among other things. Sounds like you fell for it. I love that when we have one of these discussions, all of these people come out of the woodwork and say "yeah, I hate it when people buy them and don't need them -- I need them because my cousin has a big dog and I bought a couch once!" ...please. 90% of these things could be handled by a rental, or by looking at expectations. The Great Dane can't stretch out? I had a compact car as a kid, and maybe the dog was cramped. Oh well -- the dog does not need luxury and the dog does not live in the car.
How did people handle those tough Buffalo winters before they invented these asshole mobiles? It doesn't snow in NJ anymore, but a few years ago it used to. Incidentally, if you live in a city, you do not need an off-road vehicle to get around. I really don't care what you say you need, there is no way it's necessary. PS: Liberty gets shit gas mileage anyway.
The odds are very good that you're not going off road every day, or even every week. I'd say the trailer bit is probably even less likely.
Vans are well designed, SUV's are not. I have plenty more space in the minivan that I occasionally drive than any SUV owner, with better mileage and less weight.
Stay on the road and you can do all of those things, with a sedan. I did all of them as a kid and my parents owned a compact car and later a minivan. Or buy a sedan and rent a stupid truck the few times a year you actually do this (you'd be renting a new truck, too, not one that is aging).
It won't happen at a rate of speed so fast that there's no hope of catching up (unless people wait for things to really collapse). Many suburbs, BTW, also have decent public transit. Basically all of northern NJ does with few exceptions, and some of them are rather sparse. The city I live in now could support another 200,000 people with relatively little trouble.