The Scrolls are possibly the most important archaeological discovery of the 20th century.
Atlantis was discovered hundreds of times during the 20th Century. Surely that adds up to more than a single discovery of some scrolls.
On a serious note, I'm skeptical of the claim anyway. We discovered entire civilizations we never previously knew existed, and a great number of unknown texts, entire unknown languages and writing systems, etc.
Back up your claims with links, otherwise this is a humor post.
Perhaps I erred by mixing humor and not-humor in one post, but if you're actually interested it will take you about 30 seconds to get a list started using Google. I mentioned a few in another branch of this thread.
There are multiple Codices and Roman records that state that a guy by the name of jesus was executed by crucifixion in the first century AD during the reign of Tiberius.
I don't think this is correct. You have Tacitus and Josephus, but that's non-contemporary historians rather than "records". Both are to some extent problematic as to authenticity as well.
See Wikipedia for more.
However, we still know that Pontius Pilatus ordered the execution, and that there is temple records and the briefings that were sent to Tiberius. And Tiberius was the emperor that officially recognized Christianity as a separate religion.
I'd like to know more about the temple records and briefings, if they actually exist. The claim that Tiberius asked the Senate to recognize Christianity is from Tertullian, a Christian writer born in 160 CE. However, Tiberius died in 37 CE, long before the Romans got the difference between Christianity and Judaism sorted out.
See Wikipedia for more.
so In all likelihood, Jesus was a real man. There is too much historical info to state otherwise.
There actually is room for doubt, and AFAIK no actual contemporary evidence. And though I'm not in the "he definitely did not exist" camp, I can't help but notice that if you subtract out all the mythical archetypes, wisdom sayings, and miracle stories, you aren't left with very much of substance. And theologians have to jump through hoops to make the primary literature seem self-consistent.
Also note that the Voyager craft only used standard chemical propellants during launch and slingshot affects around various planets to gain the momentum they currently have
Could you get more by slingshotting around the sun?
Considering that most modern Western societies used Jewish law as a starting point to subsequently build and develop their own law systems, considering that many non-Western societies have had their law systems influenced somewhat by Western societies, and seeing as the Dead Sea Scrolls shed some light on those legal systems and belief and in some ways challenge some of the previously held beliefs, then yes I'd say they're much more important than a society that is "unknown" and thus left no mark on the modern world. Ozymandais may have been great in his time, but the modern world couldn't care less.
You illustrate the problem of identifying "top" very well. It depends on who you are and what you think is important.
I doubt that many people in China would come to the same conclusion that you do.
A westerner of non-mainstream religious affiliation might set the Nag Hammadi library against the Dead Sea Scrolls. A secularist might name the decipherment of the Mycenean and Hittite scripts, Manu Pichu, Tutank's treasure, etc. If you consider hominid finds to be "archaeology", I would say that that stuff trumps all the rest by a huge margin.
Mod parent up. If these fragments were truly the word of god, then surely they would contain useful information that would increase our knowledge of the world/universe and would remain true even today. Instead, we get re-worked fables plagiarized from other sources, tribal customs codified into law, doomsday prophecies, and rants against various enemies (all of which the old testament is full of).
[emphasis mine]
Your claim probably makes sense to a lot of people in modern industrialized societies, but actually depends on a lot of assumptions about what a god would want.
30% are copies of texts not canonized in the Hebrew Bible (i.e. fanfiction)
I don't think you can characterize ancient texts that way. Canonization is a complex "theopolitical" process, and what gets in and what is left out doesn't necessarily have much to do with its quality, or who wrote it, or when (unless of course it was written after the canonization process was complete.) It's mostly a matter of whether the influential people in the society that does the canonization think a document supports their views or conflicts with them.
Rather than reading fables, I would prefer to see some of the manuscripts from Leonardo Da Vinci. Now, that would be something interesting and worth spending my time with!
And I want to see The Illustrated Perils of Gwendolyn, but sometimes you have to take what you get.
Hard to believe, but many, many people still believe the stories told in these documents are the literal word of God, rather than things that our Bronze Age ancestors cooked up to explain things they didn't understand and keep the population in line. Hopefully, at some future point, we will evolve beyond such fables and things like this will be an archeological curiosity, and nothing more.
Even harder to believe that an A/C passed up on an opportunity for a First Post for some mere boilerplate trolling.
The Scrolls are possibly the most important archaeological discovery of the 20th century.
Atlantis was discovered hundreds of times during the 20th Century. Surely that adds up to more than a single discovery of some scrolls.
On a serious note, I'm skeptical of the claim anyway. We discovered entire civilizations we never previously knew existed, and a great number of unknown texts, entire unknown languages and writing systems, etc.
