these are both very important features, so if you can identify how excel does these better then you might be onto something... still it would have to be a fairly major difference to convince me to dump a free office suite to pay hundreds of dollars for microsoft office, but i'm not averse to paying for something if it does a better job
granted many macros from excel can't be run "out of the box" but there are basic (language) macros in calc and many excel macros would probably need minimal changes to work
i don't find much need for macros since most requirements of a spreadsheet can be met with formulas or conditional formatting. anything more and you're probably encroaching on database or external script territory.
so if ie6 was defacto standard, why would microsoft give in the the w3c? (which would be like goliath bending over and letting david fuck him up the ass)
or is "defacto standard" just another way of microsoft falling flat on its face, getting up and saying "yeah we meant that"
just develop your windows port with a few sleep commands thrown in...
client: "is there a windows version?" you: "well, sure, but it runs slower than the linux version because windows is for luzers" client: "that sux... can you set up a linux box for me?" you: "sure, that will be an extra $10k" client: "fuck me that's a bit steep isn't it?" you: "meh" client: "well i guess i don't really want the slow version... where do i sign?"
microsoft has given us one good thing... gotta love consumer ignorance when it comes to computers
dunno why it really matters when desktop computers are becoming less popular and android (powered by linux) has already taken over the world... and that's not even including the linux kernels is pretty much every wireless router, nas drive, set top box, smart tv, etc, linux dominance in the data center and most of the top supercomputers running linux.
maybe the meme should be changed to "year of linux everything"
meanwhile with any new version of windows any number of legacy apps may be broken... and there's a good chance you don't have the source code for it and the company that developed it has long since folded
what can excel do that libreoffice calc can't? answer that truthfully and sincerely and you may convert me. till then i refuse to pay for supposed extraordinary power user features that i can't find to take advantage of.
on the other hand, dpi could mean something totally different here... there are so many pixels on screens nowadays (think apple's retina) that perhaps every second pixel is actually a ccd component that together forms a big camera on your screen
probably not, but i wouldn't put it past companies down the track
gnome fallback is good enough for the moment (probably only because it's what i'm used to)
eventually i'd like to wean myself off wm altogether. i use cli a bit, but at the moment it's faster for me to program in gedit than a cli editor like nano. i also haven't yet looked into something like twinview without x (i'm rather attached to my dual screen setup) though i i'm a bit doubtful since nvidia uses xorg.conf
Inspired, Microsoft created Windows 8. It's new interface kills desktop computing, while its requirement of a keyboard kills tablet computing.
while i agree that windows 8 is much faster to boot up and a little bit faster to use than windows 7 (because it doesn't have the aero features), i think i'll wait to see how windows 8 "kills" anything before i believe it.
the only decent windows 8 laptop i've seen is the samsung series 9 (http://www.samsung.com/au/article/a-book-you-definitely-judge-by-its-cover), but it's expensive ($2000-odd) and it's the hardware that makes it great more so than the software. i think things like solid state drives have probably had a bigger impact on performance than software "tuning" by microsoft.
it takes a bit but you can get used to the new user interface features of windows 8, but that also doesn't make it great (windows 7 is perfectly fine the way it is, just as most user interfaces once you get used to them).
So now why would you want WfWg again?
i've tried wfwg on a virtual machine and it is lightning fast on even average modern hardware specs. if only software developers even thought about memory usage or clock cycles then we probably wouldn't really need much more than a 16-bit OS. MS-DOS as a back-end wasn't half bad because you could close down the UI and speed things up even more.
if microsoft made a 64-bit version of wfwg and added a few tools to the MS-DOS back end (similar to linux and the unix philosophy) it would be a great OS to rival even linux on the desktop and server.
windows 8 may be less bloated than windows 7, but it is certainly more bloated than wfwg (and linux for that matter). at least in linux you can remove fatware like kde and replace with something like xfce or even no gui at all.
barebones linux+cli is like a modern day version of ms-dos (on steroids) and xfce is like wfwg (on steroids).
i can understand that microsoft has a tangential motive for developing its software (profit) so if to achieve their goal they must fuel a market that requires continual upgrading and regular retraining then so be it, but don't be lulled into any false notion that microsoft develops software in the interests of the end user.
by far the majority of windows licenses aren't sold to end users, so if your customers were oems and training organisations, what kind of business strategy would you use?
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what can we expect from the pollution China is dishing out?
lots of black pots and kettles
calc has conditional formatting and cell merging
these are both very important features, so if you can identify how excel does these better then you might be onto something... still it would have to be a fairly major difference to convince me to dump a free office suite to pay hundreds of dollars for microsoft office, but i'm not averse to paying for something if it does a better job
They just spent around $11,000,000 migrating all internal sites and employee portals to sharepoint 2010 which integrates with.... office.
wow!... $11 million for death by powerpoint... what a bunch of retards
nope it can even do that
http://donate.libreoffice.org/
granted many macros from excel can't be run "out of the box" but there are basic (language) macros in calc and many excel macros would probably need minimal changes to work
https://help.libreoffice.org/Common/Using_Microsoft_Office_and#Macros_in_Microsoft_Office_and_LibreOffice
i don't find much need for macros since most requirements of a spreadsheet can be met with formulas or conditional formatting. anything more and you're probably encroaching on database or external script territory.
