the only question is whether it's better to have DRM accessibility build into standard compliant browsers, or users have to download various plugins to access DRM-protected content
the "assiocial assholes who want to employ DRM" have nothing to do with the mechanism of its employment... they will employ whatever mechanism is available, even if it is a pain in the ass for the user
regardless of the arguments for and against DRM, the issue here isn't about stopping DRM.... you cannot stop it regardless of what the w3c does
i don't like DRM either and i avoid it like the plague that it is, but i do understand the point of standardizing it to the point where the user only needs their browser to access it and doesn't need to download a heap of plugins
the problem is that a lot of people hate DRM so they think that because the w3c is getting involved that the entire web is going to be crippled by DRM... these people are the ones that don't understand DRM or the role of the w3c
DRM won't go away, regardless of how you access it or what the w3c does. even if it were made illegal (it won't, but for sake of argument)... the effect would be that all DRM protected content is taken offline and you would have to go to a store to buy it instead... studios etc aren't going to all of a sudden have a change of heart and make everything freely available just because they can't use DRM.
if DRM can be cracked, so what? every type of digital security has people out there trying to crack them... does that mean they are all pointless? maybe you think there's no point encrypting online banking transactions either? they are all "illogical nonsense" after all
DRM was the enabler of providing online content that would otherwise never have been made available online if there wasn't any level of protection at all... and if all digital protection was broken tomorrow, a whole heap of services (including online banking, e-commerce, remote management, etc) would all be taken offline due to the risk.
html5 standard is significantly more "shit" then silverlight or flash
html5 is better than silverlight and flash even if merely for the reason that it's built into the browser, which is the whole point of a standard
on that basis alone your argument is moot
and regarding DRM... it will keep increasing regardless... the only question is whether you need to download various plugins to access content, or if there is a standard you need only your browser
this whole argument about stopping DRM in it's tracks is just stupid and pointless... it has been around for years, will continue to be around regardless of what any of you do, and will increase in future regardless
i agree... it's just a pity ron paul wasn't in office
if rand paul get's in in 2016 things might look a bit better
the son of ron paul might not be as good as ron paul himself, but rand has been heavily influenced by ron and shares a lot of his thinking, so hopefully he has a chance
jesse ventura is a bit more colorful, but he is also a very passionate speaker and while the media paints him as a kook, if you actually listen to him he is merely mistrusting of the government, which isn't necessarily wrong. i don't know whether he would run for president, or even if he did whether he would have much of a chance, but like jesse himself said in one of his speeches, it's not about voting for the winner; it's about voting for who you think will do the best job for the country.
we just need to keep helping the "idiot voters" that voting for more welfare might put more money in their pocket in the short term, but it's going to eventually bankrupt the country and then they won't get anything
Please explain how he could have done it faster than what was done under Obama
just go to youtube and search for his name... he has been asked to explain and justify his positions (that he has consistently held for years, including through 10 terms as congressman), so why take my word when you can hear it from him
it's not rocket science... he just signs a piece of paper (presidential order) and then he might make a few phone calls to the leaders of respective countries where united states forces are based to explain what's going on and why, and to begin the process of rebuilding relations on equal terms rather than as an occupier
for example, if DRM was made illegal tomorrow, you wouldn't all of a sudden see all the previously DRM protected content made freely available - it just wouldn't be available to download at all and you would have to go to a store to buy it
DRM is already a reality, whether you or I like it or not
the only thing in question is whether to access that content you need 10 different plugins for content from various sources, or just your browser
DRM has nothing to do with science or whatever you were crapping on about.... nice tangent though
you gotta be pretty dumb if you expect anyone to buy into that, but people fantasize about all sorts of shit so good luck with that
the "incompatability hell" that you speak of is the situation as it currently stands... you either use Flash, Silverlight, or some other proprietary plugin or program... lack of a standard will perpetuate this problem
it doesn't matter who develops the standard. what matters is who controls the standard. would you rather Microsoft or Adobe control the DRM plugins of choice, or would you prefer the W3C to manage and control it? i know which i would prefer, and a W3C controlled standard is far more likely to be implemented across the board than any vendor-specific plugins that have been designed to lock the user into a vendor ecosystem
so a DRM standard doesn't have to be open source, nor does it have to be vendor specific
if you are really worried about fragmentation of the web (and not just your personal freedom to download content illegally) you would be supporting such a venture
it doesn't take a genius to figure out why many users of the internet are opposed to a DRM standard
you might own your computer, but you don't own whatever content is secured by DRM
if you want to be able to do whatever you want with DRM protected content (such as your threatening message) you must ask the owner of that content for permission (that's kida the whole idea of DRM)
if you don't like DRM content, don't use it... nobody is holding a gun to your head
if you get a threatening message on some online site, stop using that site or reply in kind. what benefit are you really going to get by being able to save a threatening message off the interweb? why would you even want to unless you get off by being threatened? keep it to show the police? pffft... gimme a break.
computers don't disobey their owners. they do exactly as they are designed to do. the real problem is the expectations of their owners. a computer is not a free ticket to whatever you want off the internet.
most computer users put up with DRM every day.... binary executables are a form of DRM because even though the binary code is also copyrighted, the source code (the real valuable copyrighted material) is obfuscated. i know the open source movement allows the use of code for free, but that is the choice of the developers. how would you feel if you spent your time developing a program and your users simply demanded the source code because they think any kind of digital rights management sucks ass?