Yes, evidence that backs up your idea is a good way to get a science grant, science grants have a proven track record of increasing our knowledge of the world around us.
Nowadays you HAVE to incorporate gas-influenced Climate Change into EVERYTHING you produce.Otherwise you risk losing your grant to a malleable researcher.
Yeah right because the 100+ nations that fund the IPCC all have exactly the same political agenda and every mainstream scientist, science journal and scientific institute on the planet has been bought of by an international system of grants that doesn't actually exist. Do you realize how fucking crazy paranoid you have to be to believe that, it's the same anti-science shit you hear from creationists, anti-vax'ers, and other groups of whacko's who don't like specific aspects of the natural world and choose to walk around with their head up their arse. Geology is the only tool we have to investigate past climate, get a grip on your paranoid delusions and go read a climate science text book, particularly the chapters on paleo-climatology.
Kinda like creationists claiming that you can't trust biologists because they're all in on an atheistic conspiracy to discredit religion.
The foundation of science denialism is disqualifying the actual experts from having an opinion on the topic.
I think the Westboro Church is a bunch of insensitive asshole douche bags, however I don't think the answer is to form hate groups against the hate groups.
Indeed, we should form a love group and welcome them with big hugs.
Men should welcome their men with hugs, and women their women...
Classic framing/griefing. Obviously they should add "and they probably know all 4 of those people" to the evidence list. I guess they overlooked that little tidbit. Otherwise good luck tracking down proxies and Tor exit nodes cuz that info is as worthless as it gets when it comes to finding this person.
Surely not many people use a "Syberian" post office, or even know where to find one.
Is it not suspicious also that their main feature is a little stick that gets bigger when you hold onto it. Admittedly it is a kickass weapon, but the feminist within would prefer if there was a less masculine option
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...why?
The Scrolls are possibly the most important archaeological discovery of the 20th century.
Atlantis was discovered hundreds of times during the 20th Century. Surely that adds up to more than a single discovery of some scrolls.
On a serious note, I'm skeptical of the claim anyway. We discovered entire civilizations we never previously knew existed, and a great number of unknown texts, entire unknown languages and writing systems, etc.
Back up your claims with links, otherwise this is a humor post.
Perhaps I erred by mixing humor and not-humor in one post, but if you're actually interested it will take you about 30 seconds to get a list started using Google. I mentioned a few in another branch of this thread.
There are multiple Codices and Roman records that state that a guy by the name of jesus was executed by crucifixion in the first century AD during the reign of Tiberius.
I don't think this is correct. You have Tacitus and Josephus, but that's non-contemporary historians rather than "records". Both are to some extent problematic as to authenticity as well.
See Wikipedia for more.
However, we still know that Pontius Pilatus ordered the execution, and that there is temple records and the briefings that were sent to Tiberius. And Tiberius was the emperor that officially recognized Christianity as a separate religion.
I'd like to know more about the temple records and briefings, if they actually exist. The claim that Tiberius asked the Senate to recognize Christianity is from Tertullian, a Christian writer born in 160 CE. However, Tiberius died in 37 CE, long before the Romans got the difference between Christianity and Judaism sorted out.
See Wikipedia for more.
so In all likelihood, Jesus was a real man. There is too much historical info to state otherwise.
There actually is room for doubt, and AFAIK no actual contemporary evidence. And though I'm not in the "he definitely did not exist" camp, I can't help but notice that if you subtract out all the mythical archetypes, wisdom sayings, and miracle stories, you aren't left with very much of substance. And theologians have to jump through hoops to make the primary literature seem self-consistent.
Also note that the Voyager craft only used standard chemical propellants during launch and slingshot affects around various planets to gain the momentum they currently have
Could you get more by slingshotting around the sun?
Forgot that little Code of Hammurabi thingy.
But the topic promises a pleasant evening of browsing on the internet.
Link?
I'm guessing that it won't quite fit in the margin.
Considering that most modern Western societies used Jewish law as a starting point to subsequently build and develop their own law systems, considering that many non-Western societies have had their law systems influenced somewhat by Western societies, and seeing as the Dead Sea Scrolls shed some light on those legal systems and belief and in some ways challenge some of the previously held beliefs, then yes I'd say they're much more important than a society that is "unknown" and thus left no mark on the modern world. Ozymandais may have been great in his time, but the modern world couldn't care less.
You illustrate the problem of identifying "top" very well. It depends on who you are and what you think is important.
I doubt that many people in China would come to the same conclusion that you do.
A westerner of non-mainstream religious affiliation might set the Nag Hammadi library against the Dead Sea Scrolls. A secularist might name the decipherment of the Mycenean and Hittite scripts, Manu Pichu, Tutank's treasure, etc. If you consider hominid finds to be "archaeology", I would say that that stuff trumps all the rest by a huge margin.