libreoffice calc opens excel files from all versions
ever tried opening an xlsx file with excel 2000?
integration with what?
what exactly can you integrate with excel that you can't integrate with libreoffice calc?
i guess if you've already paid for excel there's probably no point switching... yet
when you're facing having to upgrade excel for whatever reason is when you might consider free alternatives
so if ie6 was defacto standard, why would microsoft give in the the w3c? (which would be like goliath bending over and letting david fuck him up the ass)
or is "defacto standard" just another way of microsoft falling flat on its face, getting up and saying "yeah we meant that"
yeah cos running en entire legacy operating system in a virtual machine just to run a legacy program is awesome... linux is doomed
if i said i worked for apple would you believe me? :)
just develop your windows port with a few sleep commands thrown in...
client: "is there a windows version?"
you: "well, sure, but it runs slower than the linux version because windows is for luzers"
client: "that sux... can you set up a linux box for me?"
you: "sure, that will be an extra $10k"
client: "fuck me that's a bit steep isn't it?"
you: "meh"
client: "well i guess i don't really want the slow version... where do i sign?"
microsoft has given us one good thing... gotta love consumer ignorance when it comes to computers
dunno why it really matters when desktop computers are becoming less popular and android (powered by linux) has already taken over the world... and that's not even including the linux kernels is pretty much every wireless router, nas drive, set top box, smart tv, etc, linux dominance in the data center and most of the top supercomputers running linux.
maybe the meme should be changed to "year of linux everything"
meanwhile with any new version of windows any number of legacy apps may be broken... and there's a good chance you don't have the source code for it and the company that developed it has long since folded
when IE 6 was the standard and W3C was broken in the eyes of I.T.
i realize with your username you have to praise everything microsoft, but surely that was a joke right?
what can excel do that libreoffice calc can't? answer that truthfully and sincerely and you may convert me. till then i refuse to pay for supposed extraordinary power user features that i can't find to take advantage of.
on the other hand, dpi could mean something totally different here... there are so many pixels on screens nowadays (think apple's retina) that perhaps every second pixel is actually a ccd component that together forms a big camera on your screen
probably not, but i wouldn't put it past companies down the track
chinese don't need to hack for information... they can merely sell off some of their $1+ trillion in US dollar reserves and buy it
gnome fallback is good enough for the moment (probably only because it's what i'm used to)
eventually i'd like to wean myself off wm altogether. i use cli a bit, but at the moment it's faster for me to program in gedit than a cli editor like nano. i also haven't yet looked into something like twinview without x (i'm rather attached to my dual screen setup) though i i'm a bit doubtful since nvidia uses xorg.conf
Inspired, Microsoft created Windows 8. It's new interface kills desktop computing, while its requirement of a keyboard kills tablet computing.
while i agree that windows 8 is much faster to boot up and a little bit faster to use than windows 7 (because it doesn't have the aero features), i think i'll wait to see how windows 8 "kills" anything before i believe it.
the only decent windows 8 laptop i've seen is the samsung series 9 (http://www.samsung.com/au/article/a-book-you-definitely-judge-by-its-cover), but it's expensive ($2000-odd) and it's the hardware that makes it great more so than the software. i think things like solid state drives have probably had a bigger impact on performance than software "tuning" by microsoft.
it takes a bit but you can get used to the new user interface features of windows 8, but that also doesn't make it great (windows 7 is perfectly fine the way it is, just as most user interfaces once you get used to them).
So now why would you want WfWg again?
i've tried wfwg on a virtual machine and it is lightning fast on even average modern hardware specs. if only software developers even thought about memory usage or clock cycles then we probably wouldn't really need much more than a 16-bit OS. MS-DOS as a back-end wasn't half bad because you could close down the UI and speed things up even more.
if microsoft made a 64-bit version of wfwg and added a few tools to the MS-DOS back end (similar to linux and the unix philosophy) it would be a great OS to rival even linux on the desktop and server.
windows 8 may be less bloated than windows 7, but it is certainly more bloated than wfwg (and linux for that matter). at least in linux you can remove fatware like kde and replace with something like xfce or even no gui at all.
barebones linux+cli is like a modern day version of ms-dos (on steroids) and xfce is like wfwg (on steroids).
i can understand that microsoft has a tangential motive for developing its software (profit) so if to achieve their goal they must fuel a market that requires continual upgrading and regular retraining then so be it, but don't be lulled into any false notion that microsoft develops software in the interests of the end user.
by far the majority of windows licenses aren't sold to end users, so if your customers were oems and training organisations, what kind of business strategy would you use?
but at least it wouldn't suck slowly like current versions of windows :)
linux isn't based on unix... it's merely "unix-like"
it was developed from scratch
haven't you heard of the whole SCO fiasco? if they couldn't find any code in linux ripped off from unix, how can you expect me to believe you have?
might want to lay off the ballmer ball juice
it just adds another aspect to a fire sale
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