All smart people knew from the start that it was mostly bullshit.
Hindsight is always 20/20.
A lot of "smart" people thought Peter Schiff was an idiot in 2006-2007 for predicting the fall of Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac and the major banks... and guess what, now they think he's stupid for predicting the imminent collapse of the US dollar.
A lot of "smart" people also thought Ron Paul was stupid for predicting that the risk of terrorism would increase as a result of foreign policy in the 90's (that same foreign policy has increased since).
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yes i do... in the united states, it's social security, medicare/medicaid and defense (broadly speaking)
sure the government wastes a shitload of money, and channels it to campaign supporters and lobbyists
the difference is that the government can't hide corruption of the same magnitude of unfunded liabilities like social security and medicare/medicaid
from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_debt_of_the_United_States#Unfunded_obligations_excluded ... "Approximately $7.7 trillion relates to Social Security, while $38.2 trillion relates to Medicare and Medicaid."
too many tax dollars is going to welfare bums that smoke and gorge themselves on alcohol and junk food
hyperinflation will end the party soon though
DRM isn't going to go away
the only question is whether it's better to have DRM accessibility build into standard compliant browsers, or users have to download various plugins to access DRM-protected content
the "assiocial assholes who want to employ DRM" have nothing to do with the mechanism of its employment... they will employ whatever mechanism is available, even if it is a pain in the ass for the user
regardless of the arguments for and against DRM, the issue here isn't about stopping DRM.... you cannot stop it regardless of what the w3c does
i don't like DRM either and i avoid it like the plague that it is, but i do understand the point of standardizing it to the point where the user only needs their browser to access it and doesn't need to download a heap of plugins
the problem is that a lot of people hate DRM so they think that because the w3c is getting involved that the entire web is going to be crippled by DRM... these people are the ones that don't understand DRM or the role of the w3c
DRM won't go away, regardless of how you access it or what the w3c does. even if it were made illegal (it won't, but for sake of argument)... the effect would be that all DRM protected content is taken offline and you would have to go to a store to buy it instead... studios etc aren't going to all of a sudden have a change of heart and make everything freely available just because they can't use DRM.
if DRM can be cracked, so what? every type of digital security has people out there trying to crack them... does that mean they are all pointless? maybe you think there's no point encrypting online banking transactions either? they are all "illogical nonsense" after all
DRM was the enabler of providing online content that would otherwise never have been made available online if there wasn't any level of protection at all... and if all digital protection was broken tomorrow, a whole heap of services (including online banking, e-commerce, remote management, etc) would all be taken offline due to the risk.
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3566531&cid=43252101
html5 standard is significantly more "shit" then silverlight or flash
html5 is better than silverlight and flash even if merely for the reason that it's built into the browser, which is the whole point of a standard
on that basis alone your argument is moot
and regarding DRM... it will keep increasing regardless... the only question is whether you need to download various plugins to access content, or if there is a standard you need only your browser
this whole argument about stopping DRM in it's tracks is just stupid and pointless... it has been around for years, will continue to be around regardless of what any of you do, and will increase in future regardless
idiot yourself
there will be more drm anyway... just in lots of different forms which means you have to download lots of different plugins to access it
that is unless the w3c introduces a standard where the user only needs their browser
i agree... it's just a pity ron paul wasn't in office
if rand paul get's in in 2016 things might look a bit better
the son of ron paul might not be as good as ron paul himself, but rand has been heavily influenced by ron and shares a lot of his thinking, so hopefully he has a chance
jesse ventura is a bit more colorful, but he is also a very passionate speaker and while the media paints him as a kook, if you actually listen to him he is merely mistrusting of the government, which isn't necessarily wrong. i don't know whether he would run for president, or even if he did whether he would have much of a chance, but like jesse himself said in one of his speeches, it's not about voting for the winner; it's about voting for who you think will do the best job for the country.