Mod parent up. If these fragments were truly the word of god, then surely they would contain useful information that would increase our knowledge of the world/universe and would remain true even today. Instead, we get re-worked fables plagiarized from other sources, tribal customs codified into law, doomsday prophecies, and rants against various enemies (all of which the old testament is full of).
[emphasis mine]
Your claim probably makes sense to a lot of people in modern industrialized societies, but actually depends on a lot of assumptions about what a god would want.
30% are copies of texts not canonized in the Hebrew Bible (i.e. fanfiction)
I don't think you can characterize ancient texts that way. Canonization is a complex "theopolitical" process, and what gets in and what is left out doesn't necessarily have much to do with its quality, or who wrote it, or when (unless of course it was written after the canonization process was complete.) It's mostly a matter of whether the influential people in the society that does the canonization think a document supports their views or conflicts with them.
Rather than reading fables, I would prefer to see some of the manuscripts from Leonardo Da Vinci. Now, that would be something interesting and worth spending my time with!
And I want to see The Illustrated Perils of Gwendolyn, but sometimes you have to take what you get.
I don't know a lot of religions where the sacred book is advertised as containing the literal word of God.
I don't know of a lot of religions, but I sure know a lot of people that believe that.
Hard to believe, but many, many people still believe the stories told in these documents are the literal word of God, rather than things that our Bronze Age ancestors cooked up to explain things they didn't understand and keep the population in line. Hopefully, at some future point, we will evolve beyond such fables and things like this will be an archeological curiosity, and nothing more.
Even harder to believe that an A/C passed up on an opportunity for a First Post for some mere boilerplate trolling.
The Scrolls are possibly the most important archaeological discovery of the 20th century.
Atlantis was discovered hundreds of times during the 20th Century. Surely that adds up to more than a single discovery of some scrolls.
On a serious note, I'm skeptical of the claim anyway. We discovered entire civilizations we never previously knew existed, and a great number of unknown texts, entire unknown languages and writing systems, etc.
Yes, evidence that backs up your idea is a good way to get a science grant, science grants have a proven track record of increasing our knowledge of the world around us.
Nowadays you HAVE to incorporate gas-influenced Climate Change into EVERYTHING you produce.Otherwise you risk losing your grant to a malleable researcher.
Yeah right because the 100+ nations that fund the IPCC all have exactly the same political agenda and every mainstream scientist, science journal and scientific institute on the planet has been bought of by an international system of grants that doesn't actually exist. Do you realize how fucking crazy paranoid you have to be to believe that, it's the same anti-science shit you hear from creationists, anti-vax'ers, and other groups of whacko's who don't like specific aspects of the natural world and choose to walk around with their head up their arse. Geology is the only tool we have to investigate past climate, get a grip on your paranoid delusions and go read a climate science text book, particularly the chapters on paleo-climatology.
Kinda like creationists claiming that you can't trust biologists because they're all in on an atheistic conspiracy to discredit religion.
The foundation of science denialism is disqualifying the actual experts from having an opinion on the topic.
If that's for real, they sound kind of ... inbred, or something.
I think the Westboro Church is a bunch of insensitive asshole douche bags, however I don't think the answer is to form hate groups against the hate groups.
Indeed, we should form a love group and welcome them with big hugs.
Men should welcome their men with hugs, and women their women...
Wait. This is vigilantism
It seems pretty clear that Anonymous sees themselves as vigilantes. They just don't seem to have a regular focus.
Also, I wonder if you could consider what WBC does to be a form of vigilantism.
how does it look different in the theater at 48fps vs normal 24fps movies?
Only half as long...
WWIII starting over a hacked Outlook account.
All your facebooks are belong to us....
In post-Soviet Russia, ... ah, screw it.
Classic framing/griefing. Obviously they should add "and they probably know all 4 of those people" to the evidence list. I guess they overlooked that little tidbit. Otherwise good luck tracking down proxies and Tor exit nodes cuz that info is as worthless as it gets when it comes to finding this person.
Surely not many people use a "Syberian" post office, or even know where to find one.
Remember this next time a creationist or global warming denier claims that scientists can't get published if they don't adhere to the party line.
Capitalism + Plutocracy is what he really means.
Government of the people, by the rich, for the richest.
All religions are "made up".
Surely you meant to say, all religions except mine are made up.
Is it not suspicious also that their main feature is a little stick that gets bigger when you hold onto it. Admittedly it is a kickass weapon, but the feminist within would prefer if there was a less masculine option
Surely the feminist within enjoys watching a couple of guys trying to hit each other with theirs.