we just need to keep helping the "idiot voters" that voting for more welfare might put more money in their pocket in the short term, but it's going to eventually bankrupt the country and then they won't get anything
Please explain how he could have done it faster than what was done under Obama
just go to youtube and search for his name... he has been asked to explain and justify his positions (that he has consistently held for years, including through 10 terms as congressman), so why take my word when you can hear it from him
it's not rocket science... he just signs a piece of paper (presidential order) and then he might make a few phone calls to the leaders of respective countries where united states forces are based to explain what's going on and why, and to begin the process of rebuilding relations on equal terms rather than as an occupier
DRM isn't nonsense, and i do understand
for example, if DRM was made illegal tomorrow, you wouldn't all of a sudden see all the previously DRM protected content made freely available - it just wouldn't be available to download at all and you would have to go to a store to buy it
DRM is already a reality, whether you or I like it or not
the only thing in question is whether to access that content you need 10 different plugins for content from various sources, or just your browser
DRM has nothing to do with science or whatever you were crapping on about.... nice tangent though
nobody wants DRM, but that doesn't make it wrong
i don't want stupid lazy leeching welfare bums pilfering my hard earned tax dollars either
it's all the queen of england.... that raggedy wrinkly shit stinking pussy of hers is still controlling the world after all these years
yeah Nixon was great... he floated the US dollar... genius
Are you saying that Obama, as commander and chief, did *not* set the war plans and timelines that ends these wars?
hahahahaha hahahahahahahahahaha hahahahahahahahaha hahahahahahahahahahaha hahahahahahahahahaha hahahahaha!!!!!!
but seriously, go back to your beloved CNN
Ron Paul would have pulled the troops out immediately after taking office
i would love to be the remote pilot in control of a UAV with a TSA officer's hand up the tailpipe
"whoops was that me that just accidentally started the engine?"
The HTML5 spec as it stands now is a mess
compared to what exactly?
maybe html 4.01
the pragmatic ones or the ones bitching about losing their ability to download content illegally?
it might mean old versions of ad block won't work any more
so i guess you boycott all gif images and mpegs too?
Stuff like this wouldn't be so bad if we didn't know how much an asshole these companies have always shown themselves to be in the past
i think the whole point of this is that it shifts control from the companies you despise to the W3C, which is less dispicable
or would you rather keep getting your DRM protected content through plugins controlled by the companies you despise?
the providers of DRM protected content won't change... what you're really doing is trying to shoot the messenger
If everyone starts using DRM, a site will pop up that doesn't use it if there is a want of it from the consumers
yep the interweb is full of illegally shared content.... but that doesn't make it any less illegal
close the web
you gotta be pretty dumb if you expect anyone to buy into that, but people fantasize about all sorts of shit so good luck with that
the "incompatability hell" that you speak of is the situation as it currently stands... you either use Flash, Silverlight, or some other proprietary plugin or program... lack of a standard will perpetuate this problem
it doesn't matter who develops the standard. what matters is who controls the standard. would you rather Microsoft or Adobe control the DRM plugins of choice, or would you prefer the W3C to manage and control it? i know which i would prefer, and a W3C controlled standard is far more likely to be implemented across the board than any vendor-specific plugins that have been designed to lock the user into a vendor ecosystem
so a DRM standard doesn't have to be open source, nor does it have to be vendor specific
if you are really worried about fragmentation of the web (and not just your personal freedom to download content illegally) you would be supporting such a venture
it doesn't take a genius to figure out why many users of the internet are opposed to a DRM standard
you might own your computer, but you don't own whatever content is secured by DRM
if you want to be able to do whatever you want with DRM protected content (such as your threatening message) you must ask the owner of that content for permission (that's kida the whole idea of DRM)
if you don't like DRM content, don't use it... nobody is holding a gun to your head
if you get a threatening message on some online site, stop using that site or reply in kind. what benefit are you really going to get by being able to save a threatening message off the interweb? why would you even want to unless you get off by being threatened? keep it to show the police? pffft... gimme a break.
computers don't disobey their owners. they do exactly as they are designed to do. the real problem is the expectations of their owners.
a computer is not a free ticket to whatever you want off the internet.
most computer users put up with DRM every day.... binary executables are a form of DRM because even though the binary code is also copyrighted, the source code (the real valuable copyrighted material) is obfuscated.
i know the open source movement allows the use of code for free, but that is the choice of the developers.
how would you feel if you spent your time developing a program and your users simply demanded the source code because they think any kind of digital rights management sucks ass?
DRM is DRM... there is no "easier" or "more" DRM
silverlight and flash are shit
html standards are not shit
if we must put up with DRM (and we do regardless of what happens) then i would rather have it built into a standard that aren't proprietary
All smart people knew from the start that it was mostly bullshit.
Hindsight is always 20/20.
A lot of "smart" people thought Peter Schiff was an idiot in 2006-2007 for predicting the fall of Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac and the major banks... and guess what, now they think he's stupid for predicting the imminent collapse of the US dollar.
A lot of "smart" people also thought Ron Paul was stupid for predicting that the risk of terrorism would increase as a result of foreign policy in the 90's (that same foreign policy has increased since).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2I0QN-FYkpw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bzbEWYi_CI8
Smart people are pretty stupid.